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Vegas » 27 Jul 2023, 12:44 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2023, 12:44 pm

I addressed them. There was no indication that suggested those plane parts were at he pentagon.

Are you calling @golfboy  a liar?

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My brother was assigned cleanup outside the Pentagon.  He collected aircraft parts for the FAA. 
I don't care what anyone claims.  He was there.  It was a plane, not a missile. 

Rock » 27 Jul 2023, 2:09 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2023, 2:09 pm

Are you calling @golfboy  a liar?

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No. But perhaps his brother is. Where is the plane? 

The hole in the pentagon was 75 feet wide. The wingspan of a Boeing 757 is 125 ft. Where are the wings? At least some pieces of those would be laying around. 

Vegas » 27 Jul 2023, 5:41 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2023, 5:41 pm

No. But perhaps his brother is. Where is the plane? 

The hole in the pentagon was 75 feet wide. The wingspan of a Boeing 757 is 125 ft. Where are the wings? At least some pieces of those would be laying around.

That was strange.

Why that happened, was that plane (plus the two that hit the Twin Towers) were the largest cruise missiles ever successfully deployed.

A Tomahawk cruise missile weighs about as much as my Chrysler 300 full of fuel. 4,300 pounds.

A 757 can have a max take off weight of 255 THOUSAND pounds.

The energy of those 757s was incredible.

Let’s say 200,000 pounds at 300 miles an hour.

The wings disintegrated into atoms. By the way the Pentagon was reinforced  to stop ordinary cruise missiles, years ago.  It was a hard target, not a glass tower.
 
Can somebody clever with math calculate the foot pounds of energy?
 

Z09 » 27 Jul 2023, 6:05 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2023, 6:05 pm

You're assuming the plane crashed in a stationary position...

Have you asked yourself what happened to the plane that so many people saw only a few seconds earlier?

Why no testimony from witnesses claiming the plane flew away....?
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I already addressed that. Look...there is a very easy way to bury me on this issue. I am not asking for a lot. I am just asking to see some of the plane parts on that day. They have dozens and dozens of pics everywhere a few days after. There are pics that Kobia showed that pose no indication they were from the pentagon. But on that day, after the incident...where is the plane? 

Vegas » 27 Jul 2023, 6:09 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2023, 6:09 pm

I already addressed that. Look...there is a very easy way to bury me on this issue. I am not asking for a lot. I am just asking to see some of the plane parts on that day. They have dozens and dozens of pics everywhere a few days after. There are pics that Kobia showed that pose no indication they were from the pentagon. But on that day, after the incident...where is the plane?

The third plane weighed around 200,000 pounds flying at hundreds of miles an hour.

What happened to the fourth plane that nosed in the ground in Pennsylvania?

It’s in atoms, utterly destroyed, from energy hard to imagine.

 

golfboy » 26 Jul 2023, 8:58 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Jul 2023, 8:58 pm

My brother was assigned cleanup outside the Pentagon.  He collected aircraft parts for the FAA. 
I don't care what anyone claims.  He was there.  It was a plane, not a missile.

Aluminum airframes meeting reenforced concrete at high velocities don't leave much airframe... at least no big pieces of it.

I imagine the debris would manly be melted rivets, nuts and bolts and small shards of aluminum.

https://youtu.be/F4CX-9lkRMQ
 
 

Cui bono

who benefited.

Americans simply refuse to acknowledge

"blowback" to WASH DC hubris and arrogance.

RedheadedStranger » 27 Jul 2023, 8:02 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2023, 8:02 pm

Aluminum airframes meeting reenforced concrete at high velocities don't leave much airframe... at least no big pieces of it.

I imagine the debris would manly be melted rivets, nuts and bolts and small shards of aluminum.

https://youtu.be/F4CX-9lkRMQ

Wheel hubs, pieces of engine... there are a lot of parts that were collected. 
 

Blowback is a bitch.

The new 911 is the world

suddenly de-dollarizing.

And shifting East.

Vegas » 27 Jul 2023, 6:09 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2023, 6:09 pm

I already addressed that. Look...there is a very easy way to bury me on this issue. I am not asking for a lot. I am just asking to see some of the plane parts on that day. They have dozens and dozens of pics everywhere a few days after. There are pics that Kobia showed that pose no indication they were from the pentagon. But on that day, after the incident...where is the plane?

              This is getting silly now..... There is every indication these photos were taken Sept 12th and Sept 13th from both inside & outside the crash site at the Pentagon.... Look at the source again..

     https://rense.com/general32/phot.htm

          The Pictures are cataloged & sourced as to who took them, and where they were posted... Many were taken and posted by a named photographer --- Jocelyn Augustino, a freelance photographer working closely with FEMA Disaster Responses since 1995... Over the years her photographs have been published in numerous major News & Media Outlets. 
  
       https://www.fema.gov/blog/showing-our-s ... 0reservist.
 
          More were taken by VATF-1 Workers (Virginia Task Force 1) --- a Domestic & International Disaster Response Resource trained in the with expertise in the rescue of victims from collapsed structures, following a natural or man-made catastrophic event...  

https://www.vatf1.org/

         Others were taken by photographers from nearby Military Base (Army) Fort. Belvoir 

https://www.military.com/base-guide/fort-belvoir

       Despite the destructive fire that raged inside the impact area on 9/11, pieces of debris were visible on 9/13 and 9/14, and were photographed by recovery workers. These photos clearly show pieces of landing gears, a large turbofan engine, and fuselage. The evidence inside the building is consistent with the evidence of plane wreckage outside -- indicating that a commercial airliner flew into the Pentagon on September 11th
            
 

Osama Bin Laden...did 911 most think.

Trained/armed/funded by the CIA

in Afghanistan in the 80s.

Blowback is a bitch.

RedheadedStranger » 27 Jul 2023, 8:02 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2023, 8:02 pm

Aluminum airframes meeting reenforced concrete at high velocities don't leave much airframe... at least no big pieces of it.

I imagine the debris would manly be melted rivets, nuts and bolts and small shards of aluminum.

https://youtu.be/F4CX-9lkRMQ

         And that section of the Pentagon known as "Wedge 1" had recently had it's concrete & steel walls reinforced... The Inside Job theorists believe the hole in the Pentagon should have resembled something like a cookie cutout shape of the Plane... 

BLOWBACK BITCHES

Z09 » 27 Jul 2023, 11:42 am » wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2023, 11:42 am

The FBI agents that investigated the crash but you claim weren't real agents

I never claimed that, I said that the FBI agents that confiscated the footage of a cruise missile hitting the Pentagon from the gas station, the hotel and other places overlooking the Pentagon were probably fake... and you never explained how they could there 5 minutes after the (fake) crash..

So 87 people who made statements about the American Airlines plane are all lying??

lol.. you think repeating that over and over again makes you look less of a friggin idiot?

Jantje_Smit » 26 Jul 2023, 6:48 am » wrote: ↑

26 Jul 2023, 6:48 am

Nah, most of them are probably convinced they are telling the truth... they saw something hit the Pentagon, the headlines scream it was terrorists hijacking planes so that must have been what they saw, they embellished their story and told the media so they could get their 15 minutes of fame..

Some of them clearly just made it up though, that's one of them..

 

 
 


 
 

Kobia2 » 27 Jul 2023, 1:34 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2023, 1:34 pm

      1.  The source you provided was from Sept 13th 2001 ---2 days after the attack... That's awfully quick to make such a conclusion don't you agree?... Many were making all sorts of claims in the early days, which turned out to be erroneous -- some unintentionally, and others  were not so....  

Like the conclusion that a plane hit the Pentagon you mean?

I provided sources from experienced trained pilots who stated it did not require a high skill level to crash those passenger jets.. I did some searching and there are Pilots on both sides of this, but overwhelmingly most concur it was not impossible for Terrorist Hani Hanjour to accomplish such a maneuver... Witnesses also said along with seeing the Plane clip & knock down street lights -- the wings also tipped up & down a few times as it approached the Pentagon. 

I posted this picture before but I didn't get answer, these street lights seem to be fine, how come the plane managed to miss those?

2. I think you've boxed yourself into a very small corner, in that unless you are provided a clear picture of Flight 77 striking the Pentagon, burnt human remains, or tagged baggage from the Flight then it couldn't have been a Plane.......

Yet you can't prove the small cruise missile corner wrong..

    Where we differ is here is where I go with the preponderance of the evidence.. I provided a source why there might not have been a clear photo or slow-motion video of Flight && striking the Pentagon, you choose to disagree which is your right... Brushing all the witness and forensic evidence aside, it makes absolutely zero sense that a PLane on route to intentionally crash into the Pentagon would be made to seamlessly vanish -- and a Missile assume the same flight path to strike the same target...    

I told you why that (what your source said) is ****, there should have been clear pictures... I could go along with that if there were convincing pictures of the wreckage, the dead bodies of the passengers being removed from the crash site, broken streetlights.. etc. etc.. but you can't show any of those either.. and you (or anyone else) refuse to explain what is wrong with my arguments.. ok, I give you credit for trying to explain the missing pictures of a plane hitting the Pentagon but please try to explain this picture (the streetlights)...

   I do appreciate the civil debate 

It makes for a nice change.. I'm not used to it though so forgive me if I slip up from time to time..

 


 

RedheadedStranger » 27 Jul 2023, 8:02 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2023, 8:02 pm

Aluminum airframes meeting reenforced concrete at high velocities don't leave much airframe... at least no big pieces of it.

I imagine the debris would manly be melted rivets, nuts and bolts and small shards of aluminum.

https://youtu.be/F4CX-9lkRMQ

That's a cool video.. but a boeing 757 is a lot bigger than that fighter plane and the concrete walls of the Pentagon are a lot thinner (not to mention it has windows).. no way it would completely vaporize like that.. not to mention the engines, those are stainless steel..

Also, what comes to mind, if it was vaporized like that, how did they collect the bodies of the passengers and identify them?

@Z09  should know..

 


 
 

Jantje_Smit » 28 Jul 2023, 4:22 am » wrote: ↑

28 Jul 2023, 4:22 am

That's a cool video.. but a boeing 757 is a lot bigger than that fighter plane and the concrete walls of the Pentagon are a lot thinner (not to mention it has windows).. no way it would completely vaporize like that.. not to mention the engines, those are stainless steel..

Also, what comes to mind, if it was vaporized like that, how did they collect the bodies of the passengers and identify them?

@Z09  should know..

 

Here was a case of an irresistible force meeting an immovable object,,,,almost.

Let’s remember a few things.

The primary target was always the White House.  Osama bin Laden was evil, but no fool.  The fact our White House stands today is proof the primary mission failed.

The pilot was on his maiden and final flight.  The 9/11 Report explains how, the pilot could not look down from his cruising altitude and see any other distinct building except that big fat five sided Pentagon building.

757s cruise at six miles high.

He must have descended, probably circled looking for the White House, and had to know we were calling in the fighters on him.

The son of a bitch made a perfect approach to and hit the Pentagon.  His plane weighed over 200,000 pounds and he might have been running 500 miles an hour, but at least 300.

I wonder if he yelled Tora, Tora, Tora! .

 A four thousand pound cruise missile at similar speeds would have flatted out against the side of the building.
 

Bruce » 28 Jul 2023, 4:53 am » wrote: ↑

28 Jul 2023, 4:53 am

Here was a case of an irresistible force meeting an immovable object,,,,almost.

Let’s remember a few things.

The primary target was always the White House.  Osama bin Laden was evil, but no fool.  The fact our White House stands today is proof the primary mission failed.

The pilot was on his maiden and final flight.  The 9/11 Report explains how, the pilot could not look down from his cruising altitude and see any other distinct building except that big fat five sided Pentagon building.

757s cruise at six miles high.

He must have descended, probably circled looking for the White House, and had to know we were calling in the fighters on him.

The son of a bitch made a perfect approach to and hit the Pentagon.  His plane weighed over 200,000 pounds and he might have been running 500 miles an hour, but at least 300.

I wonder if he yelled Tora, Tora, Tora! .

 A four thousand pound cruise missile at similar speeds would have flatted out against the side of the building.
 

lol.. so Osama was no fool but he forgot how to tell his jihadi pilots how to find the white house?

And according to the official propaganda the white house was the target of flight 93

Oh, and a cruise missile has a warhead, it's made to explode, not flatten out...


 


 

Z09 » 28 Jul 2023, 5:10 am » wrote: ↑

28 Jul 2023, 5:10 am

You stated the FBI agents were fake agents..

And you wondered how they could get there so fast...

The FBI building is 3 miles from the Pentagon

3 miles through Washington DC in five minutes.. impressive.. assuming they ran outside immediately after the explosion, not having to find out what happened first or wait for orders.. and the first order of priority was to collect the security footage of buildings overlooking the Pentagon... some people..who aren't friggin idiots.. would find that a bit suspicious, good thing you don't have to worry about that...