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Vegas » 27 Jul 2023, 5:41 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2023, 5:41 pm

No. But perhaps his brother is. Where is the plane? 

The hole in the pentagon was 75 feet wide. The wingspan of a Boeing 757 is 125 ft. Where are the wings? At least some pieces of those would be laying around. 

You ever hear the thing called resistance? You ever figure that 25 feet of each wing wouldn't shear off going through concrete since that would be the least mass of the aircraft hitting the building perpendicularly.

Your social programmed mind will never operate like your personal brain navigating with 6 sense since conceived to mutually evolving in real time now.

Your mind only follows relative time facts and all those relative time facts are circumstantial statistical averages covering up life doesn't evolve beyond adapting to the moment here.

The actual original intellectual sin is never accepting the how and why you exist specifically here as a singularity of what, where, when, which, place, thing, person present.

I know you won't think about this because you already knew all about it. Promises made and secrets kept.

Z09 » 28 Jul 2023, 6:19 am » wrote: ↑

28 Jul 2023, 6:19 am

So the Agents were phony agents and now you just can't believe they got there so quickly...??

You had no idea the FBI building was so close...

So bingo!
You have a new excuse...

Tell us.You say the FBI agents were fake...
If the traffic was so bad how did they there so quickly??

When you stop playing point and counterpoint like the old SNL skit, you brain might start navigating space with your limited time of just adapting to the moment you have left here as one of a kind.

When does dawn stop happening on the surface of the planet same time as noon, dusk, mid night? Never has since positioned 3rd from this specific star.

You allowed yourself to become a career denier to fit into a village ideology trying to work a one world narrative ignoring now is eternity. That is the core of history of humanity started denying now is eternity. Notice that is done by choices made every generation gap into current events.

The common link in plain sight isn't missing anymore.

Sumela » 27 Jul 2023, 9:22 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2023, 9:22 pm

Osama Bin Laden...did 911 most think.

Trained/armed/funded by the CIA

in Afghanistan in the 80s.

Blowback is a bitch.

Everything is directly connected to things mutually evolving at the same time separating results eternally changing forward now. Your mind chooses to not navigate space in series parallel time displaced. Your brain does naturally.

so what persuaded you to give away your free will as a unique individual living as eternally separated in plain sight? The promise of rank above just another replacement occupying time now.

Z09 » 28 Jul 2023, 6:19 am » wrote: ↑

28 Jul 2023, 6:19 am

So the Agents were phony agents and now you just can't believe they got there so quickly...??

You had no idea the FBI building was so close...

So bingo!
You have a new excuse...

Tell us.You say the FBI agents were fake...
If the traffic was so bad how did they there so quickly??

Eh, wait... what???

An excuse for what, the fake FBI agents didn't come from the FBI building, they were already there, waiting for the missile to hit so they could collect the tapes..

It seems you get more clueless every day, don't you even read what I say.. oh never mind, I see where I went wrong, it's the sarcasm thingy.. I thought it was obvious but you just don't get it..

 
 

Z09 » 28 Jul 2023, 6:21 am » wrote: ↑

28 Jul 2023, 6:21 am

Hey...
Call a military base today and ask if they fired off a cruise missile would alot of people at the base see it?

Ok, I will try to skip the sarcasm.. lol.. and put it language you might understand.. this is a nice video (no need to watch it all, just the fun parts).. a test firing of a cruise missile.. lots of people see it.. at 3:00.. now, how many of those people would know if it was going somewhere else than they were told?  Would a missile be reported missing when that ship returned to port?


 
https://youtu.be/TYQWb6cYTL8

Did GW Bush issue a stand down thus no fighter jets intercepted the big planes?

The bin Laden family happened to be in the USA at the time THEN were allowed to fly out of the USA no
matter that all other flights in the USA were grounded???????

Why did GW Bush ignore the warnings coming from his National Security people and the Military?

Can anyone explain? Was he too dumb for the job .......?

Traitor? Matter of opinion.........

The first war aim is moot because Iraq had no WMD .................
https://apjjf.org/-William-E.-Odom/2335/article.html

Z09 » 28 Jul 2023, 7:17 am » wrote: ↑

28 Jul 2023, 7:17 am

So the fake FBI agents were already there? 

Yes, it took a while but you finally seem to be getting the idea..

And when the REAL FBI agents showed up nobody noticed a bunch of fake people pretending to be agents?

Why would anyone notice, it doesn't take that long to conficate a few tapes, they were probably long gone before the real ones showed up.. and it's not like the real agents would go around asking people if they had seen any fake agents...

And tell us...
You say a cruise misisle was shot from 1000 miles away....
That means a missile would be in the air for almost 2 hours before the Pentagon was hit..
....and nobody saw it...??
On a morning that we were under attack no one saw a cruise missile in the iar pointed at DC for 2 hours?

No, I told you it could have been shot from a 1,000 miles away.. the ocean is only a 100 miles away from the Pentagon, no need for it to be two hours.. and even if it was further away, it was flying across the ocean, no one to see it... look at that video again, when the missile is launched and the smoke trail is gone, you can hardly see it, even when you know it is there...

 

 
 

Z09 » 28 Jul 2023, 7:51 am » wrote: ↑

28 Jul 2023, 7:51 am

So now you've shifted...
It might not be 1000 miles...
WTF?

I'm not the shify one, if you took the trouble of actually reading my posts instead of just twisting my words you might appear less of a friggin idiot...

Jantje_Smit » 23 Jul 2023, 10:17 am » wrote: ↑

23 Jul 2023, 10:17 am

Who the **** cares, those cruise missiles have a range of a 1,000 miles, it could have come from anywhere, probably from a submarine if that makes you happy..

On the other hand..

Show us some evidence rather than your imagination....

Nah, it's not worth the effort..

 


 
 
 

razoo » 28 Jul 2023, 7:20 am » wrote: ↑

28 Jul 2023, 7:20 am

Did GW Bush issue a stand down thus no fighter jets intercepted the big planes?

The bin Laden family happened to be in the USA at the time THEN were allowed to fly out of the USA no
matter that all other flights in the USA were grounded???????

Why did GW Bush ignore the warnings coming from his National Security people and the Military?

Can anyone explain? Was he too dumb for the job .......?

Traitor? Matter of opinion.........

The first war aim is moot because Iraq had no WMD .................
https://apjjf.org/-William-E.-Odom/2335/article.html

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Jantje_Smit » 28 Jul 2023, 5:32 am » wrote: ↑

28 Jul 2023, 5:32 am

lol.. so Osama was no fool but he forgot how to tell his jihadi pilots how to find the white house?

And according to the official propaganda the white house was the target of flight 93

Oh, and a cruise missile has a warhead, it's made to explode, not flatten out...

This is from memory, but the report covered it well:

Some raghead, went  up to Osama and had  grand plan to highjack dozens of airliners and the raghead would land his in the middle of the USA and read out ransom demands.  Otherwise the airplanes would crash into buildings, if the ransom demands were not met.

And Osama says to him, very good, but first you make a plan to hijack just one plane and you crash that one plane into the White House.

The plan grew from there.  Then they added a back up plane for the White House.  After that, Osama had four planes, and you and I might have targeted the Empire State Building or the Capitol, but we aren’t rag heads.

They used the two spare planes to kill lots of Jews in the World Trade Center.

All this was supposed to happen nearly at the same time.

Two planes hit one tower each.  That part went off perfect.  They could see the towers.  Boom, first tower. Then later Boom, second tower.

 It the other planes, both targeted at the White House, were delayed on take off.  And when they got up 93’s crew must have got a little cold feet, they waited way too long.

But the rag beads had only seen those big pictures of the White House we all see on television.

From 30,000 feet the White House is a speck surrounded by trees.

They had radios. They knew the clans were gathering.

So let’s give an enemy some credit.

He lined up on that huge five sided Pentagon across the Hudson and nailed it, perfectly, at over 300 miles an hour.

His first and last try.

 

Jantje_Smit » 28 Jul 2023, 2:52 am » wrote: ↑

28 Jul 2023, 2:52 am

I posted this picture before but I didn't get answer, these street lights seem to be fine, how come the plane managed to miss those?

Good point. I never thought about that. Not to mention that just outside the hole, not in this pic, the grass is not scorched. 

Jantje_Smit » 28 Jul 2023, 4:22 am » wrote: ↑

28 Jul 2023, 4:22 am

Also, what comes to mind, if it was vaporized like that, how did they collect the bodies of the passengers and identify them?

@Z09  should know..

 


 

Another good point. Everything was vaporized except human tissue...they were a little burned, but still identifiable.     
 

Jantje_Smit » 28 Jul 2023, 5:32 am » wrote: ↑

28 Jul 2023, 5:32 am

lol.. so Osama was no fool but he forgot how to tell his jihadi pilots how to find the white house?

And according to the official propaganda the white house was the target of flight 93

Oh, and a cruise missile has a warhead, it's made to explode, not flatten out...

         Not sure how you concluded the Hijackers of Flight 93 got lost, or couldn't find the Capitol... The Plane took off from Newark New Jersey with its destination being San Francisco..... The Hijackers changed the Plane's course and were in fact en route towards the Capitol, most likely to hit the White House....

        They came up 125 Flight Miles (which is about 18 minutes) short of their target --- the reason being because the passengers & crew fought to breach the cockpit and take back control of Flight 93.... Keep in mind, by the time Flight 93 was Hijacked, the Twin WTC Towers had already been hit... When passengers & crew called family & authorities on the ground to tell them of the Hijacking of the Plane they were on,  they learned of the 2  other Hijacked Passenger Jets being flown into the Twin Towers, were told of the gravenes of their situation, and that they had to fight to survive...  Flight 93 went down as this struggle waged..   

      
        This is from the Friends of Flight 93 National Memorial Website.. 
        
https://www.flight93friends.org/flight- ... ved%20ones.

        Flight 93 did not arrive at the hijackers' intended target - the Nation's Capital - because of the selfless and courageous actions of the 40 passenger and crew members on board. When Flight 93 was hijacked, the passengers and crew members used airfones on the plane to contact the authorities and their loved ones.

       A total of 13 passengers made 37 phone calls. Through their phone conversations, they learned of the first two attacks, and subsequently took quick action. Pushed to the back of the plane by hijackers, the passengers and crew took a vote – and decided to fight back to try and regain control of their airplane. As a result of phone calls made from on board Flight 93 and from the cockpit voice recorder recovered at the crash site, we learn of the struggle the passengers and crew members had with their hijackers which began in the skies over Western Pennsylvania, and ended with the high-speed crash of the plane in a reclaimed strip mine near Shanksville, just 18 minutes flying time from Washington, DC. Countless lives were spared thanks to their heroic actions, but all on board Flight 93 were lost.
 
 
 

Vegas » 22 Jul 2023, 12:05 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Jul 2023, 12:05 pm

I have started many threads about this...well, here is another one. 

Pentagon: Where is the **** plane? 
Building 7: What the **** caused that collapse? It wasn't hit. And building fires don't cause a straight down collapse...they just  burn.
Twin Towers: Engineers have repeatedly said that the impacts of the plane and jet fuel could not take down those towers, especially straight down like that. 
Amateur pilots: How the hell can 19 rag heads, with barely any flight experience, fly those gigantic planes with such precision?

22 years ago I would have said that the 9-11 conspiracy crowd was mostly nuts... but given the **** that I have seen over the last 5 or 6 years, I now don't put anything passed these evil sonsabitches.

I now tend to believe that while 19 Muslims did indeed fly those airplanes into those buildings that day, I'm also inclined to believe that it wasn't only allowed to happen, but facilitated by entities associated with our own Government.

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Z09 » 28 Jul 2023, 7:25 am » wrote: ↑

28 Jul 2023, 7:25 am

We were attacked numerous times while Clinton was president.....

9/11 was an inside job. Change my mind.   Isn't thread about 9/11?

meanwhile as the trumpets, fascists and Bush lovers make up stories aka fairy tales what about:

Did GW Bush issue a stand down thus no fighter jets intercepted the big planes?

The bin Laden family happened to be in the USA at the time THEN were allowed to fly out of the USA no
matter that all other flights in the USA were grounded???????

Why did GW Bush ignore the warnings coming from his National Security people and the Military?

Can anyone explain? Was he too dumb for the job .......?

Traitor? Matter of opinion.........

The first war aim is moot because Iraq had no WMD's .................
https://apjjf.org/-William-E.-Odom/2335/article.html
 

razoo » 28 Jul 2023, 6:58 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Jul 2023, 6:58 pm

9/11 was an inside job. Change my mind.   Isn't thread about 9/11?

           I believe the 1993 World Trade Center bombing is part of the 9/11 debate,  because it was the same target perpetrated by the same Terrorist organization... Too many people foolishly dismiss the significance of the 1993 attack, because the result did not match the intent... 
           But 1 difference is no one cried inside job in 1993... 
 

Why did the CIA

arm/train Osama Bin Laden?

Will WASH DC

ever learn about

arrogance, hubris, blowback?

All Empires crumble