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Jantje_Smit » 28 Jul 2023, 5:32 am » wrote: ↑

28 Jul 2023, 5:32 am

lol.. so Osama was no fool but he forgot how to tell his jihadi pilots how to find the white house?

And according to the official propaganda the white house was the target of flight 93

Oh, and a cruise missile has a warhead, it's made to explode, not flatten out...

This is from memory, but the report covered it well:

Some raghead, went  up to Osama and had  grand plan to highjack dozens of airliners and the raghead would land his in the middle of the USA and read out ransom demands.  Otherwise the airplanes would crash into buildings, if the ransom demands were not met.

And Osama says to him, very good, but first you make a plan to hijack just one plane and you crash that one plane into the White House.

The plan grew from there.  Then they added a back up plane for the White House.  After that, Osama had four planes, and you and I might have targeted the Empire State Building or the Capitol, but we aren’t rag heads.

They used the two spare planes to kill lots of Jews in the World Trade Center.

All this was supposed to happen nearly at the same time.

Two planes hit one tower each.  That part went off perfect.  They could see the towers.  Boom, first tower. Then later Boom, second tower.

 It the other planes, both targeted at the White House, were delayed on take off.  And when they got up 93’s crew must have got a little cold feet, they waited way too long.

But the rag beads had only seen those big pictures of the White House we all see on television.

From 30,000 feet the White House is a speck surrounded by trees.

They had radios. They knew the clans were gathering.

So let’s give an enemy some credit.

He lined up on that huge five sided Pentagon across the Hudson and nailed it, perfectly, at over 300 miles an hour.

His first and last try.

 

Jantje_Smit » 28 Jul 2023, 2:52 am » wrote: ↑

28 Jul 2023, 2:52 am

I posted this picture before but I didn't get answer, these street lights seem to be fine, how come the plane managed to miss those?

Good point. I never thought about that. Not to mention that just outside the hole, not in this pic, the grass is not scorched. 

Jantje_Smit » 28 Jul 2023, 4:22 am » wrote: ↑

28 Jul 2023, 4:22 am

Also, what comes to mind, if it was vaporized like that, how did they collect the bodies of the passengers and identify them?

@Z09  should know..

 


 

Another good point. Everything was vaporized except human tissue...they were a little burned, but still identifiable.     
 

Jantje_Smit » 28 Jul 2023, 5:32 am » wrote: ↑

28 Jul 2023, 5:32 am

lol.. so Osama was no fool but he forgot how to tell his jihadi pilots how to find the white house?

And according to the official propaganda the white house was the target of flight 93

Oh, and a cruise missile has a warhead, it's made to explode, not flatten out...

         Not sure how you concluded the Hijackers of Flight 93 got lost, or couldn't find the Capitol... The Plane took off from Newark New Jersey with its destination being San Francisco..... The Hijackers changed the Plane's course and were in fact en route towards the Capitol, most likely to hit the White House....

        They came up 125 Flight Miles (which is about 18 minutes) short of their target --- the reason being because the passengers & crew fought to breach the cockpit and take back control of Flight 93.... Keep in mind, by the time Flight 93 was Hijacked, the Twin WTC Towers had already been hit... When passengers & crew called family & authorities on the ground to tell them of the Hijacking of the Plane they were on,  they learned of the 2  other Hijacked Passenger Jets being flown into the Twin Towers, were told of the gravenes of their situation, and that they had to fight to survive...  Flight 93 went down as this struggle waged..   

      
        This is from the Friends of Flight 93 National Memorial Website.. 
        
https://www.flight93friends.org/flight- ... ved%20ones.

        Flight 93 did not arrive at the hijackers' intended target - the Nation's Capital - because of the selfless and courageous actions of the 40 passenger and crew members on board. When Flight 93 was hijacked, the passengers and crew members used airfones on the plane to contact the authorities and their loved ones.

       A total of 13 passengers made 37 phone calls. Through their phone conversations, they learned of the first two attacks, and subsequently took quick action. Pushed to the back of the plane by hijackers, the passengers and crew took a vote – and decided to fight back to try and regain control of their airplane. As a result of phone calls made from on board Flight 93 and from the cockpit voice recorder recovered at the crash site, we learn of the struggle the passengers and crew members had with their hijackers which began in the skies over Western Pennsylvania, and ended with the high-speed crash of the plane in a reclaimed strip mine near Shanksville, just 18 minutes flying time from Washington, DC. Countless lives were spared thanks to their heroic actions, but all on board Flight 93 were lost.
 
 
 

Vegas » 22 Jul 2023, 12:05 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Jul 2023, 12:05 pm

I have started many threads about this...well, here is another one. 

Pentagon: Where is the **** plane? 
Building 7: What the **** caused that collapse? It wasn't hit. And building fires don't cause a straight down collapse...they just  burn.
Twin Towers: Engineers have repeatedly said that the impacts of the plane and jet fuel could not take down those towers, especially straight down like that. 
Amateur pilots: How the hell can 19 rag heads, with barely any flight experience, fly those gigantic planes with such precision?

22 years ago I would have said that the 9-11 conspiracy crowd was mostly nuts... but given the **** that I have seen over the last 5 or 6 years, I now don't put anything passed these evil sonsabitches.

I now tend to believe that while 19 Muslims did indeed fly those airplanes into those buildings that day, I'm also inclined to believe that it wasn't only allowed to happen, but facilitated by entities associated with our own Government.

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Z09 » 28 Jul 2023, 7:25 am » wrote: ↑

28 Jul 2023, 7:25 am

We were attacked numerous times while Clinton was president.....

9/11 was an inside job. Change my mind.   Isn't thread about 9/11?

meanwhile as the trumpets, fascists and Bush lovers make up stories aka fairy tales what about:

Did GW Bush issue a stand down thus no fighter jets intercepted the big planes?

The bin Laden family happened to be in the USA at the time THEN were allowed to fly out of the USA no
matter that all other flights in the USA were grounded???????

Why did GW Bush ignore the warnings coming from his National Security people and the Military?

Can anyone explain? Was he too dumb for the job .......?

Traitor? Matter of opinion.........

The first war aim is moot because Iraq had no WMD's .................
https://apjjf.org/-William-E.-Odom/2335/article.html
 

razoo » 28 Jul 2023, 6:58 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Jul 2023, 6:58 pm

9/11 was an inside job. Change my mind.   Isn't thread about 9/11?

           I believe the 1993 World Trade Center bombing is part of the 9/11 debate,  because it was the same target perpetrated by the same Terrorist organization... Too many people foolishly dismiss the significance of the 1993 attack, because the result did not match the intent... 
           But 1 difference is no one cried inside job in 1993... 
 

Why did the CIA

arm/train Osama Bin Laden?

Will WASH DC

ever learn about

arrogance, hubris, blowback?

All Empires crumble

Z09 » 28 Jul 2023, 6:31 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Jul 2023, 6:31 pm

Ever hear of DNA?
Remains were brought to Dover Base

By the way...
What happened to the plane if it was a missile?
Something that nobody wants to explain

What remains? If the plane was vaporized to atoms, then what chances did people have to have any remains? 

Why would the government tell us where the plane is if they were in on it? That would defeat the whole purpose.

RedheadedStranger » 28 Jul 2023, 6:12 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Jul 2023, 6:12 pm

22 years ago I would have said that the 9-11 conspiracy crowd was mostly nuts... but given the **** that I have seen over the last 5 or 6 years, I now don't put anything passed these evil sonsabitches.

I now tend to believe that while 19 Muslims did indeed fly those airplanes into those buildings that day, I'm also inclined to believe that it wasn't only allowed to happen, but facilitated by entities associated with our own Government.

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Americans need to come to terms with the fact that the US government has no problem killing us if they want to.

razoo » 28 Jul 2023, 7:02 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Jul 2023, 7:02 pm

meanwhile as the trumpets, fascists and Bush lovers make up stories aka fairy tales what about:

Did GW Bush issue a stand down thus no fighter jets intercepted the big planes?

The bin Laden family happened to be in the USA at the time THEN were allowed to fly out of the USA no
matter that all other flights in the USA were grounded???????

Why did GW Bush ignore the warnings coming from his National Security people and the Military?

Can anyone explain? Was he too dumb for the job .......?

Traitor? Matter of opinion.........

The first war aim is moot because Iraq had no WMD's .................
https://apjjf.org/-William-E.-Odom/2335/article.html

Clear your mind.  Go back to 9/11.  

It’s not happened yet.  

Bush got up, ****, showered and shaved.  He’s human .

He ate breakfast.

He was guarded by good, well raised Christian boys, two or three.  Best security in all the world, the finest, all hand picked.  Loyal to the Master. Bush is as safe as safe can be made safe.

Bush is not some modern day MAGA maggot. He’s talking in Sarasota Florida to black school children, with a crackerjack school teacher.

Watch:

https://youtu.be/KBQEy6zs0mg

The systems were in place.

It was too late for Bush to do anything except go, go, go with his Secret Service on that **** plane!

Get him in the air!  Get him in the air,  was the mission.


And they did.  

Now, how could Bush, have been a traitor?

For over one year, the Secret Service had babysat him.


Those Secret Service agents are not potted plants.

They have trained since their cradles to protect all of His sheep, not just the President.









 

some of us will have to agree to disagree .........

How did three planes go off course without fighter planes in the air investigating?

Here’s one more overrated president to consider: George W. Bush. Yes, generally speaking, Bush is considered an awful president. My argument is that he was worse than we remember. There’s the Iraq War and all its accompanying disasters (torture, undermining civil liberties, mishandling Afghanistan). 

Not only did he not confront climate change, his policies arguably made it worse. His job creation record is one of the worst in modern history, and that’s almost separate from the fact that he sat by idly as the global economy fell apart in 2008.

He’s so unpopular that even his own party acts as though he was never actually president. 

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opi ... -rcna71216

The first war aim is moot because Iraq had no WMD's .................
https://apjjf.org/-William-E.-Odom/2335/article.html

He could have issued a stand down long before presenting himself in a classroom...... how could any of us know otherwise.
 
 
 

razoo » 28 Jul 2023, 10:45 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Jul 2023, 10:45 pm

some of us will have to agree to disagree .........

How did three planes go off course without fighter planes in the air investigating?

Easy answer.

That morning there were many thousands of commercial jetliners flying.  Thousands.

The entire Eastern seaboard fighter guard, all of it, was two jet fighters.

Now, once again, clear your mind.

You are a fighter pilot, ordered to scramble.

https://youtu.be/zSvYxH6gqMc

There was no system in place to shoot down civilian airliners, that morning.

Our two jets went on afterburner out over the Atlantic, as they’d been drilled, looking for Russian cruise missiles.

razoo » 28 Jul 2023, 10:52 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Jul 2023, 10:52 pm

Here’s one more overrated president to consider: George W. Bush. Yes, generally speaking, Bush is considered an awful president. My argument is that he was worse than we remember. There’s the Iraq War and all its accompanying disasters (torture, undermining civil liberties, mishandling Afghanistan). 

Not only did he not confront climate change, his policies arguably made it worse. His job creation record is one of the worst in modern history, and that’s almost separate from the fact that he sat by idly as the global economy fell apart in 2008.

He’s so unpopular that even his own party acts as though he was never actually president. 

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opi ... -rcna71216

The first war aim is moot because Iraq had no WMD's .................
https://apjjf.org/-William-E.-Odom/2335/article.html

He could have issued a stand down long before presenting himself in a classroom...... how could any of us know otherwise.

Yes Shrub was kind of a slow motion disaster.

But, clear all that out, sweep your mind clean.

Bush’s Secret Service was magnificent!

They put that laddie on Air Force One and got him above the clouds.  System worked, as planned.

Now, meanwhile at the White House, evil water board master Dick Cheney has not long to live.  Osama has targeted the White House, and Dick is in it.

By then Flight 93 was on radar, coming in hot, straight towards the White House.

Chevey did not hesitate, he turned those two jets out over the Atlantic around.

To this day the Air Force claims they would have intercepted 93 if the passengers hadn’t caused the rag heads to crash it.

Z09 » 28 Jul 2023, 10:35 am » wrote: ↑

28 Jul 2023, 10:35 am

Yes you have shifted...

So a cruise missile from 1000 miles away was fired at the Pentagon..
They would have to fire it 2 hours before the hijackings....

Ok, I guess that was bit too cryptic for you, clueless.. maybe it will help if I explain it.. lol.. if a cruise missile has a range of a 1,000 miles that doesn't mean it has to be fired from a 1,000 miles away, it could be from anywhere within that range.. I know it's a difficult concept but if you try real hard maybe.. just maybe.. it will dawn..

And no one saw this ?
And even while we were under attack no one saw a cruise missile....
Norad?
Air Traffic Controllers?

And when asked what happened to the plane you suggested Area 51?
So as we were under attack an American Airlines jet flew across country and no one saw it?

And then you claim the FBI agents were phonies?
And the people that claimed they saw an American Airlines plane close to the ground a few moments before the crash are "lying" and wanted their "15 minutes of fame"...?

Suppose you tell us how plane parts got to the Pentagon?
Suppose you tell us how dead bodies from the plane ended up at the Pentagon?

I assume your gonna say that a truck drove around dropping off dead bodies TO the Pentagon and not AWAY ?

As for your other 10 question marks, go read my previous answers again and come up with something better than your broken record....

Manhattan Reichstag Fire Apprentice..

ok, I stole that (credits to Rhiney), but it is a good one..

 



 
 

Bruce » 28 Jul 2023, 4:16 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Jul 2023, 4:16 pm

So let’s give an enemy some credit. 

Oh, but I'm giving them credit, they are (were) a bunch of sick psychopaths but they managed to pull off the biggest false flag in history and actually create the new Pearl Harbor they wished for and make all their dreams come true.. ok, they made a few screwups but that doesn't really matter when you have a propaganda system Goebbels could only dream about.. Manhattan Reichstag Fire is not just funny, it's also very true...

Another fun fact about that credit.. Osama never claimed credit for 9/11.. now why would that be, he was a modest guy who didn't like to brag?