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Z09 » 28 Jul 2023, 6:31 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Jul 2023, 6:31 pm

Ever hear of DNA?
Remains were brought to Dover Base

By the way...
What happened to the plane if it was a missile?
Something that nobody wants to explain

What remains? If the plane was vaporized to atoms, then what chances did people have to have any remains? 

Why would the government tell us where the plane is if they were in on it? That would defeat the whole purpose.

RedheadedStranger » 28 Jul 2023, 6:12 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Jul 2023, 6:12 pm

22 years ago I would have said that the 9-11 conspiracy crowd was mostly nuts... but given the **** that I have seen over the last 5 or 6 years, I now don't put anything passed these evil sonsabitches.

I now tend to believe that while 19 Muslims did indeed fly those airplanes into those buildings that day, I'm also inclined to believe that it wasn't only allowed to happen, but facilitated by entities associated with our own Government.

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Americans need to come to terms with the fact that the US government has no problem killing us if they want to.

razoo » 28 Jul 2023, 7:02 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Jul 2023, 7:02 pm

meanwhile as the trumpets, fascists and Bush lovers make up stories aka fairy tales what about:

Did GW Bush issue a stand down thus no fighter jets intercepted the big planes?

The bin Laden family happened to be in the USA at the time THEN were allowed to fly out of the USA no
matter that all other flights in the USA were grounded???????

Why did GW Bush ignore the warnings coming from his National Security people and the Military?

Can anyone explain? Was he too dumb for the job .......?

Traitor? Matter of opinion.........

The first war aim is moot because Iraq had no WMD's .................
https://apjjf.org/-William-E.-Odom/2335/article.html

Clear your mind.  Go back to 9/11.  

It’s not happened yet.  

Bush got up, ****, showered and shaved.  He’s human .

He ate breakfast.

He was guarded by good, well raised Christian boys, two or three.  Best security in all the world, the finest, all hand picked.  Loyal to the Master. Bush is as safe as safe can be made safe.

Bush is not some modern day MAGA maggot. He’s talking in Sarasota Florida to black school children, with a crackerjack school teacher.

Watch:

https://youtu.be/KBQEy6zs0mg

The systems were in place.

It was too late for Bush to do anything except go, go, go with his Secret Service on that **** plane!

Get him in the air!  Get him in the air,  was the mission.


And they did.  

Now, how could Bush, have been a traitor?

For over one year, the Secret Service had babysat him.


Those Secret Service agents are not potted plants.

They have trained since their cradles to protect all of His sheep, not just the President.









 

some of us will have to agree to disagree .........

How did three planes go off course without fighter planes in the air investigating?

Here’s one more overrated president to consider: George W. Bush. Yes, generally speaking, Bush is considered an awful president. My argument is that he was worse than we remember. There’s the Iraq War and all its accompanying disasters (torture, undermining civil liberties, mishandling Afghanistan). 

Not only did he not confront climate change, his policies arguably made it worse. His job creation record is one of the worst in modern history, and that’s almost separate from the fact that he sat by idly as the global economy fell apart in 2008.

He’s so unpopular that even his own party acts as though he was never actually president. 

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opi ... -rcna71216

The first war aim is moot because Iraq had no WMD's .................
https://apjjf.org/-William-E.-Odom/2335/article.html

He could have issued a stand down long before presenting himself in a classroom...... how could any of us know otherwise.
 
 
 

razoo » 28 Jul 2023, 10:45 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Jul 2023, 10:45 pm

some of us will have to agree to disagree .........

How did three planes go off course without fighter planes in the air investigating?

Easy answer.

That morning there were many thousands of commercial jetliners flying.  Thousands.

The entire Eastern seaboard fighter guard, all of it, was two jet fighters.

Now, once again, clear your mind.

You are a fighter pilot, ordered to scramble.

https://youtu.be/zSvYxH6gqMc

There was no system in place to shoot down civilian airliners, that morning.

Our two jets went on afterburner out over the Atlantic, as they’d been drilled, looking for Russian cruise missiles.

razoo » 28 Jul 2023, 10:52 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Jul 2023, 10:52 pm

Here’s one more overrated president to consider: George W. Bush. Yes, generally speaking, Bush is considered an awful president. My argument is that he was worse than we remember. There’s the Iraq War and all its accompanying disasters (torture, undermining civil liberties, mishandling Afghanistan). 

Not only did he not confront climate change, his policies arguably made it worse. His job creation record is one of the worst in modern history, and that’s almost separate from the fact that he sat by idly as the global economy fell apart in 2008.

He’s so unpopular that even his own party acts as though he was never actually president. 

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opi ... -rcna71216

The first war aim is moot because Iraq had no WMD's .................
https://apjjf.org/-William-E.-Odom/2335/article.html

He could have issued a stand down long before presenting himself in a classroom...... how could any of us know otherwise.

Yes Shrub was kind of a slow motion disaster.

But, clear all that out, sweep your mind clean.

Bush’s Secret Service was magnificent!

They put that laddie on Air Force One and got him above the clouds.  System worked, as planned.

Now, meanwhile at the White House, evil water board master Dick Cheney has not long to live.  Osama has targeted the White House, and Dick is in it.

By then Flight 93 was on radar, coming in hot, straight towards the White House.

Chevey did not hesitate, he turned those two jets out over the Atlantic around.

To this day the Air Force claims they would have intercepted 93 if the passengers hadn’t caused the rag heads to crash it.

Z09 » 28 Jul 2023, 10:35 am » wrote: ↑

28 Jul 2023, 10:35 am

Yes you have shifted...

So a cruise missile from 1000 miles away was fired at the Pentagon..
They would have to fire it 2 hours before the hijackings....

Ok, I guess that was bit too cryptic for you, clueless.. maybe it will help if I explain it.. lol.. if a cruise missile has a range of a 1,000 miles that doesn't mean it has to be fired from a 1,000 miles away, it could be from anywhere within that range.. I know it's a difficult concept but if you try real hard maybe.. just maybe.. it will dawn..

And no one saw this ?
And even while we were under attack no one saw a cruise missile....
Norad?
Air Traffic Controllers?

And when asked what happened to the plane you suggested Area 51?
So as we were under attack an American Airlines jet flew across country and no one saw it?

And then you claim the FBI agents were phonies?
And the people that claimed they saw an American Airlines plane close to the ground a few moments before the crash are "lying" and wanted their "15 minutes of fame"...?

Suppose you tell us how plane parts got to the Pentagon?
Suppose you tell us how dead bodies from the plane ended up at the Pentagon?

I assume your gonna say that a truck drove around dropping off dead bodies TO the Pentagon and not AWAY ?

As for your other 10 question marks, go read my previous answers again and come up with something better than your broken record....

Manhattan Reichstag Fire Apprentice..

ok, I stole that (credits to Rhiney), but it is a good one..

 



 
 

Bruce » 28 Jul 2023, 4:16 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Jul 2023, 4:16 pm

So let’s give an enemy some credit. 

Oh, but I'm giving them credit, they are (were) a bunch of sick psychopaths but they managed to pull off the biggest false flag in history and actually create the new Pearl Harbor they wished for and make all their dreams come true.. ok, they made a few screwups but that doesn't really matter when you have a propaganda system Goebbels could only dream about.. Manhattan Reichstag Fire is not just funny, it's also very true...

Another fun fact about that credit.. Osama never claimed credit for 9/11.. now why would that be, he was a modest guy who didn't like to brag?

 
 
 

Vegas » 28 Jul 2023, 5:46 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Jul 2023, 5:46 pm

Good point. I never thought about that. Not to mention that just outside the hole, not in this pic, the grass is not scorched.

I have a lot of good points, unlike the 9/11 conpiracy deniers, they refuse to follow the science.. lol.. you can point out embarrassing facts to them that undermine their entire narrative but they will simply ignore it and pretend it never happened.. like those streetlights.. I'n not expecting an answer but it's fun to see them try to weasel their way out of it and make them look like friggin idiots...


 
 
 

Kobia2 » 28 Jul 2023, 6:10 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Jul 2023, 6:10 pm

         Not sure how you concluded the Hijackers of Flight 93 got lost, or couldn't find the Capitol... The Plane took off from Newark New Jersey with its destination being San Francisco..... The Hijackers changed the Plane's course and were in fact en route towards the Capitol, most likely to hit the White House....  

You will have to take that up with disabled Bruce, I concluded nothing, he is the one that claims the hijackers couldn't find the white house so they hit the Pentagon instead..

But about those streetlights.. I know you won't answer the question but it's fun to remind you.. in a civil way..

 

Z09 » 29 Jul 2023, 5:43 am » wrote: ↑

29 Jul 2023, 5:43 am

You don't see street lights knocked over..
 

But you do.. even with the picture right in front of you..

What happened to the plane that almost 100 people say they saw moments before the crash?

That would be those same witnesses that said they saw it knock over streetlights.. were they all lying?

Simple question..
Why do you avoid it?

lol.. I told you many times but it just doesn't register, I wasn't involved in the planning, the deep state didn't tell me where the plane went, I can make a guess but it also doesn't matter, I simply don't give a ****.. but I will give it a go when you tell me why those streetlights are still standing..


 


 

Z09 » 29 Jul 2023, 6:39 am » wrote: ↑

29 Jul 2023, 6:39 am

Just because you see some standing streetlights in the photos it doesn't mean there's others that weren't knocked over...

What others, those streetlights are right in front of the hole in the Pentagon, how did the plane miss them?

It's not a problem for a cruise missile though..

Well then
Where' the plane?

I knew I wouldn't have to make an effort..

Jantje_Smit » 29 Jul 2023, 6:22 am » wrote: ↑

29 Jul 2023, 6:22 am

.. but I will give it a go when you tell me why those streetlights are still standing..

See @Taipan  , I wasn't kidding..

 



 
 

Vegas » 28 Jul 2023, 5:46 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Jul 2023, 5:46 pm

Good point. I never thought about that. Not to mention that just outside the hole, not in this pic, the grass is not scorched. 

You watching which way the wind is blowing?

Not to mention the fuel tanks are closer to the center of the plane than on ends of the wing so the fuel when into the building.

Jantje_Smit » 29 Jul 2023, 5:55 am » wrote: ↑

29 Jul 2023, 5:55 am

You will have to take that up with disabled Bruce, I concluded nothing, he is the one that claims the hijackers couldn't find the white house so they hit the Pentagon instead..

But about those streetlights.. I know you won't answer the question but it's fun to remind you.. in a civil way..

 

      Mind telling us the source this Pic came from?..... The angle is very deceptive.
Here's an aerial photos of the Pentagon The cluster of street lights in your photo are actually far to the right in reality... The Plane hit the Building in a straight dead-on path --- not on a sharp angle where it would have struck those Lights which are clearly far of that path... LOL


        

      
            
                      
 

Kobia2 » 29 Jul 2023, 7:18 am » wrote: ↑

29 Jul 2023, 7:18 am

      Mind telling us the source this Pic came from?..... The angle is very deceptive.
Here's an aerial photos of the Pentagon The cluster of street lights in your photo are actually far to the right in reality... The Plane hit the Building in a straight dead-on path --- not on a sharp angle where it would have struck those Lights which are clearly far of that path... LOL


        

      
            
                      
 

Say the plane is flying 300 mph minimum. How many feet per second is that moving? 88' per second each 60 mph. over 400' per second. Those 85 witnesses had less than a second to watch that plane go over.

A flash. It was unexpected. Took longer to register wtf than understand what just happened.

Kobia2 » 29 Jul 2023, 7:18 am » wrote: ↑

29 Jul 2023, 7:18 am

      Mind telling us the source this Pic came from?..... The angle is very deceptive.
Here's an aerial photos of the Pentagon The cluster of street lights in your photo are actually far to the right in reality... The Plane hit the Building in a straight dead-on path --- not on a sharp angle where it would have struck those Lights which are clearly far of that path... LOL


        

      
 

I don't know where that picture comes from, I just googled for pictures of 9/11 Pentagon crash and that one was between them.. but you can clearly see the hole in the middle of the picture so how can it be to the far right in your picture?

But never mind, all the street lights in your not deceptive picture are all still standing too.. I'm not good with paint but I made some orange, same question, how come the plane managed to miss everyone of them?

 
 

 
 
 

Jantje_Smit » 29 Jul 2023, 7:37 am » wrote: ↑

29 Jul 2023, 7:37 am

I don't know where that picture comes from, I just googled for pictures of 9/11 Pentagon crash and that one was between them.. but you can clearly see the hole in the middle of the picture so how can it be to the far right in your picture?

But never mind, all the street lights in your not deceptive picture are all still standing too.. I'm not good with paint but I made some orange, same question, how come the plane managed to miss everyone of them?

 
 

 
 

What is on the other side of the highway as only the right side is shown. Not the left. The plane was coming in low and straight. Maybe bottom of the plane less than 25' off the ground.

Nostradamus'omh » 29 Jul 2023, 7:43 am » wrote: ↑

29 Jul 2023, 7:43 am

What is on the other side of the highway as only the right side is shown. Not the left. The plane was coming in low and straight. Maybe bottom of the plane less than 25' off the ground.
 

I don't know what's on the other side of the highway, more streetlights probably.. and I suspect those are still standing too...

But the plane wasn't coming in low and straight, the cruise missile was.. I hope you don't go along with the corrupted reality of the official propaganda..

 
 

Jantje_Smit » 29 Jul 2023, 7:03 am » wrote: ↑

29 Jul 2023, 7:03 am

What others, those streetlights are right in front of the hole in the Pentagon, how did the plane miss them?

It's not a problem for a cruise missile though..

I knew I wouldn't have to make an effort..

See @Taipan  , I wasn't kidding..

 

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