Jantje_Smit » 29 Jul 2023, 8:40 am » wrote: ↑ Obviously... you are both totally clueless, I'm sure she will make you very happy... ask her about area51..
Did you tell the squatch *** that you dumped him, I would love to see him cry?
What with the 'us' stuff, you are the only one that doesn't get it?
No I said it was probably from a submarine and plenty of people noticed..You say it was from a military base and no one noticed????
Nah, you are way beyond embarrassment.. I won't even try anymore, it's impossible..That's so dumb it's embarrassing

Z09 » 29 Jul 2023, 5:35 am » wrote: ↑ What happened to the plane?
Simple question
A plane that is spotted flying low and there's numerous calls from the plane ....
Witnesses see the plane right near the Pentagon and then there's an explosion....
And the plane is gone...
Where did the plane go?
Show us a witness that said they saw the plane get back in control and flew away....
The plane did not fly to Area 51...
And a cruise missile did not hit the Pentagon from 1000 miles away as another poster claimed
I know, that's the problem, you don't give me much to work with..

There were dead bodies floating, with their life jackets, from the Titanic. Where are the bodies from the plane? The plane was vaporized. Even if they found one finger that made it, somehow, they were able to get the DNA of all 64 passengers that were vaporized into atoms, like the plane.Z09 » 29 Jul 2023, 10:23 am » wrote: ↑ So all the witnesses that reported seeing an American Airlines plane flying low to the gorund and disappearing into the side of the Pentagon are not believeable...?
Why?
You say their "full of ****" but the fact is when dozens and dozens of witnesses with nothing to gain report the same things then I assume they are credible.
Why isn't there all these witnesses that say they saw a cruise missile?
Why wasn't a cruise missile headed to our nations capital ever reported?
What happened to the plane?
You can't answer any of those questions....
With this mentaility then you could say there's no evidence the Titanic ever sank
Z09 » 29 Jul 2023, 10:38 am » wrote: ↑ If there was a cruise missile why wouldn't someone step forward?
They found a hundred people that said it was a plane and it said "American Airlines" on it....
And then the plane disappeared after an explosion...
Eyewitness accounts are important.
And there's no one that came forward and said it WASN'T a plane...
It's pretty convincing actually...
If it were a missile then you'd have people all over the place saying it was a missile.
Everyone kept quiet?
Like everyone kept quiet on the submarine or military base that shot the missile?
Make no sense and the disapperance of the plane is really the final peice of evidence..
Why didn't anyone report this plane suddenly taking off into another direction?
Nobody reported it
And nobody reported a missile
Don't lie, they gained their 15 minutes of fame...Z09 » 29 Jul 2023, 10:23 am » wrote: ↑
You say their "full of ****" but the fact is when dozens and dozens of witnesses with nothing to gain report the same things then I assume they are credible.
Too bad he didn't take any pictures of the broken lampposts..It hit some lampposts on the way in." Daryl Donley witnessed the crash and took some of the first photographs of the site.
Z09 » 29 Jul 2023, 10:46 am » wrote: ↑ Not quite sure what questions you've asked that haven't been answered....
For me to believe a missile hit the Pentagon Id like to know what happened to the plane then...
And that's when everyone goes silent
Jantje_Smit » 29 Jul 2023, 10:26 am » wrote: ↑ I know, that's the problem, you don't give me much to work with..
But instead of your usual crap about guns and horses, maybe you say something about planes and missiles.. or streetlights... that is the issue of the day.. again..
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You were already provided a source that detailed the participation & testimony of Dr. Robert Mann, Forensic Anthropologist (PHD) who was flown from Hickem Air Base in Hawaii to Dover Air Base in Delaware to help lead the effort of identifying the bone fragments, body parts and intermingles flesh of the victims brought from the Pentagon...Vegas » 29 Jul 2023, 10:31 am » wrote: ↑ There were dead bodies floating, with their life jackets, from the Titanic. Where are the bodies from the plane? The plane was vaporized. Even if they found one finger that made it, somehow, they were able to get the DNA of all 64 passengers that were vaporized into atoms, like the plane.
How do you know people didn't see a missile, but didn't come forward?
All of this, including the forensic doctor, are testimonies. 1 through 5 ^^^, all testimonies. Easily manipulated or fabricated. But you can't manipulate physics. Regardless of all these testimonies, there is still no plane at the pentagon. Where is it? I already went over why those pics you showed are inconclusive, it doesn't show them at the pentagon. The photo of that one piece in the lawn was not taken within minutes of the crash. Probably more like an hour. There was only smoke the crew was putting out, the fire was gone (not to mention that piece looked like it was washed and waxed quite nicely., but I won't go there.).Kobia2 » 29 Jul 2023, 10:11 pm » wrote: ↑ You were already provided a source that detailed the participation & testimony of Dr. Robert Mann, Forensic Anthropologist (PHD) who was flown from Hickem Air Base in Hawaii to Dover Air Base in Delaware to help lead the effort of identifying the bone fragments, body parts and intermingles flesh of the victims brought from the Pentagon...
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/390 ... on-attack/
Hawaii scientist helped bring closure to families of victims of 9/11 Pentagon attack Five terrorists killed 184 people when they hijacked and crashed American Airlines flight 77 into the Pentagon on Sept.11, 2001.Forensic anthropologist Robert Mann dealt with the aftermath."You never forget it and I don't want to go through it again," he said.Mann was working at the Central Identification Laboratory at Hickam Air Force Base when he and a small team of anthropologists were summoned to Dover Air Force Base, the site of a makeshift mortuary.
"As soon as we get to the mortuary we can smell decomposition. We can smell jet fuel. It's like part of the Pentagon had been moved to Delaware," he said.For eight days, Mann and other scientists examined human remains from victims who could not be easily identified."We're dealing with body parts, fragments, a finger, a hand or arm, a foot, anything, anything that can come off the body," he said.He remembers seeing wedding rings on severed hands and watches on wrists, and tables covered with the victims' belongings.
Another renowned Forensic Anthropologist Dr. Douglas W. Owsley (PHD) also worked & helped identify Flight 77 & Pentagon victims through DNA..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_W._Owsley
1. Witnesses saw Flight 77 take off from Dulles International Airport in NJ at 8:20am
2. At least 87 Witnesses saw a Commercial Airline strike the Pentagon at 9:37am
3. Not a single witness saw a Missile being launched.
4. Not a single Witness saw a Missile Strike the Pentagon...
5. A Boeing 757 and a Cruise Missile both travel at approximately 550 MPH... One is clearly seen --- the other is not?
The Forensic Anthropologists assembled at Dover Air Force Base used scientific DNA analysis to identify more than 187 different Victims brought to them the body parts -- bone fragments -- and intermingled chunks of flesh from the temporary Morgue in the North Parking Lot at the Pentagon... It is not opinion --- it is fact, unless you can prove all of their work and conclusions were erroneous or they were all complicit in the Pentagon attack. ... And again, do the math --- 125 were from the list of victims / presumed dead who were working at the Pentagon that day --- and the rest were identified through DNA samples collected from the family members of Flight 77...Vegas » 29 Jul 2023, 10:39 pm » wrote: ↑ All of this, including the forensic doctor, are testimonies. 1 through 5 ^^^, all testimonies. Easily manipulated or fabricated. But you can't manipulate physics. Regardless of all these testimonies, there is still no plane at the pentagon. Where is it? I already went over why those pics you showed are inconclusive, it doesn't show them at the pentagon. The photo of that one piece in the lawn was not taken within minutes of the crash. Probably more like an hour. There was only smoke the crew was putting out, the fire was gone (not to mention that piece looked like it was washed and waxed quite nicely., but I won't go there.).
The wingspan of a Boeing 757 is 125 ft. The width of the pentagon hole was 75 ft.
The length of a Boeing 757 is 155 ft. The depth of the hole was around 40 feet.
The plane obviously came from an angle of elevation. This means when it crashed, it would have had to penetrate the ground inside the hole 40 ft in. However, that didn't happen. It was like the plane went in horizontally, which is impossible. Even if, for the sake of argument, we go with the theory that the plane was vaporized into practically nothing, the wings would have had to have been clipped off upon entry. Some of those pieces would be laying around the grass somewhere.
Again, like I said, these are all testimonies, not actual physical evidence. I don't care about their titles. Look at all the fancy medical doctors involved with the whole Covid Hoax. Look at all the scientist, with their degrees and titles, behind the climate change crap. It's meaningless. I don't care. I care about real physical evidence and physics. I can do the same thing - There are many, and I mean many, professional commercial pilots who insist that a pilot hitting that target, the way the official report claims, would be a one in a million shot. They insist it would be impossible. However, though their professional views support mine, I am not using it as evidence, because they are testimonies. It's not physical evidence either way.Kobia2 » 30 Jul 2023, 12:24 am » wrote: ↑ The Forensic Anthropologists assembled at Dover Air Force Base used scientific DNA analysis to identify more than 187 different Victims brought to them the body parts -- bone fragments -- and intermingled chunks of flesh from the temporary Morgue in the North Parking Lot at the Pentagon... It is not opinion --- it is fact, unless you can prove all of their work and conclusions were erroneous or they were all complicit in the Pentagon attack. ... And again, do the math --- 125 were from the list of victims / presumed dead who were working at the Pentagon that day --- and the rest were identified through DNA samples collected from the family members of Flight 77...
The Pictures as well as the sources documenting who took the photographs of the Plane debris both inside & outside the impact site at the Pentagon are indeed conclusive.. The Wheel Hub of a Boeing 757 outside the hole is conclusive -- the piece of Landing gear and Aluminum with the yellow primer used to paint Aircraft found inside are also conclusive.. Flight 77s Flight Recorder which was retrieved and used as an evidence exhibit is also conclusive.. You have absolutely zero evidence of it being planted there, along with the other Plane debris.. . ... Here is another list of Eye Witnesses who saw the Plane either approaching or striking the Pentagon...
http://911myths.com/index.php/American_ ... h_Evidence
These people are from all backgrounds, education levels, worked in both the civilian & military / government employment etc... The one thing they have in common is every one of them saw that Plane.
I don't understand your question. There was no plane to begin with. You are counting on witness testimonies again. Not physical evidence.Again --- you have a "theory" of what YOU think should have happened to that Plane at the moment of impact.... Go ahead and GOOGLE "proof a Missile hit the "Pentagon".... What you will get are dozens of sources which debunk this conspiracy theory... Not a single credible source backs your assertion a Missile hit that building...
Now I have a question I asked you previously ....
Does it seem plausible to you that a Hijacked Plane (Flight 77) which changed course heading towards DC to attack a target at the Capitol, would be shot down or made to disappear so that a Missile could seamlessly take over its trajectory to attack the same target the Plane intended to strike?
So they had something to gain.. you're shifting again..Z09 » 29 Jul 2023, 10:58 am » wrote: ↑ So all these people that saw an American Airline plane that day just wants their 15 minutes of fame...
That's what they saw but everyone, including the hysterical media, says it was a plane.. so that must have been what they saw.. reporting a cruise missile wouldn't have gotten them their 15 minutes but a visit from the men in black instead...Odd how no one that saw a cruise missile wanted their 15 minutes....
Z09 » 29 Jul 2023, 10:27 am » wrote: ↑
In describing the footage, the AP stated: “The aeroplane is a thin white blur on the video as it hits the Pentagon at ground level
Now, about those broken lampposts..Z09 » 29 Jul 2023, 10:29 am » wrote: ↑ "My first thought was he's not going to make it across the river to [Reagan] National Airport. But whoever was flying the plane made no attempt to change direction," Sucherman said. "It was coming in at a high rate of speed, but not at a steep angle -- almost like a heat-seeking missile was locked onto its target and staying dead on course."
Eh, wot?Z09 » 30 Jul 2023, 8:20 am » wrote: ↑ Your big question is why are lamposts standing...
Well...
The plane plowed into them and maybe even dragged them to the crash a few feet away..
Yes, it doesn't happen very often but I'm actually lost for words..A real non starter..
Did the members of Congress take any pictures or or we just supposed to take their word for it?Do you realize members of Congress went to the crash site and saw seats from airplanes and plane parts...?

1. Landing Gear, pieces of Aluminum with yellow primer indicative of the type used on Aircraft and a Wheel Hub from a Boeing 757 AND THE fLIGHT RECORDERS FROM FLIGHT 77 recovered from the crash site are physical evidence.. Explain how they are not... There's your "damn plane"..... Where's the damn Missile that no one saw launched, and not a soul saw hit the Pentagon? You insist that you only care about "physical evidence" but there is absolutely zero to support your own claim of a Missile hitting that building, nor a single eyewitness in 20 years that has even claimed they saw such, and we both know how differently you'd feel about eyewitness testimony if there was any at all to support the Missile theory... And for 20 years not one Inside Jobber has provided a single piece of physical evidence proving Flight 77 crashed anywhere other than the Pentagon.Vegas » 30 Jul 2023, 1:13 am » wrote: ↑ Again, like I said, these are all testimonies, not actual physical evidence. I don't care about their titles. Look at all the fancy medical doctors involved with the whole Covid Hoax. Look at all the scientist, with their degrees and titles, behind the climate change crap. It's meaningless. I don't care. I care about real physical evidence and physics. I can do the same thing - There are many, and I mean many, professional commercial pilots who insist that a pilot hitting that target, the way the official report claims, would be a one in a million shot. They insist it would be impossible. However, though their professional views support mine, I am not using it as evidence, because they are testimonies. It's not physical evidence either way.
Where is the damn plane?
I don't understand your question. There was no plane to begin with. You are counting on witness testimonies again. Not physical evidence.

Look at my post below this #640.....Z09 » 30 Jul 2023, 8:50 am » wrote: ↑ So more witnesses are lying?
Like the witnesses that said they saw an American Airline plane that day.?
They're lying?
And the phony FBI agents...?
They're lying...?
And the members of Congress?
They're lying?
Can you maybe show us some evidence from witnesses that they saw a missile hit the buidling...?
And while you're at it tell us what happened to the plane?
Hani Hanjour: Flight 77 Hijacker - Incompetent Cessna 172 PilotKobia2 » 30 Jul 2023, 8:55 am » wrote: ↑ 1. Landing Gear, pieces of Aluminum with yellow primer indicative of the type used on Aircraft and a Wheel Hub from a Boeing 757 AND THE fLIGHT RECORDERS FROM FLIGHT 77 recovered from the crash site are physical evidence.. Explain how they are not... There's your "damn plane"..... Where's the damn Missile that no one saw launched, and not a soul saw hit the Pentagon? You insist that you only care about "physical evidence" but there is absolutely zero to support your own claim of a Missile hitting that building, nor a single eyewitness in 20 years that has even claimed they saw such, and we both know how differently you'd feel about eyewitness testimony if there was any at all to support the Missile theory... And for 20 years not one Inside Jobber has provided a single piece of physical evidence proving Flight 77 crashed anywhere other than the Pentagon.
2. Again, from Dr. Robert Mann: For eight days, Mann and other scientists examined human remains from victims who could not be easily identified."We're dealing with body parts, fragments, a finger, a hand or arm, a foot, anything that can come off the body," he said.He remembers seeing wedding rings on severed hands and watches on wrists, and tables covered with the victims' belongings.. Explain to me how these are not Physical evidence?
3. You guys keep going on how there's no way a Plane could have made it through those street lights unobstructed -----the fact is the Plane clipped and knocked down 5 such street light posts before striking the building... In the video I posted below, watch at 15:30 to see PHYSICAL EVIDENCE of such downed Light Poles, and also a Taxi that was crushed by one of these poles when it came down... Witnesses saw the Plane hitting and knocking them down, and physical evidence supports this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBRDv8LzcuY
...When Baxter and fellow instructor Ben Conner took the slender, soft-spoken Hanjour on three test runs during the second week of August, they found he had trouble controlling and landing the single-engine Cessna 172. Even though Hanjour showed a federal pilot's license and a log book cataloging 600 hours of flying experience, chief flight instructor Marcel Bernard declined to rent him a plane without more lessons.
George Nelson, USAF Crash Investigator, claims that the planes reported to have been used on 911, were likely NOT the aircraft used in at least two of the cases, and the Pentagon was likely not hit by a Boeing 757 at all.Kobia2 » 30 Jul 2023, 9:04 am » wrote: ↑ Look at my post below this #640.....
I included a still shot photo of one of the downed Street Light Posts that crushed a Taxi when it fell..... This was another of the smoking guns the inside jobbers insited didn't exist ----- so now we can expect to be told the FBI planted that Street Light and crushed taxi on the scene as well (with no one seeing them do so LOL)
This is a photograph of one such Lamp Post ....Jantje_Smit » 29 Jul 2023, 10:49 am » wrote: ↑
Too bad he didn't take any pictures of the broken lampposts..
