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Here is conclusive proof : Vaporization of steel CANNOT be attributed to fuel bawsed fires. Impossible. No so called ' debunker' can possibly explain the vaporization of steel and the physical evidence is beyond doubt.

Read it and weep, debunkers:

911blogger.com...

From the scientist that examined the evidence:

"•Astaneh-Asl said that steel flanges "had been reduced from an inch thick to paper thin." [3]
•At a recycling center in New Jersey, he saw 10-ton steel beams from the towers that "looked like giant sticks of twisted licorice." [4] He showed the San Francisco Chronicle a "banana-shaped, rust-colored piece of steel" that had somehow "twisted like toffee during the terrorist attack." [5]
•He noted the way steel from the WTC had bent at several connection points that had joined the floors to the vertical columns. He described the connections as being smoothly warped, saying, "If you remember the Salvador Dali paintings with the clocks that are kind of melted--it's kind of like that." He added, "That could only happen if you get steel yellow hot or white hot--perhaps around 2,000 degrees." [6]
•In an interview in 2007, Astaneh-Asl recalled, "I saw melting of girders in [the] World Trade Center." [7]
•He found a foot-long twisted shard of steel that was "like a piece of bread, but it was high-strength steel." He commented, "I haven't seen anything like this [before]." [8]
•He came across "severely scorched [steel] members from 40 or so floors below the points of impact [by the planes]." [9]
•The fireproofing that had been used to protect the WTC steel also showed evidence of extreme conditions. In some places it had "melted into a glassy residue." [10]
•Astaneh-Asl saw a charred I-beam from WTC Building 7--a 47-story skyscraper that collapsed late in the afternoon of 9/11, even though no plane hit it. "The beam, so named because its cross-section looks like a capital I, had clearly endured searing temperatures. Parts of the flat top of the I, once five-eighths of an inch thick, had vaporized." [11] "


So, 40 floors BELOW the impact points there was steel so scorched that it stood out; how on earth can any official story cultist explain incredible temperatures FAR BELOW where any fires were? They cannot! Simple.

The best evidence that the NIST report on the collapse of the WTC twin towers was severely flawed, and the towers could not have collapsed to the ground through "pancaking" as was concluded, can be found here.

found at the International Center for 911 Studies.

www.ic911studies.org...

Ie, multiple reports by international physicists, structural engineers, and other experts refuting the NIST conclusion.

Majik » 30 Jul 2023, 9:16 am » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 9:16 am

George Nelson, USAF Crash Investigator, claims that the planes reported to have been used on 911, were likely NOT the aircraft used in at least two of the cases, and the Pentagon was likely not hit by a Boeing 757 at all.

physics911.net...

          George Nelson wasn't at the Pentagon on 9/11..... 
Taxi Driver Lloyd England was there though --- and saw an Airplane knock down the Lamp Post that crushed his Cab and almost killed him..... 

Kobia2 » 30 Jul 2023, 9:04 am » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 9:04 am

             Look at my post below this #640.....
I included a still shot photo of one of the downed Street Light Posts that crushed a Taxi when it fell..... This was another of the smoking guns the inside jobbers insited didn't exist ----- so now we can expect to be told the FBI planted that Street Light and crushed taxi on the scene as well (with no one seeing them do so LOL)

No, it wasn't the FBI...lol.. there is something suspicious about that picture, the top of the lamppost has been neatly cut of yet the lamppost has been completely ripped out of the ground... and if it had enough force to do that than there should be parts of the wing cut of too.. as for no one seeing it, how hard could be to drive a taxi there, smash the windshield and plant a lamppost on the road when everyone is looking at the big burning hole in the Pentagon, you think they're going to pay any attention at what happens on the highway a few hundred yard away?

But again, I give you credit for trying...

 



 
 

Z09 » 30 Jul 2023, 9:25 am » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 9:25 am

This is one of the 911 Truth Sites..

Really gives no evidence at all...
Just questions why there's not more evidence that it really happened...

These are people that you can show footage and they'll argue with you

                     Agreed...
George Nelson himself claims "at least 2 of the Airplanes " involved in the 911 attacks were not the ones that actually were...
We have video and photographic evidence of American Airlines Flight 11 and Flight 175 flying into the North & South Towers of the World Trade Centre.... Physical evidence including the Flight Recorder and Pilot Voice Box (as well as body parts of passengers & crew identified through DNA)  were recovered at the crash site in PA... Even taking Flight 77 at the Pentagon off the table for laughs, that's at least 3 of the 4 Aircraft. LOL

Jantje_Smit » 30 Jul 2023, 9:34 am » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 9:34 am

No, it wasn't the FBI...lol.. there is something suspicious about that picture, the top of the lamppost has been neatly cut of yet the lamppost has been completely ripped out of the ground... and if it had enough force to do that than there should be parts of the wing cut of too.. as for no one seeing it, how hard could be to drive a taxi there, smash the windshield and plant a larnppost on the road when everyone is looking at the big burning hole in the Pentagon, you think they're going to pay any attention at what happens on the highway a few hundred yard away?

But again, I give you credit for trying...

 

         You cannot be serious...... LMAO
Did you actually watch the video of Taxi driver Lloyd England describe what happened (see my post #648).... Other witnesses saw the Street Light Post get knocked down by the Plane and land on his Taxi LOL.... But you are easily ready to dismiss the physical & eyewitness evidence here to embrace an additional conspiracy theory that a Taxi was planted on the scene --- smashed with bats --- a large Street Light Post was either planted on the scene as well, or was taken down by unknown entities & unknown means while every person there that day had their backs turned--- and the driver of the Taxi Mr. England is also complicit in the Pentagon attack?

        Keep in mind, Lloyd England was not a private or independent Taxi Driver.... He worked for Capitol Cab company, and was driving car #677 that day..... So now you need to tell us if Capitol Cab Company are also complicit in the Pentagon attack, or were they just completely unaware that one of their Cabs (or a replica) with the Company Logo on the door & Taxi Light on the roof was also hijacked and driven to the crash scene at the Pentagon... 

           

      
               
 

Z09 » 30 Jul 2023, 9:25 am » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 9:25 am

This is one of the 911 Truth Sites..

Really gives no evidence at all...
Just questions why there's not more evidence that it really happened...

These are people that you can show footage and they'll argue with you

Something that you need to understand is that the 9/11 Truth movement encompassed the full gamut of American scientific expertise like the USAF crash investigator mentioned in the link ....
From Pilots to Engineers to Physicists etc....whom all  poked a million holes in the official story ........
and you saying that a testimonial by a seasoned USAF crash investigator and many other professionals like him is not any evidence at all ......is purely you grasping at straws and taking the position of the government which to this day has not plugged the million holes poked into the official story.


 

Kobia2 » 30 Jul 2023, 9:24 am » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 9:24 am

          George Nelson wasn't at the Pentagon on 9/11..... 
Taxi Driver Lloyd England was there though --- and saw an Airplane knock down the Lamp Post that crushed his Cab and almost killed him..... 

No, but he knew from previous crash investigations and his own expertise that the official story was not true.....
Just like the thousands of Airilne pilots whom also questioned how an untrained pilot that only flew flight simulators and wasn't even that good at it could have hit the Pentagon never mind even finding it .....

 

Majik » 30 Jul 2023, 11:25 am » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 11:25 am

No, but he knew from previous crash investigations and his own expertise that the official story was not true.....
Just like the thousands of Airilne pilots whom also questioned how an untrained pilot that only flew flight simulators and wasn't even that good at it could have hit the Pentagon never mind even finding it .....

Ok. I'm throwing this out there for kicks
There used to be a scientist interviewed on the radio. Many times.
Top of the field. Credentials up the arss.
A woman as a matter of fact.
I can't remember her name... or the details.
 but she thought it was some kind of weapon.
not a missile- not a plane.
Do i think there were planes? yes- BOTH
i do not think they were enough to bring the buildings down.
AND
other then you!
 no one has addressed building number seven.
It was Not hit by a plane!
 the entire thing stinks to high heaven!

 

Z09 » 30 Jul 2023, 9:39 am » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 9:39 am

So now the taxi driver smashed his windshield planted a lamp post of the road...
For what purpose?

Christ...
Another person in the conspiracy?

I see nothing suspicious about this photo

Not planted .....
from the security footage of the projectile hitting the Pentagon it was going extremely fast and the taxi driver could have mistaken a plane for another projectile that resembled a plane.
When was the taxi driver's statement taken ?
which matters ....a lot.

 

Z09 » 30 Jul 2023, 11:49 am » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 11:49 am

A millions holes in the official story?

I simply don't believe a missile hit the Pentagon and all these witnesses were lying...

And members of Congress were lying
And Norad
And air traffic controllers.
And people on the plane that called family members..
And now a taxi driver smashed his own windshield
And phony FBI agents..
And of course the 87 witnesses that documented seeing an American Airlines jet flying low close to Pentagon right before the crash

I just don't think these hundreds of people could keep a secret this big for 5 minutes nevermind 22 years....

And once again..
Where's the plane?

OFFICIAL ACCOUNT OF 9/11 FLIGHT CONTRADICTED BY GOVERNMENT'S OWN DATA
pilotsfor911truth.org...

UNITED 93 DATA PROVIDED BY US GOVERNMENT DOES NOT SUPPORT OBSERVED EVENTS
pilotsfor911truth.org...

Speeds Reported For World Trade Center Attack Aircraft Analyzed
pilotsfor911truth.org...

NASA Flight Director Confirms 9/11 Aircraft Speed As The "Elephant In The Room"
pilotsfor911truth.org...

9/11: PENTAGON AIRCRAFT HIJACK IMPOSSIBLE
pilotsfor911truth.org...

United 93 Still Airborne After Alleged Crash - According To ATC/Radar
pilotsfor911truth.org...

Physical Damage To Pentagon Impossible Based on Witness Statements/Observations
pilotsfor911truth.org...
www.citizeninvestigationteam.com...

F.B.I. Counsel: No Attempt Made By F.B.I. To Formally Identify 9/11 Plane Wreckage
pilotsfor911truth.org...

The Lack of Foundation Damage at the Pentagon is Irreconcilable with the Official Reports and Data
pilotsfor911truth.org...

Arlington Topography, Obstacles Make American 77 Final Leg Impossible
pilotsfor911truth.org...
 

Z09 » 30 Jul 2023, 11:54 am » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 11:54 am

Forget the taxi driver..

How about all the witnesses that stated they saw "American Airlines" on the plane....?

That's hard to explain away...

A mock up of an explosive  projectile that has "American Airlines" painted on it is actually quite easy to explain .....which I just did....just now.

 

Z09 » 30 Jul 2023, 12:01 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 12:01 pm

Access to these sites are not allowed....

And again..

How can so many people be lying?

****.

Pilots For Truth Press Release
Released to Alternative/Independent Media 03/25/07, Mainstream Media 03/26/07.PRESS RELEASE

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE03/26/07PILOTS FOR 9/11 TRUTH
www.pilotsfor911truth.orgContact: Robert Balsamo
e-mail: pilots@pilotsfor911truth.orgOFFICIAL ACCOUNT OF 9/11 FLIGHT CONTRADICTED BY GOVERNMENT'S OWN DATAPilots for 9/11 Truth, an international organization of pilots and aviation professionals, petitioned the National Transportation and Safety Board (NTSB) via the Freedom of Information Act to obtain their 2002 report, "Flight Path Study-American Airlines Flight 77", consisting of a Comma Separated Value (CSV) file and Flight Path Animation, allegedly derived from Flight 77's Flight Data Recorder (FDR). The data provided by the NTSB contradict the 9/11 Commission Report in several significant ways:

1. The NTSB Flight Path Animation approach path and altitude does not support official events.
2. All Altitude data shows the aircraft at least 300 feet too high to have struck the light poles.
3. The rate of descent data is in direct conflict with the aircraft being able to impact the light poles and be captured in the Dept of Defense "5 Frames" video of an object traveling nearly parallel with the Pentagon lawn.
4. The record of data stops at least one second prior to official impact time.
5. If data trends are continued, the aircraft altitude would have been at least 100 feet too high to have hit the Pentagon.

In August, 2006, members of Pilots for 9/11 Truth received these documents from the NTSB and began a close analysis of the data they contain. After expert review and cross check, Pilots for 9/11 Truth has concluded that the information in these NTSB documents does not support, and in some instances factually contradicts, the official government position that American Airlines Flight 77 struck the Pentagon on the morning of September 11, 2001 .According to the 9/11 Commission Report, which relied heavily upon the NTSB Flight Path Study, American Airlines Flight 77 struck the Pentagon at 9:37:46 AM on the morning of September 11, 2001 . However, the reported impact time according to the NTSB Flight Path Study is 09:37:45 . Also according to reports, American Airlines Flight 77 struck the Pentagon and by doing so, struck down 5 light poles on Highway 27 in its path to the west wall.The information provided by the NTSB does not support the 9/11 Commission Report of American Airlines Flight 77 impact with the Pentagon.Pilots for 9/11 Truth is committed to discovering the truth surrounding the events of September 11, 2001 . We have contacted both the NTSB and the FBI regarding these and other inconsistencies. To date, they have refused to comment on, correct, refute, retract or offer side-letters that might explain the discrepancies between what they claim are the data extracted from the FDR of AA Flight 77 and the official story alleging its crash into the Pentagon.As concerned citizens and professionals in the aviation industry, Pilots for 9/11 Truth asks, why have these discrepancies not been addressed by agencies within the United States Government? Why have they falsely represented their own data to the American people? Pilots for 9/11 Truth takes the position that an official government inquiry into these discrepancies is warranted and long overdue. We call upon our fellow citizens to write to their Congressional representatives to inform them of these discrepancies and call for an immediate investigation into this matter. For more information please visit pilotsfor911truth.org.

https://pilotsfor911truth.org/pressrelease.html

 
 

The Lack of Foundation Damage at the Pentagon is Irreconcilable with the Official Reports and Data
Craig Ranke, Rob Balsamo

03/15/08 - The lack of foundation damage at the Pentagon is irreconcilable with the official reports and is strong physical evidence contradicting the 9/11 official story.

The ASCE Building Performance Report has meticulously documented the damage to the building and has come to the conclusion that all damage from the alleged plane impact was limited to the bottom two floors, but primarily below the 2nd floor slab so that 90 tons of jumbo jet would have slid on it's belly across the 1st floor slab all the way through the C-ring.

QUOTE

The aircraft seems for the most part to have slipped between the first floor slab on grade and the second floor. pg. 28

They also suggest that the right wing of the plane had to have been tilted up to account for the generator trailer and the anomalous damage to the facade.

This illustration is figure 6.1 from page 35 demonstrating this.

With a finite amount of space between the bottom two floors and the required wing tilt that they report, the ASCE report illustrates that about half of the left engine would have burrowed into the foundation of the building.

Here is an RB-211 for scale.

The engine is about 6 tons and would necessitate an incredible amount of kinetic force attached to a 90 ton jet traveling 535mph.

Yet the ASCE report does not list any significant damage to the 1st floor slab and it appears relatively untouched in all photographs all the way through to the C-ring hole.

All of these images from the FEMA site were taken by Jocelyn Augustino on 9/21/2001 just 10 days after the event:

Here is an example of what a plane crash would do to a ground slab:

What underscores this irreconcilable anomaly is that the topography and trends reported in the FDR prove that the alleged aircraft would have had a noticeable descent angle as depicted in these images created by Pilots for 9/11 Truth based off trends in the final values of the 2006 released NTSB black box data:

Based on the descent rate provided by the NTSB in the FDR data, due to the G loads required for that vertical speed; it is aeronautically impossible for this aircraft to have pulled out of that dive instantaneously and be level with the lawn as depicted in the 2002 leaked and 2006 released Pentagon security video.

Further, the FDR does not show and has not recorded any positive load required to pull out of this dive. In fact, it shows less than 1 G for that segment which represents a "pushing forward" motion on the yoke, as seen in the animation reconstruction provided by the NTSB (See Pandora's Black Box - Chapter Two - Flight Of American 77), instead of a "pulling level" motion required.

Based on the descent angle, vertical speed and G Loads observed in the FDR data, descent and vertical speed required due to topography, the 90 ton jet would only compound the damage to the first floor slab if the plane hit the building where it meets the ground as reported.

The physical evidence at the Pentagon is anomalous on many levels and irreconcilable with the official reports. The DoD itself called the damage "counter-intuitive". The animation released by Purdue University actually omits the engines from the airframe and does not continue vertical stabilizer path, most likey due to the fact they cannot account for the lack of damage observed at the pentagon from these heavy airframe structures.

Questions like this are why so many who research 9/11 initially had issues with the Pentagon attack. The anomalous damage and lack of parts recovered -- which were never positively identified as having come from American Airlines Flight 77, nor will government agencies release such information via FOIA, giving unlawful excuse to withhold this information -- is just as observably questionable as the collapse of WTC 7.

https://pilotsfor911truth.org/found_damage_031508.html
 
 

Z09 » 30 Jul 2023, 12:09 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 12:09 pm

Sorry...
I touch your link and it says "Access Denied"

It works fine for me ....
did it deny you this ?


Credentials and Experience-

Pilots For Truth was Founded in August 2006. We only cover facts based on data as our mission statement explains on the home page.- We currently have numerous pilots/aviation professionals -- and growing -- at Pilots For Truth. Current combined experience is over 200,000 Hours flight time with ATP, Commercial, Primary and Advanced Flight Instructors etc.- Airlines represented include Continental, American, TWA, Independence Air, ATA, jetBlue, United, several corporate, charter and fractional carriers.- Our membership covers every branch of the military.- We have experts from Boeing and licensed Aircraft Maintenance Technicians (AMT's).- We have several members who help behind the scenes as they will lose their jobs (and access to information) should they go public. These types of members include airline workers and current active duty military.-Scholars for Truth and Veterans For Truth are part of the same team. Aviation professionals from each organization are considered part of each other. Which include aero engineers, simulator experts.. FAA Inspectors.. etc. Contacts are ongoing to organize as we are getting emails daily from those wishing to join. A list of members is now available and is constantly updated.- Pilot experience includes type ratings in MD-88, CRJ, 737, 757, 767, 747, DC-10, J-41, several corporate types and Military drivers.- The Flight Data Recorder Research Team consists of Professionals/Experts in Computers for decoding files, Pilots, Flight Data Recorder Experts and Accident Investigators to interpret the data, along with experts from Boeing.- The NTSB and FBI has refused to comment regarding the growing mountain of conflicting information uncovered by Pilots For Truth.- Any aviation professional interested in joining our research team, please contact pilotsfortruth@NOSPAMyahoo.com (please remove the words NOSPAM when emailing).We welcome all aviation professionals. Pilots, Mechanics, ATC, FA's, Rampers, Gate Agents, Customer Service, etc. Thank you for taking the time to inform yourself.
 

Arlington Topography, Obstacles Make American 77 Final Leg Impossible
By Rob Balsamo, Pilots For 9/11 Truth

By Rob Balsamo, Pilots For 9/11 Truth

Update - 12/12/08

It appears some are still confused regarding the corrections of the below article and still do not understand that the video presented which contain the proper formula's as determined by Aeronautical Engineers is a "correction" to our article below. This update is to inform those who are still confused that the presentation of "9/11: Attack On The Pentagon" and the "G Forces" clip below offered for free, is the correction to our admitted math errors from our original article. For most this is not in question. For those who make excuse for the govt story, apparently they are still confused and still quote the 11.2 G's of the original article wondering when we are going to "correct" our mistakes, yet anyone who actually views the video presentation will readily realize such errors have been corrected.

Those who do make excuse for the govt story feel we should delete our errors in the original article below. We disagree. We show our errors and work through them. To date, this is the only article on this site which we have made mistakes and have since corrected the errors as shown in the video presentation directly below this update. Thank you for your understanding and we apologize for any confusion.

Update - 09/15/08

An update to Pilots For 9/11 Truth Arlington Topography and Obstacles Article.

"G FORCES", a scene from the new film "9/11: ATTACK ON THE PENTAGON" produced by professional pilots, Aeronautical Engineers and physicists analyzes the G forces required for a 757 to negotiate the Arlington region on S eptember 11, 2001 based on flight data provided by the US Govt. For full high quality film and detailed description, please visit http://pilotsfor911truth.org.

05/01/08 - Update: For those who have been visiting this page on a regular basis anticipating a revision to our calculations below, please be advised we are continuing our efforts to revise this article. In order to be as thorough and as accurate as possible, the majority of our time has been occupied with building an accurate scale model of the Arlington area, complete with obstacles, topography and other details. The scale model of Arlington is now in its final stages of construction. We are currently in the process of assembling a presentation to be published with respect to the original premise of this article along with addressing numerous other issues. In the interest of accuracy, the fact we are taking this presentation to a whole new level, and due to limited resources, this has been proven to be a lengthy task. We offer this clip to better understand and appreciate the detail and complexity of our upcoming presentation regarding this article along with other issues that will be addressed. Keep in mind the following clip is a low quality "rough draft" sample of another issue we will be addressing within the "revision".

3/13/08 - "Beware The Ides Of March" could not be a more appropriate introduction to this article as it appears the government story regarding the events at the pentagon is officially dead. Thanks to the hard work done by Citizen Investigation Team, they alerted us to review figures regarding topography and obstacles along the flight path of American 77 according to the government story. Physically and aerodynamically, Arlington's unique topography and obstacles along American 77 "final leg" to the pentagon make this approach completely impossible as we will demonstrate.

According to the government, American 77 final approach to the pentagon is depicted below.

https://pilotsfor911truth.org/descent_rate031308.html
 

Overwhelming Evidence Pentagon Aircraft Data Is Not From An American Airlines 757

03/03/11 - (PilotsFor911Truth.org) When Pilots For 9/11 Truth was founded in the late summer of 2006, the objective was to find evidence supporting what we have been told by the 9/11 Commission as many theories were rumored that elements within the US Government might have had something to do with 9/11. Co-Founder Rob Balsamo explains how he was puzzled and motivated to pursue further research into the events of 9/11 in his citation at PatriotsQuestion911.com, which lead to the formation of Pilots For 9/11 Truth. More than four years of solid research through Freedom Of Information Act (FOIA) requests, numerous interviews and expert analysis has revealed no hard evidence supporting or linking to -- and in many instances factually conflicting with -- conclusions made by the 9/11 Commission. Now there is overwhelming evidence which suggests the data that is being provided to the public through the FOIA, is not from an aircraft which has been operated by American Airlines.

Pilots For 9/11 Truth analysis of data being provided by the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) has revealed the data does not support an impact with the Pentagon, exceeds the capabilities of a standard 757/767 by a wide margin, while demonstrating control issues for an "inexperienced pilot" (See 9/11: Attack On The Pentagon, 9/11: World Trade Center Attack, and Flight Of American 77). The data itself does not support what we have been told by the 9/11 Commission. When contacted, the NTSB and the FBI refused to comment. Pilots For 9/11 Truth went on to research if there was any evidence linking the data to N644AA (the aircraft described as "Flight 77"), once again, there is no evidence to support the government version of events(1). Research was also performed to determine if there was any evidence whatsoever linking the limited number of parts found at the Pentagon, to N644AA(2). In an unprecedented turn of events, the parts were never verified by any government agency for any of the four aircraft reported to have been used on 9/11. In all instances, there hasn't been any evidence provided by government agencies to support what we have been told by the 9/11 Commission. Further analysis reveals evidence demonstrating the data provided was not generated by an American Airlines airplane in the case of the attack on the Pentagon.

DATA FRAME LAYOUT

Pilots For 9/11 Truth have been provided several files through the FOIA. One file in particular, a raw Flight Data Recorder file which is described as a direct download from the FDR, contains binary code which needs to be decoded for a proper readout in a spreadsheet such as Excel. In order to decode such data, a Data Frame Layout is required. Derived from a generic Boeing Data Frame Layout, American Airlines provided it's own custom made Data Frame Layout which was designed for decoding data from aircraft within the American Airlines fleet, based on airline needs exclusive to American Airlines (AAL). The custom made AAL Data Frame Layout was unable to decode the data in full, and in some instances, neither the AAL Data Frame Layoyut nor the generic Boeing Data Frame Layout were able to be utilized in decoding the data(3). Why would American Airlines design their own custom Data Frame Layout if it cannot decode data from their aircraft? Or perhaps the data being provided is not from an American Airlines jet?

FLIGHT DECK DOOR

Pilots For 9/11 Truth also found, according to the data, there is no evidence suggesting a "Hijack" had occurred. A Flight Deck Door parameter shows the door closed for the entire flight. No evidence has been provided thus far which shows the Flight Deck Door open in order to facilitate a "Hijack".(4)


Continued....

https://pilotsfor911truth.org/no-hard-e ... -aa77.html
 

Z09 » 30 Jul 2023, 12:20 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 12:20 pm

Do the 911 pilots ever explain what happened to the plane all the witnesses didn't see?

The witnesses saw something going over 500 miles an hour ....which looked like a jet ....nothing more nothing less.....
and The pilots have proven because of their vast knowledge and flying experience that the official story is **** .....
and here is a small snippet of that knowledge and expertise....

Robert Balsamo
4000+ Total Flight Time
Former:
Independence Air/Atlantic Coast Airlines

Glen Stanish
15,000+ Total Flight Time
American Airlines, ATA, TWA, Continental

Captain Russ Wittenberg (ret)
30,000+ Total Flight Time
Former Pan Am, United
United States Air Force (ret)
Over 100 Combat Missions Flown

John Lear
Son of Bill Lear
Founder, creator of the Lear Jet Corporation
More than 40 years of Flying
19,000+ Total Flight Time

Captain Jeff Latas
USAF (ret)
Captain - JetBlue Airways

Ted Muga
Naval Aviator - Retired Commander, USNR

Col Robert Bowman USAF (ret)
Directed all the “Star Wars” programs under Presidents Ford and Carter - 101 combat missions
John Panarelli
Friend and fellow aviator of John Ogonowski - Capt. AA #11
11,000+ Total Flight Time
Eastern Metro, Braniff, Ryan International, Emery
Worldwide, Polar Air Cargo

Lt. Colonel Shelton F. Lankford
United States Marine Corps (ret)
10,000+ Total Flight Time
303 Combat Missions

Captain Dan Govatos
10,000+ Total Flight Time
Former Chief Pilot of Casino Express airlines
Director of Operations Training at Polar Air

George Nelson
Colonel USAF (Ret.)
Licensed Commercial Pilot and Aircraft Mechanic

Dennis Spear
Army Aviator (ret)
7000+ Total Flight Time Operations Officer, Aviation Safety Officer

Captain Joe H. Ferguson
30,000+ Total Flight Time (ret) USAF (ret)

 For complete member list please visit http://pilotsfor911truth.org/core.html
 
 

Kobia2 » 30 Jul 2023, 8:55 am » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 8:55 am

          1. Landing Gear, pieces of Aluminum with yellow primer indicative of the type used on Aircraft and a Wheel Hub from a Boeing 757 AND THE fLIGHT RECORDERS FROM FLIGHT 77 recovered from the crash site are physical evidence.. Explain how they are not... There's your "damn plane".....  Where's the damn Missile that no one saw launched, and not a soul saw hit the Pentagon? You insist that you only care about "physical evidence" but there is absolutely zero to support your own claim of a Missile hitting that building, nor a single eyewitness in 20 years that has even claimed they saw such, and we both know how differently you'd feel about eyewitness testimony if there was any at all to support the Missile theory... And for 20 years not one Inside Jobber has provided a single piece of physical evidence proving Flight 77  crashed anywhere other than the Pentagon.

        2.  Again, from Dr. Robert Mann: For eight days, Mann and other scientists examined human remains from victims who could not be easily identified."We're dealing with body parts, fragments, a finger, a hand or arm, a foot,  anything that can come off the body," he said.He remembers seeing wedding rings on severed hands and watches on wrists, and tables covered with the victims' belongings.. Explain to me how these are not Physical evidence? 

        3.  You guys keep going on how there's no way a Plane could have made it through those street lights unobstructed -----the fact is the Plane clipped and knocked down 5 such street light posts before striking the building... In the video I posted below, watch at 15:30 to see PHYSICAL EVIDENCE of such downed Light Poles, and also a Taxi that was crushed by one of these poles when it came down... Witnesses saw the Plane hitting and knocking them down, and physical evidence supports this. 

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBRDv8LzcuY

     

1 & 2: I have addressed this so many times already. I won't address again. I can only repeat myself so many times before I get exhausted. 

3. I was wrong about the light posts. I wasn't aware of those. 

We don't know if there missile fragments or not because the government would never release it. Why would they release photos of a missile that they shot into the pentagon?
 

Z09 » 30 Jul 2023, 1:04 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 1:04 pm

And after all these days and all the pages of replies...

I'd love to know how a jumbo jet can just vanish out of thin air one Tuesday morning

It is so exhausting repeating myself. I have addressed this way too many rimes already. No more.