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@Jantje_Smit  I originally thought that perhaps the Navy sent a UAV into the pentagon. Back then they were forking a lot of resources into those. It would explain the precision and smaller hole. However, I then thought against it because they can only carry about 800 pounds of fuel and their wingspans are actually larger than a Boeing 757. So, I don't know about that one.  Thoughts?

Z09 » 30 Jul 2023, 1:15 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 1:15 pm

That would mean probably a hundred more people involved in the conspiracy...

Not really. No mofre than the other usual **** our government orchestrates such as the hoaxes of global warming, Covid, opioid addictions, war on drugs, etc...thousands and thousands of people have to be involved in those. 

Vegas » 30 Jul 2023, 1:17 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 1:17 pm

@Jantje_Smit  I originally thought that perhaps the Navy sent a UAV into the pentagon. Back then they were forking a lot of resources into those. It would explain the precision and smaller hole. However, I then thought against it because they can only carry about 800 pounds of fuel and their wingspans are actually larger than a Boeing 757. So, I don't know about that one.  Thoughts?

The simple solution is 77 hit the Pentagon.

Here was the incredibly brave and disciplined rag head pilot.  It was over 500 miles an hour, I stand corrected.

A 200,000 pound kamikaze at 530 miles an hour, full of fuel.

That would have sank the USS Missouri, one hit.


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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hani_Hanjur
The flight was scheduled to depart at 8:10, but ended up departing 10 minutes late from Gate D26 at Dulles.[41] The last normal radio communications from the aircraft to air traffic control occurred at 08:50:51.[42] At 08:54, Flight 77 began to deviate from its normal, assigned flight path and turned south,[43] and then hijackers set the flight's autopilotheading for Washington, D.C.[44] Passenger Barbara Olson called her husband, United States Solicitor General Ted Olson, and reported that the plane had been hijacked and that the assailants had box cutters and knives. Using the flight intercom, Hanjur announced the flight was hijacked.[43][45] As Flight 77 was 5 miles (8.0 km) west-southwest of the Pentagon, it made a 330-degree turn. At the end of the turn, it was descending through 2,200 feet (670 m), pointed toward the Pentagon and downtown Washington. Hanjur advanced the throttles to maximum power and dove towards the Pentagon at a speed of over 530 mph (850 km/h). At 09:37:46, Hanjur crashed the Boeing 757 into the west façade of the Pentagon, killing all 64 aboard along with 125 on the ground in the Pentagon.[46] While level above the ground and seconds from the crash, the airplane's wings knocked over light poles and its right engine smashed into a power generator, creating a smoke trail seconds before smashing into the Pentagon. In the recovery process at the Pentagon, remains of all five Flight 77 hijackers were identified through a process of elimination, as not matching any DNA samples for the victims, and put into custody of the FBI.[47][48]
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Bruce » 30 Jul 2023, 1:25 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 1:25 pm

The simple solution is 77 hit the Pentagon.

Here was the incredibly brave and disciplined rag head pilot.  It was over 500 miles an hour, I stand corrected.

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hani_Hanjur
The flight was scheduled to depart at 8:10, but ended up departing 10 minutes late from Gate D26 at Dulles.[41] The last normal radio communications from the aircraft to air traffic control occurred at 08:50:51.[42] At 08:54, Flight 77 began to deviate from its normal, assigned flight path and turned south,[43] and then hijackers set the flight's autopilotheading for Washington, D.C.[44] Passenger Barbara Olson called her husband, United States Solicitor General Ted Olson, and reported that the plane had been hijacked and that the assailants had box cutters and knives. Using the flight intercom, Hanjur announced the flight was hijacked.[43][45] As Flight 77 was 5 miles (8.0 km) west-southwest of the Pentagon, it made a 330-degree turn. At the end of the turn, it was descending through 2,200 feet (670 m), pointed toward the Pentagon and downtown Washington. Hanjur advanced the throttles to maximum power and dove towards the Pentagon at a speed of over 530 mph (850 km/h). At 09:37:46, Hanjur crashed the Boeing 757 into the west façade of the Pentagon, killing all 64 aboard along with 125 on the ground in the Pentagon.[46] While level above the ground and seconds from the crash, the airplane's wings knocked over light poles and its right engine smashed into a power generator, creating a smoke trail seconds before smashing into the Pentagon. In the recovery process at the Pentagon, remains of all five Flight 77 hijackers were identified through a process of elimination, as not matching any DNA samples for the victims, and put into custody of the FBI.[47][48]
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Wait.....read the last sentence I bolded. The victims were identified through DNA, but not the hijackers?

Okey doke. 

Z09 » 30 Jul 2023, 1:26 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 1:26 pm

They'd have to hide the plane and then wisk the people out of the airport...

Where's the plane and these passengers?

Not if there was never any flight to begin with. 

sootedupCyndi » 30 Jul 2023, 11:40 am » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 11:40 am

Ok. I'm throwing this out there for kicks
There used to be a scientist interviewed on the radio. Many times.
Top of the field. Credentials up the arss.
A woman as a matter of fact.
I can't remember her name... or the details.
 but she thought it was some kind of weapon.
not a missile- not a plane.
Do i think there were planes? yes- BOTH
i do not think they were enough to bring the buildings down.
AND
other then you!
 no one has addressed building number seven.
It was Not hit by a plane!
 the entire thing stinks to high heaven!

Her name was Dr. Judy Wood..... a professor at Clemson University with degrees in civil engineering, engineering mechanics, and materials engineering science.
She claimed that a directed energy weapon and holograms could have been employed ......
and as for building 7 .....A Structural Reevaluation of the Collapse of World Trade Center 7
This is a study of the collapse of World Trade Center Building 7 (WTC 7) — a 47-story building that suffered a total collapse at 5:20 PM on September 11, 2001, following the horrible events of that morning. The objective of the study was threefold: (1) Examine the structural response of WTC 7 to fire loads that may have occurred on September 11, 2001; (2) Rule out scenarios that could not have caused the observed collapse; and (3) Identify types of failures and their locations that may have caused the total collapse to occur as observed.

The UAF research team utilized three approaches for examining the structural response of WTC 7 to the conditions that may have occurred on September 11, 2001. First, we simulated the local structural response to fire loading that may have occurred below Floor 13, where most of the fires in WTC 7 are reported to have occurred. Second, we supplemented our own simulation by examining the collapse initiation hypothesis developed by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST). Third, we simulated a number of scenarios within the overall structural system in order to determine what types of local failures and their locations may have caused the total collapse to occur as observed.

The principal conclusion of our study is that fire did not cause the collapse of WTC 7 on 9/11, contrary to the conclusions of NIST and private engineering firms that studied the collapse. The secondary conclusion of our study is that the collapse of WTC 7 was a global failure involving the near-simultaneous failure of every column in the building.

https://ine.uaf.edu/wtc7
 

Majik » 30 Jul 2023, 2:09 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 2:09 pm

Her name was Dr. Judy Wood..... a professor at Clemson University with degrees in civil engineering, engineering mechanics, and materials engineering science.
She claimed that a directed energy weapon and holograms could have been employed ......
and as for building 7 .....A Structural Reevaluation of the Collapse of World Trade Center 7
This is a study of the collapse of World Trade Center Building 7 (WTC 7) — a 47-story building that suffered a total collapse at 5:20 PM on September 11, 2001, following the horrible events of that morning. The objective of the study was threefold: (1) Examine the structural response of WTC 7 to fire loads that may have occurred on September 11, 2001; (2) Rule out scenarios that could not have caused the observed collapse; and (3) Identify types of failures and their locations that may have caused the total collapse to occur as observed.

The UAF research team utilized three approaches for examining the structural response of WTC 7 to the conditions that may have occurred on September 11, 2001. First, we simulated the local structural response to fire loading that may have occurred below Floor 13, where most of the fires in WTC 7 are reported to have occurred. Second, we supplemented our own simulation by examining the collapse initiation hypothesis developed by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST). Third, we simulated a number of scenarios within the overall structural system in order to determine what types of local failures and their locations may have caused the total collapse to occur as observed.

The principal conclusion of our study is that fire did not cause the collapse of WTC 7 on 9/11, contrary to the conclusions of NIST and private engineering firms that studied the collapse. The secondary conclusion of our study is that the collapse of WTC 7 was a global failure involving the near-simultaneous failure of every column in the building.

https://ine.uaf.edu/wtc7

YES!!!! OH GOD you are so smart!!!!!!!!
nobody knows this sheet but us- and half the time- i can't remember IT! xo xo!
its obscure!       
 
 

Vegas » 22 Jul 2023, 12:05 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Jul 2023, 12:05 pm

I have started many threads about this...well, here is another one. 

Pentagon: Where is the **** plane? 
Building 7: What the **** caused that collapse? It wasn't hit. And building fires don't cause a straight down collapse...they just  burn.
Twin Towers: Engineers have repeatedly said that the impacts of the plane and jet fuel could not take down those towers, especially straight down like that. 
Amateur pilots: How the hell can 19 rag heads, with barely any flight experience, fly those gigantic planes with such precision?

Inside GW Bush admin ................

sootedupCyndi » 30 Jul 2023, 2:14 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 2:14 pm

OH GOD you are so smart!!!!!!!!
nobody knows this sheet but us- and half the time- i can't remember IT! xo xo!
its obscure!     

The collapse of building 7 should be enough to, at the very least, question the whole 9/11 official report. At least be sparked to ask questions. But some don't want even to do that. 

razoo » 30 Jul 2023, 2:15 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 2:15 pm

Inside GW Bush admin ................

  Here we go again. Always the Republicans. 9/11, reportedly, was in the planning stage for 2 to 3 years prior. All under Billy the Rapists watch. 

Vegas » 30 Jul 2023, 1:21 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 1:21 pm

Not really. No mofre than the other usual **** our government orchestrates such as the hoaxes of global warming, Covid, opioid addictions, war on drugs, etc...thousands and thousands of people have to be involved in those.

I am a very poor one to remember details- and of course it was years ago!
But he does!
I guess that's the diff- between a man and a woman.  ha ha ha...  
someone picked on me a few times- why don't you post it?
Why bother when someone comes thru and says it better.. like zeets~   
 

Vegas » 30 Jul 2023, 2:17 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 2:17 pm

The collapse of building 7 should be enough to, at the very least, question the whole 9/11 official report. At least be sparked to ask questions. But some don't want even to do that.

I know? Did tremors collapse it?
 i doubt it. Never saw a pic of THAT either!

Vegas » 30 Jul 2023, 2:17 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 2:17 pm

The collapse of building 7 should be enough to, at the very least, question the whole 9/11 official report. At least be sparked to ask questions. But some don't want even to do that.

building 7 which one was that?

on tv it looked like a building fell real slow but someone who was there told me it fell real fast.
 

Z09 » 30 Jul 2023, 12:49 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 12:49 pm

Don't you get it?

Nelson saw the missile and the first thing he did was break his windshield and then make up a lie about a plane...

            hahahahha..... 
couldn't have happened any other way... 

Vegas » 30 Jul 2023, 1:28 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 1:28 pm

Wait.....read the last sentence I bolded. The victims were identified through DNA, but not the hijackers?

Okey doke.

No, read closer.

We knew who all the dead Americans were.  We got DNA from American relatives.

When they were done identifying dead Americans, there were five rag heads left over.

The rag heads families were over across the briny foam, and not cooperative anyway. 

Hey, Osama bin Laden caught us asleep.

19 men bought 19 plane tickets, and turned 4 of our own jetliners into the most powerful cruise missiles in world history.

He might have spent $500,000

It took the Japanese twenty years to build the fleet Thant bombed Pearl Harbor.

sootedupCyndi » 30 Jul 2023, 2:24 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 2:24 pm

I know? Did tremors collapse it?
 i doubt it. Never saw a pic of THAT either!

It would please me........if you could say a kind word to me...... (now & then)
Yes,
I know.
I am a dangerous man.
Good.
That is what I wanted.                             
https://youtu.be/cxKUupk0kbY

   

Taipan » 30 Jul 2023, 2:33 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 2:33 pm

It would please me........if you could say a kind word to me...... (now & then)
Yes,
I know.
I am a dangerous man.
Good.
That is what I wanted.                             
https://youtu.be/cxKUupk0kbY

   

ok. Hi handsome!    
 

sootedupCyndi » 30 Jul 2023, 2:14 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 2:14 pm

YES!!!! OH GOD you are so smart!!!!!!!!
nobody knows this sheet but us- and half the time- i can't remember IT! xo xo!
its obscure!     

I spent over 10 years debating 9/11 ...ad infinitum. ....
There is not much I don't know about that day .....and back then there was two camps Americans whom wanted to know the truth because way too many people saw through the facade which the official story was....
And the Debunkers whom showed up everywhere online where Americans discussed their theories ......and tried to disrupt and dissuade those Americans much like many in this thread are now trying to do .....



 

Majik » 30 Jul 2023, 2:42 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 2:42 pm

I spent over 10 years debating 9/11 ...ad infinitum. ....
There is not much I don't know about that day .....and back then there was two camps Americans whom wanted to know the truth because way too many people saw through the facade which the official story was....
And the Debunkers whom showed up everywhere online where Americans discussed their theories ......and tried to disrupt and dissuade those Americans much like many in this thread are now trying to do .....

I can not believe you remember her name!
good memory~
I know- I was there- all ears at the time!
 

sootedupCyndi » 30 Jul 2023, 2:45 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 2:45 pm

I can not believe you remember her name!
good memory~
I know- I was there- all ears at the time!

Bright mind.
Steel backbone.
Bowdoin College professor.
Brunswick.

We don't need trash.........we need steel.
Women..........like you.               
https://youtu.be/HKlOLyYs3Os