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Vegas » 30 Jul 2023, 2:17 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 2:17 pm

The collapse of building 7 should be enough to, at the very least, question the whole 9/11 official report. At least be sparked to ask questions. But some don't want even to do that.

There is so many questionable  aspects of that day that should make anybody question the entire official report .....
like for instance how did an aluminum plane breach 9 very thick and reinforced  concrete walls at the pentagon when the second the plane hit the cabin pressure would have been released and the plane would have crumpled ....according to many structural engineers whom have questioned the official story....

sootedupCyndi » 30 Jul 2023, 2:45 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 2:45 pm

I can not believe you remember her name!
good memory~
I know- I was there- all ears at the time!

I remember her because Thomas  Bearden the father of the HAARP project mentioned her many times in his studies ....
And also in many of his books on Zero point energy and directed energy weapons ....
 

Majik » 30 Jul 2023, 3:10 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 3:10 pm

I remember her because Thomas  Bearden the father of the HAARP project mentioned her many times in his studies ....
And also in many of his books on Zero point energy and directed energy weapons ....

she was  brilliant.
takes a brilliant person to recognize another.      

Majik » 30 Jul 2023, 3:02 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 3:02 pm

There is so many questionable  aspects of that day that should make anybody question the entire official report .....
like for instance how did an aluminum plane breach 9 very thick and reinforced  concrete walls at the pentagon when the second the plane hit the cabin pressure would have been released and the plane would have crumpled ....according to many structural engineers whom have questioned the official story....

The plane was full of fuel and had a max take off weight of 255,000 pounds.

Let’s say it only weighed 100 tons, 200,000 pounds.

Radar clocked the descending plane at 530 miles an hour.

—-Based on the general equation for kinetic energy, Ek=½mv2, which directly uses mass (m) and velocity (v), the following formula is used to calculate the kinetic energy of a projectile (expressed in foot-pounds): E=(W*V2)/(14000*gc). In this formula, W = weight of projectile, in grains; V = velocity, in feet per second; gc= gravitational constant, 32.174 ft/s2
—-

There are 7000 grains per pound times 200,000=

 2,4 and 9 zeros 24 000 000 000

TIMES 

530 miles an hour is 777 feet per second, same as  a 44 Special pistol bullet 

Flight 77 had many trillions of foot pounds of energy.
 

Bruce » 30 Jul 2023, 3:18 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 3:18 pm

The plane was full of fuel and had a max take off weight of 255,000 pounds.

Let’s say it only weighed 100 tons, 200,000 pounds.

Radar clocked the descending plane at 530 miles an hour.

—-Based on the general equation for kinetic energy, Ek=½mv2, which directly uses mass (m) and velocity (v), the following formula is used to calculate the kinetic energy of a projectile (expressed in foot-pounds): E=(W*V2)/(14000*gc). In this formula, W = weight of projectile, in grains; V = velocity, in feet per second; gc= gravitational constant, 32.174 ft/s2
—-

There are 7000 grains per pound times 200,000=

 2.4 to the ninth power 

Flight 77 had many trillions of foot pounds of energy.

Lol.
well Bruce you need to explain how all of those many trillions of foot pounds of energy when released on impact only made a small circular hole going through 9 walls of very thick reinforced concrete that was engineered to withstand large explosive blasts from the outside of the pentagon.
and that massive energy would have been transfered to the entire structure upon impact with a hell of a lot more damage than the small circular hole ....



 

Bruce » 30 Jul 2023, 2:32 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 2:32 pm

No, read closer.

We knew who all the dead Americans were.  We got DNA from American relatives.

When they were done identifying dead Americans, there were five rag heads left over.

The rag heads families were over across the briny foam, and not cooperative anyway. 

Hey, Osama bin Laden caught us asleep.

19 men bought 19 plane tickets, and turned 4 of our own jetliners into the most powerful cruise missiles in world history.

He might have spent $500,000

It took the Japanese twenty years to build the fleet Thant bombed Pearl Harbor.

They didn't need relatives. The pilots learned here in the states. They had to have taken routine drug testing or other tests. They also knew where these hijackers stayed right before the attacks. They could have easily backtracked to their hotel rooms and obtain samples of their DNA...maybe semen from jacking off to beastiality porn or whatever. 

Vegas » 30 Jul 2023, 1:28 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 1:28 pm

Wait.....read the last sentence I bolded. The victims were identified through DNA, but not the hijackers?

Okey doke.

          Yes, that's correct.....
 The victims of Flight 77 and the 125 people working in the Pentagon that day were identified through DNA... The DNA samples were provided by their families / loved ones....  At the time, The 9/11 Terrorists were identified through a process of elimination because they were not provided DNA samples from the Hijacker's relatives for identification... In the subsequent years I believe bone and body fragments of some of the Hijackers were identified by matching DNA profiles from samples collected in hotels and other lodgings where the Terrorists were known to have stayed.... 

Majik » 30 Jul 2023, 3:30 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 3:30 pm

Lol.
well Bruce you need to explain how all of those many trillions of foot pounds of energy when released on impact only made a small circular hole going through 9 walls of very thick reinforced concrete that was engineered to withstand large explosive blasts from the outside of the pentagon.
and that massive energy would have been transfered to the entire structure upon impact with a hell of a lot more damage than the small circular hole ....

From about 1906 until 1945 the navies of the world, made over 100 big gun fast battleships and battle cruisers with naval rifles from 11 to 18 inches.

Each dreadnaught had at least 6 11” guns and the biggest was the Yamamoto with 9 18” guns.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/46_cm/4 ... _naval_gun

The largest shell 18 inch shell Yamato  fired was almost 3,000 pounds, at 2,600 feet per second.

All those shells from all those big guns were just tested almost to death.

They knew exactly how many feet of concrete or inches of steel they’d penetrate.

The diameter of the fuselage of a 757 is 12.5 feet, or 150 inches.

Look at the Pentagon to see exactly how many feet of concrete a 150 inch, 200,000 pound shell at 777 feet penetrates.
 

Kobia2 » 30 Jul 2023, 3:55 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 3:55 pm

           In the subsequent years I believe bone and body fragments of some of the Hijackers were identified by matching DNA profiles from samples collected in hotels and other lodgings where the Terrorists were known to have stayed.... 

Subsequent years later? They didn't think about doing that asap?

Z09 » 30 Jul 2023, 3:22 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 3:22 pm

Tell us..

What happened to the plane?

Well...it'snot at the Pentagon and it never flew in the air on that day. I would say the powers that be dismantled it themselves somewhere. 

Vegas » 30 Jul 2023, 4:01 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 4:01 pm

Well...it'snot at the Pentagon and it never flew in the air on that day. I would say the powers that be dismantled it themselves somewhere.

What about all the American passengers identified by their relatives DNA and matched up, plus five extra camel jockeys?

Bruce » 30 Jul 2023, 4:05 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 4:05 pm

What about all the American passengers identified by their relatives DNA and matched up, plus five extra camel jockeys?

The camel jockeys didn't have DNA to match up, per your own article. 

I don't believe there were passengers or families. This was a narrative and you  are trusting that the people telling this narrative are being truthful. There two entities involved in the telling of this narrative: 
1. The government
2. Scientists. 

Okay, well as for the first, it shouldn't surprise a soul that the government would lie about something and everything. It's just what they do. 

As for the second. This is where it gets more sad and pathetic. Scientists, many scientists (not just a handful) have already demonstrated that they are willing to sell out, if needed. How many scientists have sold out in the global warming hoax? How many have sold out in the covid hoax? How many have sold out in the opioid crisis to big Pharma? Now in modern times, the current sell outs are the docs encouraging children and their parents to transition. 

We are supposed to trust these people. But we can't. 

 

Vegas » 30 Jul 2023, 4:14 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 4:14 pm

The camel jockeys didn't have DNA to match up, per your own article. 

I don't believe there were passengers or families. This was a narrative and you  are trusting that the people telling this narrative are being truthful. There two entities involved in the telling of this narrative: 
1. The government
2. Scientists. 

Okay, well as for the first, it shouldn't surprise a soul that the government would lie about something and everything. It's just what they do. 

As for the second. This is where it gets more sad and pathetic. Scientists, many scientists (not just a handful) have already demonstrated that they are willing to sell out, if needed. How many scientists have sold out in the global warming hoax? How many have sold out in the covid hoax? How many have sold out in the opioid crisis to big Pharma? Now in modern times, the current sell outs are the docs encouraging children and their parents to transition. 

We are supposed to trust these people. But we can't.

Well, here is what that conspiracy cover up, would need to suppress.

First, dispose of a hundred million dollar jetliner

Then dispose of 6 crew, 58 passengers, 5 rag heads

Fabricate 63 ticket sales 

Arrange for 64 fake funeral services and 64 fake obituaries published in newspapers and pay off all the grieving kinfolks, many hundreds of them, to keep quiet.

Plus notify the families of five camel jockeys their boys died in the most successful sneak attack since Pearl Harbor.

America is the first of first world nations.

We make lots of records.

Vegas » 30 Jul 2023, 4:01 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 4:01 pm

Well...it'snot at the Pentagon and it never flew in the air on that day. I would say the powers that be dismantled it themselves somewhere.

               And again.... Just a few things for your assertion that Flight 77 never flew that day to be true ---

1.  American Airlines would be complicit in the 9/11 Terror attacks for claiming the existence of Flight 77.
2.  All the passengers who booked tickets, were transported to Dulles International Airport by friends, family, colleagues, Taxi or by themselves never did so, or these people simply never existed. 
3.  All American Airlines Terminal employees who checked in the Passengers & baggage of Flight 77 never did so.
4.  Any & all American Airlines scheduling records which gave the identities of the Captain & Crew of Flight 77 were falsified.
5.  All the Baggage handlers who loaded the Plane with the personal luggage of the Flight 77 Passengers never did so.
6. Airlines Grounds Crew performing their pre-flight duties that morning for American Airlines Flight 77 are lying if claiming they did so.
7. Video footage of all 5 Al Qaeda Terrorists entering the American Airlines Terminal at Dulles IA on the morning of 9/11 was faked.
9. Air Traffic Controllers at Dulles IA who logged Flight 77, communicated with the Plane's Captain, and cleared the Plane for takeoff are also complicit in the 9/11 terror attack.
10. The Airphone call from Flight Attendant Betty Ong who called American Airlines on the ground to report the Flight she was on (77) had been hijacked shortly after takeoff, and that passengers & crew had been herded to the back of the Aircraft. It's a pretty sure bet Ms. Ong would be able to confirm the Aircraft was indeed airborne... 
11. The 2 Airphone calls from well known Conservative author, political pundit & TV analyst Barbara Olson to her husband Solicitor General Ted Olson informing him of the Hijacking never happened --- which would make Ted complicit in his own wife's murder. Barbara also might have looked out the plane's window and noticed clouds, which would indicate the Plane was in fact flying that day. 

 

Z09 » 30 Jul 2023, 5:23 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 5:23 pm

Very good..
Ong was on 11 though..

    You're correct..... than you

Bruce » 30 Jul 2023, 3:57 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 3:57 pm

From about 1906 until 1945 the navies of the world, made over 100 big gun fast battleships and battle cruisers with naval rifles from 11 to 18 inches.

Each dreadnaught had at least 6 11” guns and the biggest was the Yamamoto with 9 18” guns.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/46_cm/4 ... _naval_gun

The largest shell 18 inch shell Yamato  fired was almost 3,000 pounds, at 2,600 feet per second.

All those shells from all those big guns were just tested almost to death.

They knew exactly how many feet of concrete or inches of steel they’d penetrate.

The diameter of the fuselage of a 757 is 12.5 feet, or 150 inches.

Look at the Pentagon to see exactly how many feet of concrete a 150 inch, 200,000 pound shell at 777 feet penetrates.

Hahahaha.
now add in the 4 inch Kevlar mesh that encompassed the pentagon in 2001 .....
and see where that gets you.....
you Crack me up.....lol.
 

Z09 » 30 Jul 2023, 5:45 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 5:45 pm

So the plane never left the airport..

How could they find so many people that said they saw an American Airlines jet flying low right before a massive explosion?

At least 800 people must be involved in the planning

      And that list is growing....
There was a Minnesota Air Guard C-130 flying in the vicinity that day which departed from Andrews Air Force Base piloted by Lt. Colonel Steven O'Brien... He saw Flight 77 cross in front of his path, and eventually explode on the ground --- as O'Brien got closer to the explosion site on the ground, he could see it was the Pentagon that the Plane hit... So now we can add the Minnesota Air National Guard to the list of 9/11 conspirators... 

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J60M4DTb7xU

        
          

Bruce » 30 Jul 2023, 4:29 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 4:29 pm

Well, here is what that conspiracy cover up, would need to suppress.

First, dispose of a hundred million dollar jetliner

Then dispose of 6 crew, 58 passengers, 5 rag heads

Fabricate 63 ticket sales 

Arrange for 64 fake funeral services and 64 fake obituaries published in newspapers and pay off all the grieving kinfolks, many hundreds of them, to keep quiet.

Plus notify the families of five camel jockeys their boys died in the most successful sneak attack since Pearl Harbor.

America is the first of first world nations.

We make lots of records.

Easily done especially in 2001 ......

 

Kobia2 » 30 Jul 2023, 6:10 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 6:10 pm

      And that list is growing....
There was a Minnesota Air Guard C-130 flying in the vicinity that day which departed from Andrews Air Force Base piloted by Lt. Colonel Steven O'Brien... He saw Flight 77 cross in front of his path, and eventually explode on the ground --- as O'Brien got closer to the explosion site on the ground, he could see it was the Pentagon that the Plane hit... So now we can add the Minnesota Air National Guard to the list of 9/11 conspirators... 

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J60M4DTb7xU

        

No, what he saw because of the poor visibility of that day was something resembling an Aircraft that was painted in the same colors as what hit the Pentagon..



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Z09 » 30 Jul 2023, 5:28 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 5:28 pm

My entire argument in this debate is the number of people that would have to be part of it...

We're talking into the hundreds....

Now the plane was disassembled...?

Where could that happen without someone asking questions?

No, the real question is how can otherwise normal, rational, fact seeking human adults not believe this is real.  18 views of plane 2 hitting the South Tower

https://youtu.be/7YLm3pkAiJQ

So if one plane is real, the other three are real.

That’s called deductive reasoning.  It’s better than scientific proof.