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Bruce » 30 Jul 2023, 4:05 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 4:05 pm

What about all the American passengers identified by their relatives DNA and matched up, plus five extra camel jockeys?

The camel jockeys didn't have DNA to match up, per your own article. 

I don't believe there were passengers or families. This was a narrative and you  are trusting that the people telling this narrative are being truthful. There two entities involved in the telling of this narrative: 
1. The government
2. Scientists. 

Okay, well as for the first, it shouldn't surprise a soul that the government would lie about something and everything. It's just what they do. 

As for the second. This is where it gets more sad and pathetic. Scientists, many scientists (not just a handful) have already demonstrated that they are willing to sell out, if needed. How many scientists have sold out in the global warming hoax? How many have sold out in the covid hoax? How many have sold out in the opioid crisis to big Pharma? Now in modern times, the current sell outs are the docs encouraging children and their parents to transition. 

We are supposed to trust these people. But we can't. 

 

Vegas » 30 Jul 2023, 4:14 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 4:14 pm

The camel jockeys didn't have DNA to match up, per your own article. 

I don't believe there were passengers or families. This was a narrative and you  are trusting that the people telling this narrative are being truthful. There two entities involved in the telling of this narrative: 
1. The government
2. Scientists. 

Okay, well as for the first, it shouldn't surprise a soul that the government would lie about something and everything. It's just what they do. 

As for the second. This is where it gets more sad and pathetic. Scientists, many scientists (not just a handful) have already demonstrated that they are willing to sell out, if needed. How many scientists have sold out in the global warming hoax? How many have sold out in the covid hoax? How many have sold out in the opioid crisis to big Pharma? Now in modern times, the current sell outs are the docs encouraging children and their parents to transition. 

We are supposed to trust these people. But we can't.

Well, here is what that conspiracy cover up, would need to suppress.

First, dispose of a hundred million dollar jetliner

Then dispose of 6 crew, 58 passengers, 5 rag heads

Fabricate 63 ticket sales 

Arrange for 64 fake funeral services and 64 fake obituaries published in newspapers and pay off all the grieving kinfolks, many hundreds of them, to keep quiet.

Plus notify the families of five camel jockeys their boys died in the most successful sneak attack since Pearl Harbor.

America is the first of first world nations.

We make lots of records.

Vegas » 30 Jul 2023, 4:01 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 4:01 pm

Well...it'snot at the Pentagon and it never flew in the air on that day. I would say the powers that be dismantled it themselves somewhere.

               And again.... Just a few things for your assertion that Flight 77 never flew that day to be true ---

1.  American Airlines would be complicit in the 9/11 Terror attacks for claiming the existence of Flight 77.
2.  All the passengers who booked tickets, were transported to Dulles International Airport by friends, family, colleagues, Taxi or by themselves never did so, or these people simply never existed. 
3.  All American Airlines Terminal employees who checked in the Passengers & baggage of Flight 77 never did so.
4.  Any & all American Airlines scheduling records which gave the identities of the Captain & Crew of Flight 77 were falsified.
5.  All the Baggage handlers who loaded the Plane with the personal luggage of the Flight 77 Passengers never did so.
6. Airlines Grounds Crew performing their pre-flight duties that morning for American Airlines Flight 77 are lying if claiming they did so.
7. Video footage of all 5 Al Qaeda Terrorists entering the American Airlines Terminal at Dulles IA on the morning of 9/11 was faked.
9. Air Traffic Controllers at Dulles IA who logged Flight 77, communicated with the Plane's Captain, and cleared the Plane for takeoff are also complicit in the 9/11 terror attack.
10. The Airphone call from Flight Attendant Betty Ong who called American Airlines on the ground to report the Flight she was on (77) had been hijacked shortly after takeoff, and that passengers & crew had been herded to the back of the Aircraft. It's a pretty sure bet Ms. Ong would be able to confirm the Aircraft was indeed airborne... 
11. The 2 Airphone calls from well known Conservative author, political pundit & TV analyst Barbara Olson to her husband Solicitor General Ted Olson informing him of the Hijacking never happened --- which would make Ted complicit in his own wife's murder. Barbara also might have looked out the plane's window and noticed clouds, which would indicate the Plane was in fact flying that day. 

 

Z09 » 30 Jul 2023, 5:23 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 5:23 pm

Very good..
Ong was on 11 though..

    You're correct..... than you

Bruce » 30 Jul 2023, 3:57 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 3:57 pm

From about 1906 until 1945 the navies of the world, made over 100 big gun fast battleships and battle cruisers with naval rifles from 11 to 18 inches.

Each dreadnaught had at least 6 11” guns and the biggest was the Yamamoto with 9 18” guns.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/46_cm/4 ... _naval_gun

The largest shell 18 inch shell Yamato  fired was almost 3,000 pounds, at 2,600 feet per second.

All those shells from all those big guns were just tested almost to death.

They knew exactly how many feet of concrete or inches of steel they’d penetrate.

The diameter of the fuselage of a 757 is 12.5 feet, or 150 inches.

Look at the Pentagon to see exactly how many feet of concrete a 150 inch, 200,000 pound shell at 777 feet penetrates.

Hahahaha.
now add in the 4 inch Kevlar mesh that encompassed the pentagon in 2001 .....
and see where that gets you.....
you Crack me up.....lol.
 

Z09 » 30 Jul 2023, 5:45 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 5:45 pm

So the plane never left the airport..

How could they find so many people that said they saw an American Airlines jet flying low right before a massive explosion?

At least 800 people must be involved in the planning

      And that list is growing....
There was a Minnesota Air Guard C-130 flying in the vicinity that day which departed from Andrews Air Force Base piloted by Lt. Colonel Steven O'Brien... He saw Flight 77 cross in front of his path, and eventually explode on the ground --- as O'Brien got closer to the explosion site on the ground, he could see it was the Pentagon that the Plane hit... So now we can add the Minnesota Air National Guard to the list of 9/11 conspirators... 

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J60M4DTb7xU

        
          

Bruce » 30 Jul 2023, 4:29 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 4:29 pm

Well, here is what that conspiracy cover up, would need to suppress.

First, dispose of a hundred million dollar jetliner

Then dispose of 6 crew, 58 passengers, 5 rag heads

Fabricate 63 ticket sales 

Arrange for 64 fake funeral services and 64 fake obituaries published in newspapers and pay off all the grieving kinfolks, many hundreds of them, to keep quiet.

Plus notify the families of five camel jockeys their boys died in the most successful sneak attack since Pearl Harbor.

America is the first of first world nations.

We make lots of records.

Easily done especially in 2001 ......

 

Kobia2 » 30 Jul 2023, 6:10 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 6:10 pm

      And that list is growing....
There was a Minnesota Air Guard C-130 flying in the vicinity that day which departed from Andrews Air Force Base piloted by Lt. Colonel Steven O'Brien... He saw Flight 77 cross in front of his path, and eventually explode on the ground --- as O'Brien got closer to the explosion site on the ground, he could see it was the Pentagon that the Plane hit... So now we can add the Minnesota Air National Guard to the list of 9/11 conspirators... 

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J60M4DTb7xU

        

No, what he saw because of the poor visibility of that day was something resembling an Aircraft that was painted in the same colors as what hit the Pentagon..



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Z09 » 30 Jul 2023, 5:28 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 5:28 pm

My entire argument in this debate is the number of people that would have to be part of it...

We're talking into the hundreds....

Now the plane was disassembled...?

Where could that happen without someone asking questions?

No, the real question is how can otherwise normal, rational, fact seeking human adults not believe this is real.  18 views of plane 2 hitting the South Tower

https://youtu.be/7YLm3pkAiJQ

So if one plane is real, the other three are real.

That’s called deductive reasoning.  It’s better than scientific proof.  

Z09 » 30 Jul 2023, 6:17 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 6:17 pm

What happened to the plane?

Well, there was once a plane,  it’s gone now.

But we all know what happened, to one plane, out of four missing planes.

https://youtu.be/7YLm3pkAiJQ
 

Z09 » 30 Jul 2023, 6:23 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 6:23 pm

During this 37 page debate I've heard one idea what happened to the plane...

It was disassembled?
Sounds kinda ridiculous

You cannot prove evil deep state agents did not whisk flight 93 away.  There’s no footage of the plane, only phone calls, ticket sales, 64 missing crew and passengers plus five rag heads gone someplace.

But there is footage of one plane, out of four missing planes.

It’s kind of like Dallas   Oswald shot three times.

The head shot hit!

https://youtu.be/_0-yOa5sSg0

Majik » 30 Jul 2023, 6:09 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 6:09 pm

Hahahaha.
now add in the 4 inch Kevlar mesh that encompassed the pentagon in 2001 .....
and see where that gets you.....
you Crack me up.....lol.

           The "Geo-Technical" Mesh, which had been part of a recent security renovation enhancement before 9/11 was wrapped around the steel support beams within structure--- not around the exterior walls... The Mesh is credited with preventing the portion of the building where the Plane hit from collapsing... Your assertion this Mesh encompassed (meaning the whole structure) the Pentagon is wrong... The point of impact on the building was known as "Wedge 1"... This is one of the few, sections of the building which had completed renovations to have this reinforcement Mesh and 1600 lb Impact Windows installed.... 

            https://www.canadianconsultingengineer. ... agon-9-11/

 Originally completed in January 1943, the building was undergoing a major renovation at the time of the terrorist attack. The renovation of “Wedge 1,” which happened to coincide with the location of the aircraft impact, had been essentially completed by September 11, 2001. It is believed that this is one reason why the damage to the building was not more extensive. While most of the renovations had been for items such as new elevators, mechanical and electrical equipment and utility tunnels, the exterior walls and windows had been upgraded to increase their resistance to extreme pressure. The upgrades included the addition of structural steel framing on the inside of the existing exterior wall, the replacement of the existing windows with 1,600 lbs. blast resistant windows, and the addition of a “geo-technical mesh” that was stretched and fastened to the inside of the structural steel framing.

             https://issuu.com/faircountmedia/docs/7 ... ne/s/59845

    By the time of the 1998 reboot, additional concerns had to be addressed in the Pentagon’s renovation. The building had always been remarkably open for a military headquarters, prompting vague security concerns that became increasingly specific as the project took shape.
While the exterior walls of the Pentagon retained their familiar shape and character, the interior was almost entirely gutted and rebuilt from the basement up to the top floor. Even the windows were replaced with blastresistant versions.

Kobia2 » 30 Jul 2023, 5:16 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 5:16 pm

               And again.... Just a few things for your assertion that Flight 77 never flew that day to be true ---

1.  American Airlines would be complicit in the 9/11 Terror attacks for claiming the existence of Flight 77.
2.  All the passengers who booked tickets, were transported to Dulles International Airport by friends, family, colleagues, Taxi or by themselves never did so, or these people simply never existed. 
3.  All American Airlines Terminal employees who checked in the Passengers & baggage of Flight 77 never did so.
4.  Any & all American Airlines scheduling records which gave the identities of the Captain & Crew of Flight 77 were falsified.
5.  All the Baggage handlers who loaded the Plane with the personal luggage of the Flight 77 Passengers never did so.
6. Airlines Grounds Crew performing their pre-flight duties that morning for American Airlines Flight 77 are lying if claiming they did so.
7. Video footage of all 5 Al Qaeda Terrorists entering the American Airlines Terminal at Dulles IA on the morning of 9/11 was faked.
9. Air Traffic Controllers at Dulles IA who logged Flight 77, communicated with the Plane's Captain, and cleared the Plane for takeoff are also complicit in the 9/11 terror attack.
10. The Airphone call from Flight Attendant Betty Ong who called American Airlines on the ground to report the Flight she was on (77) had been hijacked shortly after takeoff, and that passengers & crew had been herded to the back of the Aircraft. It's a pretty sure bet Ms. Ong would be able to confirm the Aircraft was indeed airborne... 
11. The 2 Airphone calls from well known Conservative author, political pundit & TV analyst Barbara Olson to her husband Solicitor General Ted Olson informing him of the Hijacking never happened --- which would make Ted complicit in his own wife's murder. Barbara also might have looked out the plane's window and noticed clouds, which would indicate the Plane was in fact flying that day. 

Per the official report from our beloved government ^^^. Our government is always truthful and would never lie. 

None of this accounts for why there was no plane at the pentagon. I already went over the pics you provided. 

Z09 » 30 Jul 2023, 4:57 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 4:57 pm

The original plane was dismantled?

What happened to the passengers and crew?
And what about the phone calls from the plane?

Probably.
There weren't any. 
There weren't any.

Bruce » 30 Jul 2023, 4:29 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 4:29 pm

First, dispose of a hundred million dollar jetliner


 

Have you seen the waste that our government is capable of? Take one look at the plane graveyards from past military manufacturing. Most of them never even flew, yet they were thrown away. It's not hard. 

Then dispose of 6 crew, 58 passengers, 5 rag heads

They never existed. 

Fabricate 63 ticket sales 

As if fabricating paperwork of any kind is really that hard for our government. They do it with passports all the time. 

Arrange for 64 fake funeral services and 64 fake obituaries published in newspapers and pay off all the grieving kinfolks, many hundreds of them, to keep quiet.

Again. Not hard. As far as the grieving kinfolks, there weren't any. 

Plus notify the families of five camel jockeys their boys died in the most successful sneak attack since Pearl Harbor.

There weren't any.

America is the first of first world nations.

So?

 

Z09 » 30 Jul 2023, 6:40 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 6:40 pm

What happened to all the people on the plane?
They were dropped off at the airport and then....

..??

What happened to the flight crew?
Passengers...?

There weren't any. 
There weren't any. 
and there weren't any. 

I am sensing a pattern here, are you yet?

Z09 » 30 Jul 2023, 6:33 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 6:33 pm

I shouldn't have to prove it wasn't whisked away...

Someone should prove it was

Really?

Were you there, when they nailed Him to the Cross?

We can summon Willie Nelson playing Trigger, to prove it happened.

https://youtu.be/63ryAyfteRo

And you’ll never prove they didn’t use nails.

To make sure the entire world believes the truth, you can’t leave one Doubting Thomas.

Z09 » 30 Jul 2023, 6:57 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 6:57 pm

So what happened to all the people that were brought to tha airport that day?

And the flight crew?

If you are referring to the passengers, then...wait for it....wait for it...drum roll.....there weren't any. 

FIND ANOTHER useless theory to discuss such *** Supply Side Economics which quickly became Reaganomics which quickly became Wreckanomics which quickly began getting laughed off the economic
stage........ The Laffer Curve

Time Magazine

Aug 9, 2012 — The consensus? Laffer seems to have forgotten, or ignored, some pretty basic concepts in economics. In other words, Laffer is getting laughed off the economic stage.
https://business.time.com/2012/08/09/ar ... is-a-foul/
 
 

razoo » 30 Jul 2023, 7:00 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 7:00 pm

FIND ANOTHER useless theory to discuss such *** Supply Side Economics which quickly became Reaganomics which quickly became Wreckanomics which quickly began getting laughed off the economic
stage........ The Laffer Curve

Time Magazine
https://business.time.com › 2012/08/09 › arthur-laffers...
Aug 9, 2012 — The consensus? Laffer seems to have forgotten, or ignored, some pretty basic concepts in economics. In other words, Laffer is getting laughed ..

I think you meant to post this on another thread.