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Z09 » 30 Jul 2023, 6:17 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 6:17 pm

What happened to the plane?

Well, there was once a plane,  it’s gone now.

But we all know what happened, to one plane, out of four missing planes.

https://youtu.be/7YLm3pkAiJQ
 

Z09 » 30 Jul 2023, 6:23 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 6:23 pm

During this 37 page debate I've heard one idea what happened to the plane...

It was disassembled?
Sounds kinda ridiculous

You cannot prove evil deep state agents did not whisk flight 93 away.  There’s no footage of the plane, only phone calls, ticket sales, 64 missing crew and passengers plus five rag heads gone someplace.

But there is footage of one plane, out of four missing planes.

It’s kind of like Dallas   Oswald shot three times.

The head shot hit!

https://youtu.be/_0-yOa5sSg0

Majik » 30 Jul 2023, 6:09 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 6:09 pm

Hahahaha.
now add in the 4 inch Kevlar mesh that encompassed the pentagon in 2001 .....
and see where that gets you.....
you Crack me up.....lol.

           The "Geo-Technical" Mesh, which had been part of a recent security renovation enhancement before 9/11 was wrapped around the steel support beams within structure--- not around the exterior walls... The Mesh is credited with preventing the portion of the building where the Plane hit from collapsing... Your assertion this Mesh encompassed (meaning the whole structure) the Pentagon is wrong... The point of impact on the building was known as "Wedge 1"... This is one of the few, sections of the building which had completed renovations to have this reinforcement Mesh and 1600 lb Impact Windows installed.... 

            https://www.canadianconsultingengineer. ... agon-9-11/

 Originally completed in January 1943, the building was undergoing a major renovation at the time of the terrorist attack. The renovation of “Wedge 1,” which happened to coincide with the location of the aircraft impact, had been essentially completed by September 11, 2001. It is believed that this is one reason why the damage to the building was not more extensive. While most of the renovations had been for items such as new elevators, mechanical and electrical equipment and utility tunnels, the exterior walls and windows had been upgraded to increase their resistance to extreme pressure. The upgrades included the addition of structural steel framing on the inside of the existing exterior wall, the replacement of the existing windows with 1,600 lbs. blast resistant windows, and the addition of a “geo-technical mesh” that was stretched and fastened to the inside of the structural steel framing.

             https://issuu.com/faircountmedia/docs/7 ... ne/s/59845

    By the time of the 1998 reboot, additional concerns had to be addressed in the Pentagon’s renovation. The building had always been remarkably open for a military headquarters, prompting vague security concerns that became increasingly specific as the project took shape.
While the exterior walls of the Pentagon retained their familiar shape and character, the interior was almost entirely gutted and rebuilt from the basement up to the top floor. Even the windows were replaced with blastresistant versions.

Kobia2 » 30 Jul 2023, 5:16 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 5:16 pm

               And again.... Just a few things for your assertion that Flight 77 never flew that day to be true ---

1.  American Airlines would be complicit in the 9/11 Terror attacks for claiming the existence of Flight 77.
2.  All the passengers who booked tickets, were transported to Dulles International Airport by friends, family, colleagues, Taxi or by themselves never did so, or these people simply never existed. 
3.  All American Airlines Terminal employees who checked in the Passengers & baggage of Flight 77 never did so.
4.  Any & all American Airlines scheduling records which gave the identities of the Captain & Crew of Flight 77 were falsified.
5.  All the Baggage handlers who loaded the Plane with the personal luggage of the Flight 77 Passengers never did so.
6. Airlines Grounds Crew performing their pre-flight duties that morning for American Airlines Flight 77 are lying if claiming they did so.
7. Video footage of all 5 Al Qaeda Terrorists entering the American Airlines Terminal at Dulles IA on the morning of 9/11 was faked.
9. Air Traffic Controllers at Dulles IA who logged Flight 77, communicated with the Plane's Captain, and cleared the Plane for takeoff are also complicit in the 9/11 terror attack.
10. The Airphone call from Flight Attendant Betty Ong who called American Airlines on the ground to report the Flight she was on (77) had been hijacked shortly after takeoff, and that passengers & crew had been herded to the back of the Aircraft. It's a pretty sure bet Ms. Ong would be able to confirm the Aircraft was indeed airborne... 
11. The 2 Airphone calls from well known Conservative author, political pundit & TV analyst Barbara Olson to her husband Solicitor General Ted Olson informing him of the Hijacking never happened --- which would make Ted complicit in his own wife's murder. Barbara also might have looked out the plane's window and noticed clouds, which would indicate the Plane was in fact flying that day. 

Per the official report from our beloved government ^^^. Our government is always truthful and would never lie. 

None of this accounts for why there was no plane at the pentagon. I already went over the pics you provided. 

Z09 » 30 Jul 2023, 4:57 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 4:57 pm

The original plane was dismantled?

What happened to the passengers and crew?
And what about the phone calls from the plane?

Probably.
There weren't any. 
There weren't any.

Bruce » 30 Jul 2023, 4:29 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 4:29 pm

First, dispose of a hundred million dollar jetliner


 

Have you seen the waste that our government is capable of? Take one look at the plane graveyards from past military manufacturing. Most of them never even flew, yet they were thrown away. It's not hard. 

Then dispose of 6 crew, 58 passengers, 5 rag heads

They never existed. 

Fabricate 63 ticket sales 

As if fabricating paperwork of any kind is really that hard for our government. They do it with passports all the time. 

Arrange for 64 fake funeral services and 64 fake obituaries published in newspapers and pay off all the grieving kinfolks, many hundreds of them, to keep quiet.

Again. Not hard. As far as the grieving kinfolks, there weren't any. 

Plus notify the families of five camel jockeys their boys died in the most successful sneak attack since Pearl Harbor.

There weren't any.

America is the first of first world nations.

So?

 

Z09 » 30 Jul 2023, 6:40 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 6:40 pm

What happened to all the people on the plane?
They were dropped off at the airport and then....

..??

What happened to the flight crew?
Passengers...?

There weren't any. 
There weren't any. 
and there weren't any. 

I am sensing a pattern here, are you yet?

Z09 » 30 Jul 2023, 6:33 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 6:33 pm

I shouldn't have to prove it wasn't whisked away...

Someone should prove it was

Really?

Were you there, when they nailed Him to the Cross?

We can summon Willie Nelson playing Trigger, to prove it happened.

https://youtu.be/63ryAyfteRo

And you’ll never prove they didn’t use nails.

To make sure the entire world believes the truth, you can’t leave one Doubting Thomas.

Z09 » 30 Jul 2023, 6:57 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 6:57 pm

So what happened to all the people that were brought to tha airport that day?

And the flight crew?

If you are referring to the passengers, then...wait for it....wait for it...drum roll.....there weren't any. 

FIND ANOTHER useless theory to discuss such *** Supply Side Economics which quickly became Reaganomics which quickly became Wreckanomics which quickly began getting laughed off the economic
stage........ The Laffer Curve

Time Magazine

Aug 9, 2012 — The consensus? Laffer seems to have forgotten, or ignored, some pretty basic concepts in economics. In other words, Laffer is getting laughed off the economic stage.
https://business.time.com/2012/08/09/ar ... is-a-foul/
 
 

razoo » 30 Jul 2023, 7:00 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 7:00 pm

FIND ANOTHER useless theory to discuss such *** Supply Side Economics which quickly became Reaganomics which quickly became Wreckanomics which quickly began getting laughed off the economic
stage........ The Laffer Curve

Time Magazine
https://business.time.com › 2012/08/09 › arthur-laffers...
Aug 9, 2012 — The consensus? Laffer seems to have forgotten, or ignored, some pretty basic concepts in economics. In other words, Laffer is getting laughed ..

I think you meant to post this on another thread. 

Majik » 30 Jul 2023, 6:14 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 6:14 pm

No, what he saw because of the poor visibility of that day was something resembling an Aircraft that was painted in the same colors as what hit the Pentagon..

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              You're dead wrong..... The weather that day for the Northeast  down to the Mid-Atlantic which included the DC area was described by Air Authorities as "Severe Clear"..... O'Brien said the Plane was within a couple of miles of his C-130 when it crossed his path... He described it as either a 757 or 767....  

               This is the same argument you used to try and discredit the Taxi driver Lloyd England -- claiming he and all the witnesses who saw American Airlines Boeing Flight 77 clip and knock down the lamp posts before impacting the Pentagon were mistake and didn't see that it was a Missile instead of an Airplane... You were wrong on that point as well.... Many if not most of the witnesses at the Pentagon who saw the Plane were civilians on the roadway running parallel to the site--- with no connection to to the government or military, as to be coerced or sworn to silence --- and from that day up to now not a single one has claimed it was a Missile and not an Aircraft. 

        
 
 
 

Vegas » 30 Jul 2023, 6:43 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 6:43 pm

Have you seen the waste that our government is capable of? Take one look at the plane graveyards from past military manufacturing. Most of them never even flew, yet they were thrown away. It's not hard. 

They never existed. 

As if fabricating paperwork of any kind is really that hard for our government. They do it with passports all the time. 

Again. Not hard. As far as the grieving kinfolks, there weren't any. 

There weren't any.

So?

Well, what about that very real plane that hit the South Tower?

Do you believe that plane was real?
 

Z09 » 30 Jul 2023, 7:02 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 7:02 pm

Something happened to these people that day...

Because they were dropped off at the airport...

You mean according to the government's official report? The government never lies, right?

Bruce » 30 Jul 2023, 7:04 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 7:04 pm

Well, what about that very real plane that hit the South Tower?

Do you believe that plane was real?

Yep. Saw both of those. 

FIND ANOTHER useless theory to discuss such *** Supply Side Economics which quickly became Reaganomics which quickly became Wreckanomics which quickly began getting laughed off the economic
stage........ The Laffer Curve

Time Magazine

Aug 9, 2012 — The consensus? Laffer seems to have forgotten, or ignored, some pretty basic concepts in economics. In other words, Laffer is getting laughed off the economic stage.
https://business.time.com/2012/08/09/ar ... is-a-foul/

Z09 » 30 Jul 2023, 7:05 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 7:05 pm

The passengers families..

Are you saying the families are lying too?

No passengers. Thus, no families. 

Vegas » 30 Jul 2023, 7:06 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 7:06 pm

Yep. Saw both of those.

There.  Those were hijacked by rag heads, right?

razoo » 30 Jul 2023, 7:07 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 7:07 pm

FIND ANOTHER useless theory to discuss such *** Supply Side Economics which quickly became Reaganomics which quickly became Wreckanomics which quickly began getting laughed off the economic
stage........ The Laffer Curve

Time Magazine

Aug 9, 2012 — The consensus? Laffer seems to have forgotten, or ignored, some pretty basic concepts in economics. In other words, Laffer is getting laughed off the economic stage.
https://business.time.com/2012/08/09/ar ... is-a-foul/9/11 hijackers were 'hiding in plain sight' before the 2001 ...

USA Today
https://www.usatoday.com › nation › 2021/09/08 › 9-...
Sep 8, 2021 — Declassified FBI documents portray the 9/11 hijackers as they lived in plain sight in northern New Jersey before the Sept. 11 attacks.


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2 decades after 9/11, the men accused of orchestrating ...PBS
https://www.pbs.org › newshour › politics › 2-decades...
Sep 9, 2022 — 11 attacks — the capture of a disheveled Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, hauled away by intelligence agents from a hideout in Rawalpindi, Pakistan. The ...



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Retracing The Story: 9/11 Hijackers In San DiegoKPBS
https://www.kpbs.org › midday-edition › 2011/09/06
Sep 6, 2011 — The 19 hijackers were trained and supported in a number of different places. Afghanistan, Germany, Florida, and right here in San Diego. The ...
 

Vegas » 30 Jul 2023, 6:35 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 6:35 pm

Per the official report from our beloved government ^^^. Our government is always truthful and would never lie. 

None of this accounts for why there was no plane at the pentagon. I already went over the pics you provided.

           Actually, 
the source of this information would have come from people aboard Flight 77 who placed the 3 sky phone calls --- 2 from Author Barbara Olson to her Husband, and the other by Flight Attendant Renee May ( I was incorrect that her last name was Ong who was on Flight 11) who called her mother and had her in turn call authorities... Sources also include American Airlines as an entity, Workers and Air Traffic Controllers at Dulles International Airport VA, and all the non Government affiliated civilians who witnessed  a commercial Airplane strike the Pentagon..... I prefer and reference this over any untrustworthy government prepared presentation of the events.