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Majik » 30 Jul 2023, 6:14 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 6:14 pm

No, what he saw because of the poor visibility of that day was something resembling an Aircraft that was painted in the same colors as what hit the Pentagon..

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              You're dead wrong..... The weather that day for the Northeast  down to the Mid-Atlantic which included the DC area was described by Air Authorities as "Severe Clear"..... O'Brien said the Plane was within a couple of miles of his C-130 when it crossed his path... He described it as either a 757 or 767....  

               This is the same argument you used to try and discredit the Taxi driver Lloyd England -- claiming he and all the witnesses who saw American Airlines Boeing Flight 77 clip and knock down the lamp posts before impacting the Pentagon were mistake and didn't see that it was a Missile instead of an Airplane... You were wrong on that point as well.... Many if not most of the witnesses at the Pentagon who saw the Plane were civilians on the roadway running parallel to the site--- with no connection to to the government or military, as to be coerced or sworn to silence --- and from that day up to now not a single one has claimed it was a Missile and not an Aircraft. 

        
 
 
 

Vegas » 30 Jul 2023, 6:43 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 6:43 pm

Have you seen the waste that our government is capable of? Take one look at the plane graveyards from past military manufacturing. Most of them never even flew, yet they were thrown away. It's not hard. 

They never existed. 

As if fabricating paperwork of any kind is really that hard for our government. They do it with passports all the time. 

Again. Not hard. As far as the grieving kinfolks, there weren't any. 

There weren't any.

So?

Well, what about that very real plane that hit the South Tower?

Do you believe that plane was real?
 

Z09 » 30 Jul 2023, 7:02 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 7:02 pm

Something happened to these people that day...

Because they were dropped off at the airport...

You mean according to the government's official report? The government never lies, right?

Bruce » 30 Jul 2023, 7:04 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 7:04 pm

Well, what about that very real plane that hit the South Tower?

Do you believe that plane was real?

Yep. Saw both of those. 

FIND ANOTHER useless theory to discuss such *** Supply Side Economics which quickly became Reaganomics which quickly became Wreckanomics which quickly began getting laughed off the economic
stage........ The Laffer Curve

Time Magazine

Aug 9, 2012 — The consensus? Laffer seems to have forgotten, or ignored, some pretty basic concepts in economics. In other words, Laffer is getting laughed off the economic stage.
https://business.time.com/2012/08/09/ar ... is-a-foul/

Z09 » 30 Jul 2023, 7:05 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 7:05 pm

The passengers families..

Are you saying the families are lying too?

No passengers. Thus, no families. 

Vegas » 30 Jul 2023, 7:06 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 7:06 pm

Yep. Saw both of those.

There.  Those were hijacked by rag heads, right?

razoo » 30 Jul 2023, 7:07 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 7:07 pm

FIND ANOTHER useless theory to discuss such *** Supply Side Economics which quickly became Reaganomics which quickly became Wreckanomics which quickly began getting laughed off the economic
stage........ The Laffer Curve

Time Magazine

Aug 9, 2012 — The consensus? Laffer seems to have forgotten, or ignored, some pretty basic concepts in economics. In other words, Laffer is getting laughed off the economic stage.
https://business.time.com/2012/08/09/ar ... is-a-foul/9/11 hijackers were 'hiding in plain sight' before the 2001 ...

USA Today
https://www.usatoday.com › nation › 2021/09/08 › 9-...
Sep 8, 2021 — Declassified FBI documents portray the 9/11 hijackers as they lived in plain sight in northern New Jersey before the Sept. 11 attacks.


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2 decades after 9/11, the men accused of orchestrating ...PBS
https://www.pbs.org › newshour › politics › 2-decades...
Sep 9, 2022 — 11 attacks — the capture of a disheveled Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, hauled away by intelligence agents from a hideout in Rawalpindi, Pakistan. The ...



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Retracing The Story: 9/11 Hijackers In San DiegoKPBS
https://www.kpbs.org › midday-edition › 2011/09/06
Sep 6, 2011 — The 19 hijackers were trained and supported in a number of different places. Afghanistan, Germany, Florida, and right here in San Diego. The ...
 

Vegas » 30 Jul 2023, 6:35 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 6:35 pm

Per the official report from our beloved government ^^^. Our government is always truthful and would never lie. 

None of this accounts for why there was no plane at the pentagon. I already went over the pics you provided.

           Actually, 
the source of this information would have come from people aboard Flight 77 who placed the 3 sky phone calls --- 2 from Author Barbara Olson to her Husband, and the other by Flight Attendant Renee May ( I was incorrect that her last name was Ong who was on Flight 11) who called her mother and had her in turn call authorities... Sources also include American Airlines as an entity, Workers and Air Traffic Controllers at Dulles International Airport VA, and all the non Government affiliated civilians who witnessed  a commercial Airplane strike the Pentagon..... I prefer and reference this over any untrustworthy government prepared presentation of the events.

           

           

Food for thought ......

First no one was sure who did it.....then suddenly names appeared = someone knew


Then the rumor was the hijackers were only interested to learning take off NOT landing. Cold hard cash was funding this


Yes the mess on capitol hill got cleaned up rapidly ==== to not reveal how vulnerable the USA national security to terrorism????????? Who knows = things were kept quiet. CENSORSHIP LIVES????

razoo » 30 Jul 2023, 7:18 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 7:18 pm

Food for thought ......

First no one was sure who did it.....then suddenly names appeared = someone knew

Then the rumor was the hijackers were only interested to learning take off NOT landing. Cold hard cash was funding this

Yes the mess on capitol hill got cleaned up rapidly ==== to not reveal how vulnerable the USA national security to terrorism????????? Who knows = things were kept quiet. CENSORSHIP LIVES????

CLINTON was watching these ****........

Why in the hell would GW Bush stop funding the surveillance?   Yes this was a **** up!!!!  He should have been
been forced to resign. Then Cheney would be in charge ====== OMFG!

Z09 » 30 Jul 2023, 7:23 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 7:23 pm

We were attacked numerous times under Clinton ..

Did you know that?

The original 9/11 deniers were all far left Bush haters.

Today most are extreme right wingers, to the right of mainstream MAGAS.

Z09 » 30 Jul 2023, 7:23 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 7:23 pm

We were attacked numerous times under Clinton ..

Did you know that?

YU are grasping for straws ......... this discussion is and has been about 9/11/01.  How many other administrations
have had to deal with ........... on shore and off shore infiltrators?

BTW can you document your position?  

Z09 » 30 Jul 2023, 7:22 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 7:22 pm

Just wondering...
If there were no passengers and no flight...

....Why would they disassemble a plane?

 Vegas is trolling you, and Kobia, and everyone else on this thread. 

Kobia2 » 27 Jul 2023, 9:18 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2023, 9:18 pm

              This is getting silly now..... There is every indication these photos were taken Sept 12th and Sept 13th from both inside & outside the crash site at the Pentagon.... Look at the source again..

     https://rense.com/general32/phot.htm

          The Pictures are cataloged & sourced as to who took them, and where they were posted... Many were taken and posted by a named photographer --- Jocelyn Augustino, a freelance photographer working closely with FEMA Disaster Responses since 1995... Over the years her photographs have been published in numerous major News & Media Outlets. 
  
       https://www.fema.gov/blog/showing-our-s ... 0reservist.
 
          More were taken by VATF-1 Workers (Virginia Task Force 1) --- a Domestic & International Disaster Response Resource trained in the with expertise in the rescue of victims from collapsed structures, following a natural or man-made catastrophic event...  

https://www.vatf1.org/

         Others were taken by photographers from nearby Military Base (Army) Fort. Belvoir 

https://www.military.com/base-guide/fort-belvoir

       Despite the destructive fire that raged inside the impact area on 9/11, pieces of debris were visible on 9/13 and 9/14, and were photographed by recovery workers. These photos clearly show pieces of landing gears, a large turbofan engine, and fuselage. The evidence inside the building is consistent with the evidence of plane wreckage outside -- indicating that a commercial airliner flew into the Pentagon on September 11th
            

None of this matters to people who think they know better.
 

razoo » 30 Jul 2023, 7:51 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 7:51 pm

YU are grasping for straws ......... this discussion is and has been about 9/11/01.  How many other administrations
have had to deal with ........... on shore and off shore infiltrators?

BTW can you document your position?

On shore and off shore infiltrators. 
And now Joe has opened the borders, and just let them all in. 

Have you heard about all the Chinese military aged men crossing our border right now?
No, I'll bet you haven't heard a word on any of your liberal "news" outlets. 
Thousands of Chinese illegally entering US at southern border
 

Osama Bin Laden did 911 - most likely.

Who trained and funded him in the 1980s.???

You people are **** morons...both left and right.

Kobia2 » 30 Jul 2023, 7:04 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 7:04 pm

              You're dead wrong..... The weather that day for the Northeast  down to the Mid-Atlantic which included the DC area was described by Air Authorities as "Severe Clear"..... O'Brien said the Plane was within a couple of miles of his C-130 when it crossed his path... He described it as either a 757 or 767....  

               This is the same argument you used to try and discredit the Taxi driver Lloyd England -- claiming he and all the witnesses who saw American Airlines Boeing Flight 77 clip and knock down the lamp posts before impacting the Pentagon were mistake and didn't see that it was a Missile instead of an Airplane... You were wrong on that point as well.... Many if not most of the witnesses at the Pentagon who saw the Plane were civilians on the roadway running parallel to the site--- with no connection to to the government or military, as to be coerced or sworn to silence --- and from that day up to now not a single one has claimed it was a Missile and not an Aircraft. 

        
 

What does"East Coast Haze" mean to you ?
which is how O'Brien described the bad visibility that day when he could not say for certain which company logo was on the plane and guessed based on what he decribed as a silver fuselage. ....

 

Rock » 30 Jul 2023, 9:35 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 9:35 pm

 Vegas is trolling you, and Kobia, and everyone else on this thread.

No, he has a sincere belief in 9/11 conspiracy theories 

golfboy » 30 Jul 2023, 9:45 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 9:45 pm

On shore and off shore infiltrators. 
And now Joe has opened the borders, and just let them all in. 

Have you heard about all the Chinese military aged men crossing our border right now?
No, I'll bet you haven't heard a word on any of your liberal "news" outlets. 
Thousands of Chinese illegally entering US at southern border

Your article 

—-A growing number of Chinese nationals are illegally entering the United States through the U.S.-Mexico border, U.S. Customs and Border Protection Protection (CBP) data shows. 
 The CBP recorded 4,271 Chinese nationals crossing the southern border between October and February, The Wall Street Journal reported. The number was more than 10 times greater than the same period the previous year.

—-

It’s public information.

Brandon’s Border Agents are harvesting a record catch of Chinamen.

Here’s why.

Over in China they believe Fox News fairy tales  the Southern boarder is wide open.

It’s not hard to hop a plane from China to Mexico.

Then the poor dumb Chinaman finds out at the border, it’s not open at all.

If he’s not familiar with an asylum request he’s on a truck back over the border in one day.