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Food for thought ......

First no one was sure who did it.....then suddenly names appeared = someone knew


Then the rumor was the hijackers were only interested to learning take off NOT landing. Cold hard cash was funding this


Yes the mess on capitol hill got cleaned up rapidly ==== to not reveal how vulnerable the USA national security to terrorism????????? Who knows = things were kept quiet. CENSORSHIP LIVES????

razoo » 30 Jul 2023, 7:18 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 7:18 pm

Food for thought ......

First no one was sure who did it.....then suddenly names appeared = someone knew

Then the rumor was the hijackers were only interested to learning take off NOT landing. Cold hard cash was funding this

Yes the mess on capitol hill got cleaned up rapidly ==== to not reveal how vulnerable the USA national security to terrorism????????? Who knows = things were kept quiet. CENSORSHIP LIVES????

CLINTON was watching these ****........

Why in the hell would GW Bush stop funding the surveillance?   Yes this was a **** up!!!!  He should have been
been forced to resign. Then Cheney would be in charge ====== OMFG!

Z09 » 30 Jul 2023, 7:23 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 7:23 pm

We were attacked numerous times under Clinton ..

Did you know that?

The original 9/11 deniers were all far left Bush haters.

Today most are extreme right wingers, to the right of mainstream MAGAS.

Z09 » 30 Jul 2023, 7:23 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 7:23 pm

We were attacked numerous times under Clinton ..

Did you know that?

YU are grasping for straws ......... this discussion is and has been about 9/11/01.  How many other administrations
have had to deal with ........... on shore and off shore infiltrators?

BTW can you document your position?  

Z09 » 30 Jul 2023, 7:22 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 7:22 pm

Just wondering...
If there were no passengers and no flight...

....Why would they disassemble a plane?

 Vegas is trolling you, and Kobia, and everyone else on this thread. 

Kobia2 » 27 Jul 2023, 9:18 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2023, 9:18 pm

              This is getting silly now..... There is every indication these photos were taken Sept 12th and Sept 13th from both inside & outside the crash site at the Pentagon.... Look at the source again..

     https://rense.com/general32/phot.htm

          The Pictures are cataloged & sourced as to who took them, and where they were posted... Many were taken and posted by a named photographer --- Jocelyn Augustino, a freelance photographer working closely with FEMA Disaster Responses since 1995... Over the years her photographs have been published in numerous major News & Media Outlets. 
  
       https://www.fema.gov/blog/showing-our-s ... 0reservist.
 
          More were taken by VATF-1 Workers (Virginia Task Force 1) --- a Domestic & International Disaster Response Resource trained in the with expertise in the rescue of victims from collapsed structures, following a natural or man-made catastrophic event...  

https://www.vatf1.org/

         Others were taken by photographers from nearby Military Base (Army) Fort. Belvoir 

https://www.military.com/base-guide/fort-belvoir

       Despite the destructive fire that raged inside the impact area on 9/11, pieces of debris were visible on 9/13 and 9/14, and were photographed by recovery workers. These photos clearly show pieces of landing gears, a large turbofan engine, and fuselage. The evidence inside the building is consistent with the evidence of plane wreckage outside -- indicating that a commercial airliner flew into the Pentagon on September 11th
            

None of this matters to people who think they know better.
 

razoo » 30 Jul 2023, 7:51 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 7:51 pm

YU are grasping for straws ......... this discussion is and has been about 9/11/01.  How many other administrations
have had to deal with ........... on shore and off shore infiltrators?

BTW can you document your position?

On shore and off shore infiltrators. 
And now Joe has opened the borders, and just let them all in. 

Have you heard about all the Chinese military aged men crossing our border right now?
No, I'll bet you haven't heard a word on any of your liberal "news" outlets. 
Thousands of Chinese illegally entering US at southern border
 

Osama Bin Laden did 911 - most likely.

Who trained and funded him in the 1980s.???

You people are **** morons...both left and right.

Kobia2 » 30 Jul 2023, 7:04 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 7:04 pm

              You're dead wrong..... The weather that day for the Northeast  down to the Mid-Atlantic which included the DC area was described by Air Authorities as "Severe Clear"..... O'Brien said the Plane was within a couple of miles of his C-130 when it crossed his path... He described it as either a 757 or 767....  

               This is the same argument you used to try and discredit the Taxi driver Lloyd England -- claiming he and all the witnesses who saw American Airlines Boeing Flight 77 clip and knock down the lamp posts before impacting the Pentagon were mistake and didn't see that it was a Missile instead of an Airplane... You were wrong on that point as well.... Many if not most of the witnesses at the Pentagon who saw the Plane were civilians on the roadway running parallel to the site--- with no connection to to the government or military, as to be coerced or sworn to silence --- and from that day up to now not a single one has claimed it was a Missile and not an Aircraft. 

        
 

What does"East Coast Haze" mean to you ?
which is how O'Brien described the bad visibility that day when he could not say for certain which company logo was on the plane and guessed based on what he decribed as a silver fuselage. ....

 

Rock » 30 Jul 2023, 9:35 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 9:35 pm

 Vegas is trolling you, and Kobia, and everyone else on this thread.

No, he has a sincere belief in 9/11 conspiracy theories 

golfboy » 30 Jul 2023, 9:45 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 9:45 pm

On shore and off shore infiltrators. 
And now Joe has opened the borders, and just let them all in. 

Have you heard about all the Chinese military aged men crossing our border right now?
No, I'll bet you haven't heard a word on any of your liberal "news" outlets. 
Thousands of Chinese illegally entering US at southern border

Your article 

—-A growing number of Chinese nationals are illegally entering the United States through the U.S.-Mexico border, U.S. Customs and Border Protection Protection (CBP) data shows. 
 The CBP recorded 4,271 Chinese nationals crossing the southern border between October and February, The Wall Street Journal reported. The number was more than 10 times greater than the same period the previous year.

—-

It’s public information.

Brandon’s Border Agents are harvesting a record catch of Chinamen.

Here’s why.

Over in China they believe Fox News fairy tales  the Southern boarder is wide open.

It’s not hard to hop a plane from China to Mexico.

Then the poor dumb Chinaman finds out at the border, it’s not open at all.

If he’s not familiar with an asylum request he’s on a truck back over the border in one day.

Z09 » 30 Jul 2023, 7:22 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 7:22 pm

Just wondering...
If there were no passengers and no flight...

....Why would they disassemble a plane?

They needed a scapegoat. They couldn't let people think it was a missile. 

Kobia2 » 30 Jul 2023, 7:17 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 7:17 pm

           Actually, 
the source of this information would have come from people aboard Flight 77 who placed the 3 sky phone calls --- 2 from Author Barbara Olson to her Husband, and the other by Flight Attendant Renee May ( I was incorrect that her last name was Ong who was on Flight 11) who called her mother and had her in turn call authorities... Sources also include American Airlines as an entity, Workers and Air Traffic Controllers at Dulles International Airport VA, and all the non Government affiliated civilians who witnessed  a commercial Airplane strike the Pentagon..... I prefer and reference this over any untrustworthy government prepared presentation of the events.

           

Again, all reported from the government. When it comes to lying, our government is actually quite impressive at it. I watched some documentaries about how our government has infiltrated crime organizations such as the cartels and different governments around the world. What shocked me the most is how often they used the  civilians (in other countries) to carry out their missions. Hundreds at a time. It was always the most inconspicuous way to get their plans to come through.  

Vegas » 30 Jul 2023, 11:02 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 11:02 pm

They needed a scapegoat. They couldn't let people think it was a missile.

How about Flight 93, the passengers resisted the rag heads.  Was that real?

Bruce » 30 Jul 2023, 11:12 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 11:12 pm

How about Flight 93, the passengers resisted the rag heads.  Was that real?

My theory is that the autopilot on flight 93, and the two that hit the towers, were hacked and locked. The pilots couldn't do anything. Everything started off normal, like every other flight. Then autopilot locked them out and the coordinates were preprogrammed. Perhaps the pilots heard what was going on since the other two planes had hit the towers already, and they were able to down the plane. That is still a mystery to me. However, there were never any ragheaded goat **** hijackers.  

Vegas » 30 Jul 2023, 11:22 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 11:22 pm

My theory is that the autopilot on flight 93, and the two that hit the towers, were hacked and locked. The pilots couldn't do anything. Everything started off normal, like every other flight. Then autopilot locked them out and the coordinates were preprogrammed. Perhaps the pilots heard what was going on since the other two planes had hit the towers already, and they were able to down the plane. That is still a mystery to me. However, there were never any ragheaded goat **** hijackers.

Wow.

So the Deep State, killed three planes full of real passengers, but no rag heads, flew two into towers, which had pre set charges, plus charges in WTC 7, disappeared one plane but no passengers or crew or rag heads,  flew 93 into the ground and used a top secret enormous cruise missile to attack the Pentagon?

And the motive was to invade the camel jockeys in the Middle East?

Am I warm ?

Bruce » 30 Jul 2023, 11:33 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 11:33 pm

Wow.

So the Deep State, killed three planes full of real passengers, but no rag heads, flew two into towers, which had pre set charges, plus charges in WTC 7, disappeared one plane but no passengers or crew or rag heads,  flew 93 into the ground and used a top secret enormous cruise missile to attack the Pentagon?

And the motive was to invade the camel jockeys in the Middle East?

Am I warm ?

Yeah...I guess that about sums it up. 

Vegas » 30 Jul 2023, 11:35 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 11:35 pm

Yeah...I guess that about sums it up.

Question.

I’m a super diabolical deep state agent.

I came up with an evil plan to murder three jet liners full of passengers, but instead of adding one more plane to hit the Pentagon I waste a perfectly good giant secret cruise missile.

I mean, I can hijack planes by remote control.

But that huge cruise missile will need a crew, and it might get tracked on radar, and somebody might catch it on tape like they did the plane that hit the South Tower.

Why not hijack a fourth plane?

Bruce » 30 Jul 2023, 11:57 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 11:57 pm

Question.

I’m a super diabolical deep state agent.

I came up with an evil plan to murder three jet liners full of passengers, but instead of adding one more plane to hit the Pentagon I waste a perfectly good giant secret cruise missile.

I mean, I can hijack planes by remote control.

But that huge cruise missile will need a crew, and it might get tracked on radar, and somebody might catch it on tape like they did the plane that hit the South Tower.

Why not hijack a fourth plane?

None of the planes were hijacked. There were no sheep ****. 
The towers were an easy target. They are high in the air. A building on the ground is much more difficult to hit by a plane. Precision and accuracy is paramount. The crew for the missile is the government...who are in on it, so whatever. Same with the radar. I don't claim to know where the missile was launched from. However, I don't see why it couldn't be launched within a couple miles. Who would see it? 

Also, I had entertained the theory about a UAV. The Navy was experimenting quite a bit in UAVs from 1995 to 2003. They had them much longer, but they were forking a lot of money and resources into building more powerful ones. Using one of those, with explosives, would explain the smaller hole and no parts anywhere, since UAVs, unlike a Boeing 757, are much more brittle. Nobody would suspect a UAV flying around. I don't know though, because they only carry about 800 gallons of fuel.  It's just a thought. 

Vegas » 31 Jul 2023, 12:14 am » wrote: ↑

31 Jul 2023, 12:14 am

None of the planes were hijacked. There were no sheep ****. 
The towers were an easy target. They are high in the air. A building on the ground is much more difficult to hit by a plane. Precision and accuracy is paramount. The crew for the missile is the government...who are in on it, so whatever. Same with the radar. I don't claim to know where the missile was launched from. However, I don't see why it couldn't be launched within a couple miles. Who would see it? 

Also, I had entertained the theory about a UAV. The Navy was experimenting quite a bit in UAVs from 1995 to 2003. They had them much longer, but they were forking a lot of money and resources into building more powerful ones. Using one of those, with explosives, would explain the smaller hole and no parts anywhere, since UAVs, unlike a Boeing 757, are much more brittle. Nobody would suspect a UAV flying around. I don't know though, because they only carry about 800 gallons of fuel.  It's just a thought.

I’m a super diabolical deep state agent.’

I let three planes take off, and then I take over the controls.  I need no camel jockeys.

I use my evil secret remote control technology to bring down two towers, plus I crash one plane in the ground because Dick Cheney vectored fighters on me, damn you Dick Cheney.  Or maybe I planned crashing 93, I’m an evil bastard.


But it would be much simpler to just fly 77 into the Pentagon than **** around with secret giant cruise missiles, would it not?