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Z09 » 01 Aug 2023, 12:14 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Aug 2023, 12:14 pm

Here Vegas...
I guess they're all lying.......

 

Where are the wings and tail? 

Z09 » 01 Aug 2023, 1:10 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Aug 2023, 1:10 pm

You're basing your entire theory on wings and tails....

Destroyed in the fire?

Is that possible?

Where are all the passengers on the plane that you claim never got on a plane that morning?

So, addressing the laws of physics is not a good idea then? Okey doke. 

No, they were not burned in the fire. They would have been clipped off somewhere. 

Vegas » 01 Aug 2023, 1:18 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Aug 2023, 1:18 pm

No, they were not burned in the fire. They would have been clipped off somewhere.

I hear a lot of them voted Democrat in 2020.

 

RebelGator » 01 Aug 2023, 1:22 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Aug 2023, 1:22 pm

I hear a lot of them voted Democrat in 2020.

A lot of who?

Vegas » 01 Aug 2023, 10:14 am » wrote: ↑

01 Aug 2023, 10:14 am

@Z09  so, I have answered all of your questions. How about you answer my simple straight forward question? 

Question: How exactly does a Boeing 757, with a wingspan of 125 feet fit in a hole 75 feet wide without even making a mark on the walls outside, nor leave behind even one piece of a wing? 



Prediction:
You will deflect to witnesses, airports, and passengers...yet, still leave my question unanswered. 

If you ever noticed the wings slant backwards so the center of the wings are ahead of the outer ends and like my paper origami, they folded in the opening. amd most likely ended up behind the tail section going through.

Don't you understand momentum. weight and speed exponentially increase the faster an object is moving and from what I am seeing the plane was moving 300 to 400 mph.

If that 75' hole didn't open up that aircraft would ended up about 75' long. and the imprint would be about the length of the original length of the airplane cause the wings would have widened on impact from slanted backwards.

Z09 » 01 Aug 2023, 1:28 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Aug 2023, 1:28 pm

On large commercial airplanes, the impact speeds and fuel quantity carried are much higher. Because of this, higher impact speeds are common, and also the fact that the wings are much larger means that most impacts will cause the wings to disintegrate 

This instant release of massive volumes of aircraft fuel means the chances of even a small portion finding an ignition source is very high. Because of this, most high-energy impacts of a large airplane will always lead to a large fireball.

Those wings had to hit the outside part of the hole. The fact that the speeds and fuel capacities are much higher than other smaller planes would ensure some evidence of markings on the outside wall, just outside the hole. No different than the body creating the hole itself. The engines were on the wings, so they had to have had the force to create damage outside. Even if it all disintegrated, there still would be some mark that the wings made. The hole only looks like the body went through, as if the plane had no wings to begin with. 

Vegas » 01 Aug 2023, 1:24 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Aug 2023, 1:24 pm

A lot of who?

Dead people. 

RebelGator » 01 Aug 2023, 2:47 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Aug 2023, 2:47 pm

Dead people.

Oh.       Yes, that would make sense. 

Jantje_Smit » 01 Aug 2023, 10:47 am » wrote: ↑

01 Aug 2023, 10:47 am

I thought that was me.. lol.. but that's an interesting picture, all the lampposts seem to be still standing, another deceptive angle?

         We've been through this....
Look at the Pic again..... That cluster of Lights is in the lower right portion of the photo ---- closer to one of the Parking Lots... They were not in the path of the Plane when it struck the building... 

        

       

 
                Since you've brought the discussion back to photographs ----- This Link is to a Site which lists all the Missiles in our US Arsenal, complete with Pictures of each....... Tell me which one you believe all the eyewitnesses mistook for a Commercial Airliner.... I'll help you out on this one, when you browse through these Pics, I'm guessing you will choose the White & Red BGM-109 Tomahawk Missile..... But unfortunately it will do nothing to support your Theory, because few to none would mistake a Tomahawk Missile that is 16 ft long with a 8.5 ft wingspan for a 155 ft long Boeing 757 with a 125 ft wingspan....  So you tell me what other type of Missile it could be please. 

            https://military-history.fandom.com/wik ... s_military

Z09 » 01 Aug 2023, 5:28 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Aug 2023, 5:28 pm

I'd be satisfied if just one person said it was a "missile" he saw that day.
Not a hundred that said it was a plane that "American Airlines" on the side.....

          THey demand every type of proof imaginable when it comes to the Boeing 757 Plane hitting the Pentagon --- but with no witnesses, nor a single shred of hard evidence they are convinced it was a MIssile ---- which they cannot identify what type, where it was fired from, and who gave the order...

razoo » 31 Jul 2023, 10:29 am » wrote: ↑

31 Jul 2023, 10:29 am

Tell us all about it .............. your source is fake news ........

Most immigrants are coming to work, make money, pay taxes make a better life for them and their families. BECAUSE communist, fascist dictators suck.

BTW USA employers need workers by the millions so let's put the immigrants to work so USA employers can 
offer superior customer service = shop locally = less online!!!!!

Typical liberal ****.   Can't refute facts so he just dismisses the article.

 

Z09 » 01 Aug 2023, 5:28 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Aug 2023, 5:28 pm

I'd be satisfied if just one person said it was a "missile" he saw that day.
Not a hundred that said it was a plane that "American Airlines" on the side.....

The 2nd plane was caught live on TV by local news stations who were on site, doing broadcasts. 
But I guess that was faked too. 
 

Bruce » 30 Jul 2023, 10:49 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 10:49 pm

Your article 

—-A growing number of Chinese nationals are illegally entering the United States through the U.S.-Mexico border, U.S. Customs and Border Protection Protection (CBP) data shows. 
 The CBP recorded 4,271 Chinese nationals crossing the southern border between October and February, The Wall Street Journal reported. The number was more than 10 times greater than the same period the previous year.

—-

It’s public information.

Brandon’s Border Agents are harvesting a record catch of Chinamen.

Here’s why.

Over in China they believe Fox News fairy tales  the Southern boarder is wide open.

It’s not hard to hop a plane from China to Mexico.

Then the poor dumb Chinaman finds out at the border, it’s not open at all.

If he’s not familiar with an asylum request he’s on a truck back over the border in one day.

Over 5 million illegals have crossed the border under Joe Biden.
And you have the audacity to claim the border ISN'T open?     

Show me these Chinese military aged men are being deported. 
 

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Z09 » 01 Aug 2023, 6:31 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Aug 2023, 6:31 pm

I simply don't understand how you could get hundreds of people involved in this crime and no one said a word?

Air traffic controllers..
FBI agents
Doctors
Even baggage handlers at the airport...
The flight attendant that called her mother....I guess the mother lied about the phone call

And then they'd have to get 100 different people in cars at the exact moment the "missile" flew over head and all of them would have to say it was a plane...

         Perhaps the Plane was made of Lego Blocks... that would certainly explain how it was disassembled and boxed up so quickly instead of being boarded & taking flight... It's very plausible the passengers & crew of Flight 77 were kidnapped at the American Airlines terminal at Dulles International Airport, then teleported to Jeffrey Epstein's Island and forced into a life of servitude..   Let's also not forget another key conspirator, the Taxi driver Lloyd England who with remarkable stealth drove onto the scene -- stopped in the middle of the heavily trafficked road --- checked to see if anyone was looking -- exited his Cab -- proceed to smash it with a baseball bat -- then  lasod & pulled a Streetlight Pole down onto his vehicle...

         I think they're just pulling our leg... LOL 
 

Kobia2 » 01 Aug 2023, 8:58 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Aug 2023, 8:58 pm

         Perhaps the Plane was made of Lego Blocks... that would certainly explain how it was disassembled and boxed up so quickly instead of being boarded & taking flight... It's very plausible the passengers & crew of Flight 77 were kidnapped at the American Airlines terminal at Dulles International Airport, then teleported to Jeffrey Epstein's Island and forced into a life of servitude..   Let's also not forget another key conspirator, the Taxi driver Lloyd England who with remarkable stealth drove onto the scene -- stopped in the middle of the heavily trafficked road --- checked to see if anyone was looking -- exited his Cab -- proceed to smash it with a baseball bat -- then  lasod & pulled a Streetlight Pole down onto his vehicle...

         I think they're just pulling our leg... LOL 

Here is the thing, the burden of proof is on the people who are making the claim. The claim is that a plane hit the pentagon. I don't owe an explanation as to how a missile or whatever else theory could have explained the hole. I don't even have to have a theory. The burden of proof falls on the shoulders of those making the claim. Z09 keeps pulling a BlackVegtable, which is to evade, deflect, and try and turn the conversation to what she wants. BV was a miserable idiot. I won't address a BV tactic. 

Facts: 

• The hole was 75 feet wide. The wingspan was 125 feet. 
• There is no evidence of any markings outside the hole where the wings and engines would have had to hit. The hole looks like it was just a body of a plane that never had any wings at all. 
• There are no photos of plane pieces that show them at the pentagon. I saw pieces of a plane, but there was no evidence those pieces were the pentagon crash.
• There was one piece of an engine showed to the Rolls-Royce manufactures, the makers of the engine. They didn't recognize that piece as anything they made. 
• Only one operational camera that runs 1 frame per second. WTH? Yeah, okay. 

  

Z09 » 01 Aug 2023, 6:31 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Aug 2023, 6:31 pm

I simply don't understand how you could get hundreds of people involved in this crime and no one said a word?

I don't believe you. Your mind operates honoring promises made and secret kept while defending your reality protecting reasonable doubt factually while actually evolving in plain sight equally added to the population left alive now with each lifetime genetically eternally separated living in the moment here.

I have to repeat this all the time because nobody is paying attention to it. Personal brain navigates sole time displaced. Social intellect is programmed to ignore series parallel time displaced as mutually evolving in plain sight.

You debate statistically averaged facts from history being recorded now combining total sum past and current events to protect ideologies promising life isn't limited to series parallel time displaced as specifically one of a kind "being" eternally separated as ancestrally present.

Greater good issues are called morality protecting the social narrative of community organized methods of suppressing instinctive awareness in each great great grandchild added one at a time. Intellectual priorities of citizens come as duty to God, Country, Community, soul of humanity, then family.

Legality is rule of law defending people of every generation gap staying in assumed social identities of "we the people believe in _______________ ." creating the constant battle for which group inherits governing next generations geographically in this atmosphere in this one species of multiple generation gaps of each variation of the species due to geographical location adapting to time occupying space ancestrally since inception. Defamation of contextual character, slander, liability to honoring the ideology assumed after birth each generation gap added so far. It is against the law in every reality to be honest about living in real time.

Relativity is life never exceeds the numbers alive now. Ancestors come in and out of living here now specifically as they behave cradle to grave currently living each rotation of the planet because of compounding chromosomes are the contracting side of expanding combinations of periodic elements that formed this universal location perpetually balancing here intellectually speculated 5 billion years naturally, 7,000 years intellectually.

So 9/11 was an inside the species event actually so that part is 100% accurate for a topic of debating who's who. Itis 99% inaccurate about evolving in real time evolving in plain sight.

When intellectual choices are 50/50/ male female, 90% chance every reality won't be honest about why and how life is self evident regardless which generation gap debating better tomorrows than genetics delivered so far.

Vegas » 01 Aug 2023, 11:15 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Aug 2023, 11:15 pm

Here is the thing, the burden of proof is on the people who are making the claim. The claim is that a plane hit the pentagon. I don't owe an explanation as to how a missile or whatever else theory could have explained the hole. I don't even have to have a theory. The burden of proof falls on the shoulders of those making the claim. Z09 keeps pulling a BlackVegtable, which is to evade, deflect, and try and turn the conversation to what she wants. BV was a miserable idiot. I won't address a BV tactic. 

Facts: 

• The hole was 75 feet wide. The wingspan was 125 feet. 
• There is no evidence of any markings outside the hole where the wings and engines would have had to hit. The hole looks like it was just a body of a plane that never had any wings at all. 
• There are no photos of plane pieces that show them at the pentagon. I saw pieces of a plane, but there was no evidence those pieces were the pentagon crash.
• There was one piece of an engine showed to the Rolls-Royce manufactures, the makers of the engine. They didn't recognize that piece as anything they made. 
• Only one operational camera that runs 1 frame per second. WTH? Yeah, okay. 

               Something that has been a long running pattern amongst many of the Inside Jobbers, has been to shift 100% of the burden of proof onto those who disagree with them --- especially after their own conspiracy theories, accusations & conclusions regarding the events of 9/11 which they became very emotionally invested & attached to early on proved to be wrong... So now most, (not all) adopt the much more comfortable (safe & easy) position of demanding answers & evidence from everyone else ---- without having to explain, prove or defend any plausible alternative to the narrative themselves.. In other words, it's the luxury of continuing hurling **** at the wall, and not having to cleanup or explain when nothing sticks.. 

               This Video is an animation of Flight 77 demonstrating the downing of the 5 Light Posts struck by the planes wings, and also the damaged Generator clipped by the plane...  Along with the animation, there are also photographs provided of the downed Light Posts as well as their precise locations in relation to the grounds and exterior of the building....  When you look at this photographic evidence of the Light Posts, you have to note their positioning & distance from one another... In order for it to have been a Missile which knocked them down, it would have had to stop mid-flight -- resume flight in a tight zigzag pattern -- then regain a speed of 550 mph before impacting the Pentagon wall.. There is no Missile with a remotely wide enough Wingspan to have knocked down those 5 Light Posts where they stood... Flight 77 could & did. 

               Also in the Video, you are shown photographs of additional pieces of the Boeing 757 Aircraft, as well as some of the more known pictures published... You claimed the Photos I had previously posted of the PLane debris including parts of Landing Gear, 757 Wheel Hub, Engine parts. the Flight Recorder from Flight 77 and pieces of Aluminum with Yellow Primer indicative of that used in Aircrafts could not be verified or proven... I did in fact provide sources as to who took such photographs & when... You simply continue to dismiss or disbelieve them along with every witness who saw the American Airlines Plane approach and hit the Pentagon. 

   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVDdjLQkUV8

                 
 
 

Z09 » 01 Aug 2023, 10:51 am » wrote: ↑

01 Aug 2023, 10:51 am

So you're argument is there's lamposts standing?

You need to lay off the 'So's', it doesn't exactly help your case...

My argument is the dozens and dozens of people that saw an American Airlines flying overheard into the building

Not that you have a case... lol..

How do you explain away the 87 witnesses documented that stated they saw an airplane flying close to the ground that day and dozens saw 'American Airlines" on the side?

Yawn..

Jantje_Smit » 26 Jul 2023, 6:48 am » wrote: ↑

26 Jul 2023, 6:48 am

Nah, most of them are probably convinced they are telling the truth... they saw something hit the Pentagon, the headlines scream it was terrorists hijacking planes so that must have been what they saw, they embellished their story and told the media so they could get their 15 minutes of fame..

 

Suppose you tell us where the passengers on the plane are?

They were blown up and burned on whatever deep state site the plane went to.. maybe area51.. and then their remains were delivered to Dover AFB, where the doctors were told it came from the Pentagon, so they could be identified...

 

 
 

Kobia2 » 02 Aug 2023, 9:01 am » wrote: ↑

02 Aug 2023, 9:01 am

               Something that has been a long running pattern amongst many of the Inside Jobbers, has been to shift 100% of the burden of proof onto those who disagree with them --- especially after their own conspiracy theories, accusations & conclusions regarding the events of 9/11 which they became very emotionally invested & attached to early on proved to be wrong... So now most, (not all) adopt the much more comfortable (safe & easy) position of demanding answers & evidence from everyone else ---- without having to explain, prove or defend any plausible alternative to the narrative themselves.. In other words, it's the luxury of continuing hurling **** at the wall, and not having to cleanup or explain when nothing sticks.. 

               This Video is an animation of Flight 77 demonstrating the downing of the 5 Light Posts struck by the planes wings, and also the damaged Generator clipped by the plane...  Along with the animation, there are also photographs provided of the downed Light Posts as well as their precise locations in relation to the grounds and exterior of the building....  When you look at this photographic evidence of the Light Posts, you have to note their positioning & distance from one another... In order for it to have been a Missile which knocked them down, it would have had to stop mid-flight -- resume flight in a tight zigzag pattern -- then regain a speed of 550 mph before impacting the Pentagon wall.. There is no Missile with a remotely wide enough Wingspan to have knocked down those 5 Light Posts where they stood... Flight 77 could & did. 

               Also in the Video, you are shown photographs of additional pieces of the Boeing 757 Aircraft, as well as some of the more known pictures published... You claimed the Photos I had previously posted of the PLane debris including parts of Landing Gear, 757 Wheel Hub, Engine parts. the Flight Recorder from Flight 77 and pieces of Aluminum with Yellow Primer indicative of that used in Aircrafts could not be verified or proven... I did in fact provide sources as to who took such photographs & when... You simply continue to dismiss or disbelieve them along with every witness who saw the American Airlines Plane approach and hit the Pentagon. 

   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVDdjLQkUV8

                 

1. Nope. I maintain my position. I am just simply tired of not getting my questions answered when I have graciously answered everyone else. The real deflecting has not been me. It's perfectly reasonable for me to expect answers to my questions, especially after I have spent most of this thread answering everyone else's.

2. I have seen that animation a couple times before. It does nothing to address the bullet points I have listed last post.