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Z09 » 01 Aug 2023, 5:28 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Aug 2023, 5:28 pm

I'd be satisfied if just one person said it was a "missile" he saw that day.
Not a hundred that said it was a plane that "American Airlines" on the side.....

The 2nd plane was caught live on TV by local news stations who were on site, doing broadcasts. 
But I guess that was faked too. 
 

Bruce » 30 Jul 2023, 10:49 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jul 2023, 10:49 pm

Your article 

—-A growing number of Chinese nationals are illegally entering the United States through the U.S.-Mexico border, U.S. Customs and Border Protection Protection (CBP) data shows. 
 The CBP recorded 4,271 Chinese nationals crossing the southern border between October and February, The Wall Street Journal reported. The number was more than 10 times greater than the same period the previous year.

—-

It’s public information.

Brandon’s Border Agents are harvesting a record catch of Chinamen.

Here’s why.

Over in China they believe Fox News fairy tales  the Southern boarder is wide open.

It’s not hard to hop a plane from China to Mexico.

Then the poor dumb Chinaman finds out at the border, it’s not open at all.

If he’s not familiar with an asylum request he’s on a truck back over the border in one day.

Over 5 million illegals have crossed the border under Joe Biden.
And you have the audacity to claim the border ISN'T open?     

Show me these Chinese military aged men are being deported. 
 

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Z09 » 01 Aug 2023, 6:31 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Aug 2023, 6:31 pm

I simply don't understand how you could get hundreds of people involved in this crime and no one said a word?

Air traffic controllers..
FBI agents
Doctors
Even baggage handlers at the airport...
The flight attendant that called her mother....I guess the mother lied about the phone call

And then they'd have to get 100 different people in cars at the exact moment the "missile" flew over head and all of them would have to say it was a plane...

         Perhaps the Plane was made of Lego Blocks... that would certainly explain how it was disassembled and boxed up so quickly instead of being boarded & taking flight... It's very plausible the passengers & crew of Flight 77 were kidnapped at the American Airlines terminal at Dulles International Airport, then teleported to Jeffrey Epstein's Island and forced into a life of servitude..   Let's also not forget another key conspirator, the Taxi driver Lloyd England who with remarkable stealth drove onto the scene -- stopped in the middle of the heavily trafficked road --- checked to see if anyone was looking -- exited his Cab -- proceed to smash it with a baseball bat -- then  lasod & pulled a Streetlight Pole down onto his vehicle...

         I think they're just pulling our leg... LOL 
 

Kobia2 » 01 Aug 2023, 8:58 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Aug 2023, 8:58 pm

         Perhaps the Plane was made of Lego Blocks... that would certainly explain how it was disassembled and boxed up so quickly instead of being boarded & taking flight... It's very plausible the passengers & crew of Flight 77 were kidnapped at the American Airlines terminal at Dulles International Airport, then teleported to Jeffrey Epstein's Island and forced into a life of servitude..   Let's also not forget another key conspirator, the Taxi driver Lloyd England who with remarkable stealth drove onto the scene -- stopped in the middle of the heavily trafficked road --- checked to see if anyone was looking -- exited his Cab -- proceed to smash it with a baseball bat -- then  lasod & pulled a Streetlight Pole down onto his vehicle...

         I think they're just pulling our leg... LOL 

Here is the thing, the burden of proof is on the people who are making the claim. The claim is that a plane hit the pentagon. I don't owe an explanation as to how a missile or whatever else theory could have explained the hole. I don't even have to have a theory. The burden of proof falls on the shoulders of those making the claim. Z09 keeps pulling a BlackVegtable, which is to evade, deflect, and try and turn the conversation to what she wants. BV was a miserable idiot. I won't address a BV tactic. 

Facts: 

• The hole was 75 feet wide. The wingspan was 125 feet. 
• There is no evidence of any markings outside the hole where the wings and engines would have had to hit. The hole looks like it was just a body of a plane that never had any wings at all. 
• There are no photos of plane pieces that show them at the pentagon. I saw pieces of a plane, but there was no evidence those pieces were the pentagon crash.
• There was one piece of an engine showed to the Rolls-Royce manufactures, the makers of the engine. They didn't recognize that piece as anything they made. 
• Only one operational camera that runs 1 frame per second. WTH? Yeah, okay. 

  

Z09 » 01 Aug 2023, 6:31 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Aug 2023, 6:31 pm

I simply don't understand how you could get hundreds of people involved in this crime and no one said a word?

I don't believe you. Your mind operates honoring promises made and secret kept while defending your reality protecting reasonable doubt factually while actually evolving in plain sight equally added to the population left alive now with each lifetime genetically eternally separated living in the moment here.

I have to repeat this all the time because nobody is paying attention to it. Personal brain navigates sole time displaced. Social intellect is programmed to ignore series parallel time displaced as mutually evolving in plain sight.

You debate statistically averaged facts from history being recorded now combining total sum past and current events to protect ideologies promising life isn't limited to series parallel time displaced as specifically one of a kind "being" eternally separated as ancestrally present.

Greater good issues are called morality protecting the social narrative of community organized methods of suppressing instinctive awareness in each great great grandchild added one at a time. Intellectual priorities of citizens come as duty to God, Country, Community, soul of humanity, then family.

Legality is rule of law defending people of every generation gap staying in assumed social identities of "we the people believe in _______________ ." creating the constant battle for which group inherits governing next generations geographically in this atmosphere in this one species of multiple generation gaps of each variation of the species due to geographical location adapting to time occupying space ancestrally since inception. Defamation of contextual character, slander, liability to honoring the ideology assumed after birth each generation gap added so far. It is against the law in every reality to be honest about living in real time.

Relativity is life never exceeds the numbers alive now. Ancestors come in and out of living here now specifically as they behave cradle to grave currently living each rotation of the planet because of compounding chromosomes are the contracting side of expanding combinations of periodic elements that formed this universal location perpetually balancing here intellectually speculated 5 billion years naturally, 7,000 years intellectually.

So 9/11 was an inside the species event actually so that part is 100% accurate for a topic of debating who's who. Itis 99% inaccurate about evolving in real time evolving in plain sight.

When intellectual choices are 50/50/ male female, 90% chance every reality won't be honest about why and how life is self evident regardless which generation gap debating better tomorrows than genetics delivered so far.

Vegas » 01 Aug 2023, 11:15 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Aug 2023, 11:15 pm

Here is the thing, the burden of proof is on the people who are making the claim. The claim is that a plane hit the pentagon. I don't owe an explanation as to how a missile or whatever else theory could have explained the hole. I don't even have to have a theory. The burden of proof falls on the shoulders of those making the claim. Z09 keeps pulling a BlackVegtable, which is to evade, deflect, and try and turn the conversation to what she wants. BV was a miserable idiot. I won't address a BV tactic. 

Facts: 

• The hole was 75 feet wide. The wingspan was 125 feet. 
• There is no evidence of any markings outside the hole where the wings and engines would have had to hit. The hole looks like it was just a body of a plane that never had any wings at all. 
• There are no photos of plane pieces that show them at the pentagon. I saw pieces of a plane, but there was no evidence those pieces were the pentagon crash.
• There was one piece of an engine showed to the Rolls-Royce manufactures, the makers of the engine. They didn't recognize that piece as anything they made. 
• Only one operational camera that runs 1 frame per second. WTH? Yeah, okay. 

               Something that has been a long running pattern amongst many of the Inside Jobbers, has been to shift 100% of the burden of proof onto those who disagree with them --- especially after their own conspiracy theories, accusations & conclusions regarding the events of 9/11 which they became very emotionally invested & attached to early on proved to be wrong... So now most, (not all) adopt the much more comfortable (safe & easy) position of demanding answers & evidence from everyone else ---- without having to explain, prove or defend any plausible alternative to the narrative themselves.. In other words, it's the luxury of continuing hurling **** at the wall, and not having to cleanup or explain when nothing sticks.. 

               This Video is an animation of Flight 77 demonstrating the downing of the 5 Light Posts struck by the planes wings, and also the damaged Generator clipped by the plane...  Along with the animation, there are also photographs provided of the downed Light Posts as well as their precise locations in relation to the grounds and exterior of the building....  When you look at this photographic evidence of the Light Posts, you have to note their positioning & distance from one another... In order for it to have been a Missile which knocked them down, it would have had to stop mid-flight -- resume flight in a tight zigzag pattern -- then regain a speed of 550 mph before impacting the Pentagon wall.. There is no Missile with a remotely wide enough Wingspan to have knocked down those 5 Light Posts where they stood... Flight 77 could & did. 

               Also in the Video, you are shown photographs of additional pieces of the Boeing 757 Aircraft, as well as some of the more known pictures published... You claimed the Photos I had previously posted of the PLane debris including parts of Landing Gear, 757 Wheel Hub, Engine parts. the Flight Recorder from Flight 77 and pieces of Aluminum with Yellow Primer indicative of that used in Aircrafts could not be verified or proven... I did in fact provide sources as to who took such photographs & when... You simply continue to dismiss or disbelieve them along with every witness who saw the American Airlines Plane approach and hit the Pentagon. 

   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVDdjLQkUV8

                 
 
 

Z09 » 01 Aug 2023, 10:51 am » wrote: ↑

01 Aug 2023, 10:51 am

So you're argument is there's lamposts standing?

You need to lay off the 'So's', it doesn't exactly help your case...

My argument is the dozens and dozens of people that saw an American Airlines flying overheard into the building

Not that you have a case... lol..

How do you explain away the 87 witnesses documented that stated they saw an airplane flying close to the ground that day and dozens saw 'American Airlines" on the side?

Yawn..

Jantje_Smit » 26 Jul 2023, 6:48 am » wrote: ↑

26 Jul 2023, 6:48 am

Nah, most of them are probably convinced they are telling the truth... they saw something hit the Pentagon, the headlines scream it was terrorists hijacking planes so that must have been what they saw, they embellished their story and told the media so they could get their 15 minutes of fame..

 

Suppose you tell us where the passengers on the plane are?

They were blown up and burned on whatever deep state site the plane went to.. maybe area51.. and then their remains were delivered to Dover AFB, where the doctors were told it came from the Pentagon, so they could be identified...

 

 
 

Kobia2 » 02 Aug 2023, 9:01 am » wrote: ↑

02 Aug 2023, 9:01 am

               Something that has been a long running pattern amongst many of the Inside Jobbers, has been to shift 100% of the burden of proof onto those who disagree with them --- especially after their own conspiracy theories, accusations & conclusions regarding the events of 9/11 which they became very emotionally invested & attached to early on proved to be wrong... So now most, (not all) adopt the much more comfortable (safe & easy) position of demanding answers & evidence from everyone else ---- without having to explain, prove or defend any plausible alternative to the narrative themselves.. In other words, it's the luxury of continuing hurling **** at the wall, and not having to cleanup or explain when nothing sticks.. 

               This Video is an animation of Flight 77 demonstrating the downing of the 5 Light Posts struck by the planes wings, and also the damaged Generator clipped by the plane...  Along with the animation, there are also photographs provided of the downed Light Posts as well as their precise locations in relation to the grounds and exterior of the building....  When you look at this photographic evidence of the Light Posts, you have to note their positioning & distance from one another... In order for it to have been a Missile which knocked them down, it would have had to stop mid-flight -- resume flight in a tight zigzag pattern -- then regain a speed of 550 mph before impacting the Pentagon wall.. There is no Missile with a remotely wide enough Wingspan to have knocked down those 5 Light Posts where they stood... Flight 77 could & did. 

               Also in the Video, you are shown photographs of additional pieces of the Boeing 757 Aircraft, as well as some of the more known pictures published... You claimed the Photos I had previously posted of the PLane debris including parts of Landing Gear, 757 Wheel Hub, Engine parts. the Flight Recorder from Flight 77 and pieces of Aluminum with Yellow Primer indicative of that used in Aircrafts could not be verified or proven... I did in fact provide sources as to who took such photographs & when... You simply continue to dismiss or disbelieve them along with every witness who saw the American Airlines Plane approach and hit the Pentagon. 

   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVDdjLQkUV8

                 

1. Nope. I maintain my position. I am just simply tired of not getting my questions answered when I have graciously answered everyone else. The real deflecting has not been me. It's perfectly reasonable for me to expect answers to my questions, especially after I have spent most of this thread answering everyone else's.

2. I have seen that animation a couple times before. It does nothing to address the bullet points I have listed last post. 

Z09 » 02 Aug 2023, 10:35 am » wrote: ↑

02 Aug 2023, 10:35 am

I think you're wrong...

The problem I find with your explanation is it leads to more questions..

 

I have answered your questions. You have yet to answer mine. I won't proceed with you until stop hiding. It's shameful that you are taking on a BV tactic. 

Z09 » 02 Aug 2023, 11:20 am » wrote: ↑

02 Aug 2023, 11:20 am

I prefer to hide again. 

 

• Hole = 75ft. Wingspan = 125ft
• No markings on the outside part of the hole where the wings hit. 
• No pics of pieces of plane demonstrating they were from the pentagon.
• Rolls-Royce manufactures, the maker of the engine, did not identify the engine piece as theirs. 
• One operational camera at 1 frame per second. 

Deflection again in 3...2...1...

Vegas » 02 Aug 2023, 11:27 am » wrote: ↑

02 Aug 2023, 11:27 am

• Hole = 75ft. Wingspan = 125ft
• No markings on the outside part of the hole where the wings hit. 
• No pics of pieces of plane demonstrating they were from the pentagon.
• Rolls-Royce manufactures, the maker of the engine, did not identify the engine piece as theirs. 
• One operational camera at 1 frame per second. 

Deflection again in 3...2...1...

https://youtu.be/OHT0gH8O1PE
 
 

Mrkelly » 02 Aug 2023, 11:36 am » wrote: ↑

02 Aug 2023, 11:36 am

https://youtu.be/OHT0gH8O1PE

Nice. 

@Z09  I don't expect you to address this or even watch it. You are too busy following BV's lead.   

Z09 » 02 Aug 2023, 11:31 am » wrote: ↑

02 Aug 2023, 11:31 am

Do you have a link for your Rolls Royce claim?
I've never heard about that...

The irony is that this site is not a conspiracy site. It serves to try and debunk conspiracies. They are having a hard time with this one though. Lol

American Free Press contacted Pratt & Whitney and Rolls Royce, manufacturers of the 757's turbofan jet engines to try and identify the piece."If the aircraft that struck the Pentagon was a Boeing 757-200 owned by American Airlines, then it would have to be a Rolls Royce engine," Mark Sullivan, spokesman for Pratt & Whitney, told AFP.John W. Brown, spokesman for Rolls Royce (Indianapolis), had previously told AFP: "It is not a part from any Rolls Royce engine that I'm familiar with, and certainly not the AE 3007H made here in Indy."The AE 3007 engines are used in small commuter jets such as the Cessna Citation; the AE 3007H is also used in the military's unmanned aircraft, the Global Hawk. The Global Hawk is manufactured by Northrop Grumman's subsidiary Ryan Aeronautical, which it acquired from Teledyne, Inc. in July 1999.If the government version that an American Airlines 757-200 hit the Pentagon is accurate, then the object in the photo would have to be from a Rolls Royce RB211-535 turbofan engine.When AFP told Brown that it must be a piece of a Rolls Royce engine, Brown balked and asked who at Pratt & Whitney had provided the information. 

Aerospaceweb.org | Ask Us - Boeing 757 Engine Conspiracy Theory

Z09 » 02 Aug 2023, 11:51 am » wrote: ↑

02 Aug 2023, 11:51 am

"the footage that was never aired again"

Not really true...

It was just updated throughout the day..

Reporters are there all day and give up dates

"never aired again" is what it says

Z09 » 02 Aug 2023, 11:51 am » wrote: ↑

02 Aug 2023, 11:51 am

"the footage that was never aired again"

Not really true...

It was just updated throughout the day..

Reporters are there all day and give up dates

Come on Z09. You watched the first 20 seconds. Watch the whole thing. Now you are pulling a VegasGiant. He only partially read/watches stuff also, then makes an *** out of himself for it. 

Z09 » 02 Aug 2023, 11:59 am » wrote: ↑

02 Aug 2023, 11:59 am

Here's the problem....
Your new smoking gun is the plane part...
You left out what Brown said TOTALLY..

You left out what Brown said....
He doesn't build engines.
He's a spokesman..

When AFP told Brown that it must be a piece of a Rolls Royce engine, Brown balked and asked who at Pratt & Whitney had provided the information.Asked again if the disc in the photo is a piece of a Rolls Royce RB211-535, or from the AE 3007 series, Brown said he could not answer.AFP then asked Brown if he was actually familiar with the parts of an AE 3007H, which is made at the Indiana plant: "No," Brown said. "I don't build the engines. I am a spokesman for the company. I speak for the company."

 https://aerospaceweb.org/question/consp ... 265a.shtml

It was a plane part that was planted, like the others. Who cares if he is a spokesperson? For something like this, Rolls-Royce wouldn't just treat this lightly, since their name is attached to it. 

Z09 » 02 Aug 2023, 12:02 pm » wrote: ↑

02 Aug 2023, 12:02 pm

Just watched it.....
Again

Good job. Lol. See, that wasn't too hard. 

Z09 » 02 Aug 2023, 12:05 pm » wrote: ↑

02 Aug 2023, 12:05 pm

Why would they air something at one point ...
...And not air it again?

Simple..
Because throughout the days there's updates and more information coming out..

Simply because you see something on TV at 11 AM but 3 PM there's much more news..

Unless of course if you have one reporter covering 20 different stories at the same time

But if it flys in the face of all other reports, it should be, at least, reviewed 


 

Z09 » 02 Aug 2023, 12:07 pm » wrote: ↑

02 Aug 2023, 12:07 pm

You said Rolls Royce couldn't identify that part...

The problem is your being selective..

Brown is a company spokesman.
Not a mechanic and he admitted he didn't know what the part was..

Doesn't mean the part didn't come from a plane....

You are reaching.