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Kobia2 » 22 Jul 2023, 10:08 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Jul 2023, 10:08 pm

       I'm simply asking a fair question man.....
If people believe a Missile struck the Pentagon, and not Flight 77, they should make their case... 

Im just asking a fair question man....
Who benefited....qui bono  
 
 

Sumela » 22 Jul 2023, 10:06 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Jul 2023, 10:06 pm

Cool, maybe WASH DC just let it happen.  And WTC7 was just bad luck.

How lucky, huh??  """"""""""""""""""we need a new pearl harbor moment""""""""""""""""""

            Then that is a far different argument saying our government was aware, but chose to allow the attack to happen --- rather than asserting a missile struck the Pentagon, and Flight 77 with it's passengers & crew simply vanished or never existed... 

Sumela » 22 Jul 2023, 10:10 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Jul 2023, 10:10 pm

Im just asking a fair question man....
Who benefited....qui bono  
 

      No,
you're avoiding answering one..... The thread is not whether the events of 9/11 was the launching pad to invade Iraq or Afghanistan.... Again, most agree it was... The Thread is about if our Government was complicit in the planning and carrying out of attacks on 9/11 ----an inside job... 

Kobia2 » 22 Jul 2023, 10:10 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Jul 2023, 10:10 pm

            Then that is a far different argument saying our government was aware, but chose to allow the attack to happen --- rather than asserting a missile struck the Pentagon, and Flight 77 with it's passengers & crew simply vanished or never existed... 

Who knows what really happened or how it was planned...its still a mystery. Im just curious.

I simply know who benefited....West Oil Cos...night night CUCK RINO  
 
 

Sumela » 22 Jul 2023, 10:16 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Jul 2023, 10:16 pm

Who knows what really happened or how it was planned...its still a mystery. Im just curious.

I simply know who benefited....West Oil Cos...night night CUCK RINO

         Well, you clearly don't know what happened, nor are you capable of discussing it, so you get upset and do the usual cry of Rino and run off... 
 

Vegas » 22 Jul 2023, 12:05 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Jul 2023, 12:05 pm

I have started many threads about this...well, here is another one. 

Pentagon: Where is the **** plane? 
Building 7: What the **** caused that collapse? It wasn't hit. And building fires don't cause a straight down collapse...they just  burn.
Twin Towers: Engineers have repeatedly said that the impacts of the plane and jet fuel could not take down those towers, especially straight down like that. 
Amateur pilots: How the hell can 19 rag heads, with barely any flight experience, fly those gigantic planes with such precision?

I don't want to change your mind.. lol.. I totally agree..

The Pentagon is the most obvious but there are so many other questions, it was long time ago, I lost all the stuff I had on that a few computers ago but I still remember some things..

Like the guy that leased the WTC buying terrorism insurance just a few weeks before 9/11...

Did I mention he was jewish (Silverstein) and that no joos died in the towers because it was a jewish holiday.. and there was the video of the dancing joos, celebrating with the burning towers in the background..

The undamaged passports of the hijackers found on the street.. lol.. that was a nice touch..

Then there was the gold in the vault of the WTC that disappeared without a trace

The debris of the WTC that was shipped of to China in a hurry so it couldn't be analyzed for traces of explosives

The hole in the ground in Pensylvania that looked nothing like a plane crash..

Etc. etc. etc..

I don't have all the links anymore but I still have this one, I forgot what it was about, stock trades and coverups I think, I have to watch that again myself but there should be some good stuff in it, I must have saved it for a reason..

Edit: oh, I remember now, from 36:00, that was why I saved it.. the planes were remote controlled and they weren't passenger planes..

 

https://youtu.be/n_fp5kaVYhk

 
 

Z09 » 23 Jul 2023, 6:20 am » wrote: ↑

23 Jul 2023, 6:20 am

Does anyone really think our government could plan and execute this ?

They couldn't keep this big of a secret for 2 minutes in DC...

911 was caused by Muslim terrorists that had planted it for years.....

Case closed...

I dunno tho- they're pretty tight lipped about area 51. That has always amazed me.?
 

Z09 » 23 Jul 2023, 6:20 am » wrote: ↑

23 Jul 2023, 6:20 am

Does anyone really think our government could plan and execute this ?

It wasn't the government, it was the deep state, although there is an overlap..

They couldn't keep this big of a secret for 2 minutes in DC...

It isn't really a secret, it's that people don't want to believe it.. or have an interest in not believing it, like the media.. just label those who don't believe the official story and expose the dirty details as nutty conspiracy theorists  and ignore them..

911 was caused by Muslim terrorists that had planted it for years.....

lol.. it was planned for years but not by a bunch of muslim terrorists hiding in a cave in Afghanistan.. ever heard of PNAC.. you should google that, interesting stuff, especially the signatories..

Case closed...

Yeah, in the same way as the Warren commission closed the case on the JFK assassination..

 



 
 

Sumela » 22 Jul 2023, 8:55 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Jul 2023, 8:55 pm

'''''we need a new Pearl Harbor moment''''   sorry, its simply curious

wonder what it will be this time 

Z09 » 23 Jul 2023, 6:20 am » wrote: ↑

23 Jul 2023, 6:20 am

Does anyone really think our government could plan and execute this ?

They couldn't keep this big of a secret for 2 minutes in DC...

911 was caused by Muslim terrorists that had planted it for years.....

Case closed...

Agree. Our MIC didn't let the tragedy go to waste but never mistake for evil that which is best explained by incompetence. There have been large scale conspiracies but the truth comes out pretty quickly. Tuskegee syphilis experiment, the Manhattan project, mk ultra, Russian collusion. 911 was a terrorist attack used to justify regime change in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and elsewhere. 
 

Z09 » 23 Jul 2023, 8:30 am » wrote: ↑

23 Jul 2023, 8:30 am

There is simply no way any deep state could keep the murder of 3000 people a secret during the planning or after the deed.

Like JFK...
After 60 years and there's still no evidence...Just speculation..

Does anyone really think the Secret Service, FBI, CIA and Dallas Police all got together and killed JFK and then kept it quietly...?

Easier to kill one man than put on an air show and controlled demo three buildings in front of billions of onlookers. 

 

Z09 » 23 Jul 2023, 8:30 am » wrote: ↑

23 Jul 2023, 8:30 am

There is simply no way any deep state could keep the murder of 3000 people a secret during the planning or after the deed.

Like JFK...
After 60 years and there's still no evidence...Just speculation..

Does anyone really think the Secret Service, FBI, CIA and Dallas Police all got together and killed JFK and then kept it quietly...?

My Democrat buddies and me sometimes meet in conclave in our secret temple.  We ride the brass goat and do all our secret handshakes, and then speculate.

Look at the typical Trump rally with thousands of MAGAS all jammed in there together.  Every one of them would have had their asses beat at home and at school for nearly every thing Trump says.  Nobody in America was raised to believe ANY of that ****.

So we wonder what happens if just one, brave, determined MAGA in that crowd has read either the Sermon on the Mount or the Warren Commission Report and agrees with either righteous work.

MAGA eventually tumbles, don’t it?

It only takes one in the crowd, to point out the Emperor is Buck Nekkid. 
 

Z09 » 23 Jul 2023, 9:00 am » wrote: ↑

23 Jul 2023, 9:00 am

Since you're obsessed with MAGA suppose you tell us what's so much better under Biden?

Border?
Covid Deaths?
Inflation?
Interest rates?
Gas prices?

Tell us

Reality.


 

A few words on the Sermon on the Mount.

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Wikipedia

The Sermon on the Mount (anglicized from the Matthean Vulgate Latin section title: Sermo in monte) is a collection of sayings spoken by Jesus of Nazareth found in the Gospel of Matthew (chapters 5, 6, and 7)[1][2] that emphasizes his moral teachings. It is the first of five discourses in the Gospel and has been one of the most widely quoted sections of the Gospels.[3]

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Of the four separate anonymous authors of Matthew Mark Luke and John only the Disciple Matthew could have, in theory, have learned the language of Greek well enough, and also Latin, Hebrew, and Aramaic while a tax collector for Imperial Rome to have actually written the Gospel that bears his name. He’d had to have been crowding 90, older than Sleepy Joe, but it’s possible.


The Sermon on the Mount is without parallel in the history of the written word. All who follow the teaching of it are blessed not only with eternal life but have a perfect guidebook for this life.

And those who follow the Master, won’t fall into much error in this life, either.

The righteous make mistakes, just never any mistakes they can avoid.

Vegas » 22 Jul 2023, 12:05 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Jul 2023, 12:05 pm

Twin Towers: Engineers have repeatedly said that the impacts of the plane and jet fuel could not take down those towers, especially straight down like that.

Read the 911 Commission Report.  I did.  It explains in great detail how the towers were destroyed.  In great detail.  Did I leave out "great detail".  Read it.  So show me how your generic "Engineers" refute the details of the Report, and only then will I be willing to further the discussion.  BTW, "refuting" does not mean putting forth some alternate-universe scenario and completely ignoring what was investigated and reported.  I have seen no such valid alternative report which debunks the 911 Commission report, without resorting to alternative-universe wack-job theories.

Yeah, I'm familiar with the claim that some Israelis were seen in the vicinity of the 911 attacks.  Why was this not in the 911 Commission Report?  Actually, it is.  It is mentioned in the footnotes to Chapter 5 of the Report, but details were left out.  It eventually was discovered and reported in the news.  https://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123885&page=1.  Nothing shows that the Israelis were doing anything other than observing what happened.  I do believe, however, that they had advanced knowledge that "something" was going to take place that day.  Did Israeli authorities report this to any American agency?  No one knows.  Because, this information is classified.  Again, IMHO, nothing should be classified - the American people have a right to know.

https://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report.pdf
https://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123885&page=1

FYI, in the 911 report, they name in detail names of people involved in making the report.  In your OP, you mention no names at all.  Just generic "Engineers". 

 
 

Z09 » 23 Jul 2023, 8:30 am » wrote: ↑

23 Jul 2023, 8:30 am

There is simply no way any deep state could keep the murder of 3000 people a secret during the planning or after the deed.

Like JFK...
After 60 years and there's still no evidence...Just speculation..

Does anyone really think the Secret Service, FBI, CIA and Dallas Police all got together and killed JFK and then kept it quietly...?

I just told you that it isn't a secret.. but let's try it another way, I have asked this question many times over the years but somehow the true believers seem unable to come up with an answer.. not that I think you will but it's fun to see them try to weasel their way out of it.. why aren't their any pictures of a plane hitting the Pentagon to be found anywhere?

 

 
 

Z09 » 23 Jul 2023, 9:12 am » wrote: ↑

23 Jul 2023, 9:12 am

Of course you can't come up with anything?

Except of course....
If you saying all these illegals flooding the country should get free healthcare..

Oh wait..
You did say that!

What would you propose as a solution to those very real and pressing problems?

I don’t think we are ready yet for Medicare for All.  We have to get Medicaid for the poor, wayfaring stranger fully in place first.

But I love the hell out of E Verify.

It’s a MAGA wet dream, complete with lots of government issued photo IDs to not just vote, all kinds of ****. 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-Verify

Is E Verify a good start for the ones that climb over old Trumpy’s wall?

Skans » 23 Jul 2023, 9:20 am » wrote: ↑

23 Jul 2023, 9:20 am

Read the 911 Commission Report.  I did.  It explains in great detail how the towers were destroyed.  In great detail.  Did I leave out "great detail".  Read it.  So show me how your generic "Engineers" refute the details of the Report, and only then will I be willing to further the discussion.  BTW, "refuting" does not mean putting forth some alternate-universe scenario and completely ignoring what was investigated and reported.  I have seen no such valid alternative report which debunks the 911 Commission report, without resorting to alternative-universe wack-job theories.

https://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report.pdf

FYI, in the 911 report, they name in detail names of people involved in making the report.  In your OP, you mention no names at all.  Just generic "Engineers".

You read almost 600 pages of that report?

****
 

Jantje_Smit » 23 Jul 2023, 9:20 am » wrote: ↑

23 Jul 2023, 9:20 am

I just told you that it isn't a secret.. but let's try it another way, I have asked this question many times over the years but somehow the true believers seem unable to come up with an answer.. not that I think you will but it's fun to see them try to weasel their way out of it.. why aren't their any pictures of a plane hitting the Pentagon to be found anywhere?

 

 

that big round hole with no signs of wing impact was interesting too

Z09 » 23 Jul 2023, 9:28 am » wrote: ↑

23 Jul 2023, 9:28 am

You don't want Medicare for all but want illegals to get FREE healthcare...

Wanna explain?

Medicare is earned.  Children haven’t had a chance to earn.  There’s a payroll tax of about 3% on payrolls plus a 1% earned income tax on the wealthy to pay for Medicare.

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Brandon Speaks!

The President’s FY 2024 Budget will lay out President Biden’s plan to invest in America, lower costs for families, protect and strengthen Social Security and Medicare, and reduce the deficit.
 Millions of Americans have been working their whole lives, paying into Medicare with every working day, and want to know that they can count on Medicare to be there for them when they turn 65. The President’s Budget extends the life of the Medicare Trust Fund by at least 25 years. It achieves these gains with no benefit cuts—indeed, while lowering costs for Medicare beneficiaries.
 Extending Medicare SolvencyThe proposals in the President’s Budget would extend the solvency of Medicare’s Hospital Insurance (HI) Trust Fund by at least 25 years, the Medicare Office of the Chief Actuary estimates. While the most recent Medicare Trustees Report projected that the HI Trust Fund would be insolvent in 2028, the President’s Budget would extend solvency at least into the 2050s.
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Medicaid is a means tested poverty program that pays directly to medical providers.

Poor old George Floyd’s doctors were paid by Medicaid.

I hope Medicaid pays the doctors who treat all those Cubans that float over here on rafts, but I don’t know.