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Vegas » 03 Aug 2023, 2:01 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Aug 2023, 2:01 pm

Those animations are only an illustration of the narrative itself. It's not hard to make those. Give me a script, and I'll make an animation out of it. Hollywood does it all the time.

             I specifically told you what was important was the real photos and locations of the downed 5 Light Posts..... When I first posted pics of 2 of the Light Posts, you conceded you were unaware of them, and did not deny their authenticity..... One was a photo of the downed Posts that hit Lloyd England's Taxi.. Are you now going to change course and deny the existence of these 5 Posts, the photographic evidence showing exactly where they stood & fell, and the fact the distance between them would have made it impossible for  a Missile to have ricocheted in a zig-zag pattern to down them before hitting the Building? 

Kobia2 » 03 Aug 2023, 2:46 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Aug 2023, 2:46 pm

                2. The Plane is 125 feet long.... It reached a distance inside of 310 feet, which meant it impacted the 3 outer rings (C,D,E)

                 In short, your assertion is every single piece of physical evidence must have been fabricated , planted or manipulated... You discredit every single eyewitness... The recovery teams who brought the intermingled corpses, body parts and pieces of flesh to the Pentagon's temporary Morgue at the North Parking lot are also liars or co-conspirators,  ----- The Medical team of Forensic Anthropologists at Dover Air Base  who used DNA to identify these remains are also liars and conspirators --- -because according to you, didn't get on an airplane that day -- or simply never existed...  You haven't a single shred of hard evidence that anything other than American Airlines Flight 77 Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon on 9/11 --- You cannot provide the names or proof of any of the players involved who planned & orchestrated what would have to be the greatest inside job conspiracy & cover up in the history of the world... For the Inside Jobber's narrative to fit, there would have to have literally been hundreds if not thousands of people involved  --- yet 20 years on they still only have suspicions, accusations and theories. 

              We are in disagreement as to what constitutes common sense... 

1. The wingspan is 125 feet long, not the length of the plane. The hole width is 75ft wide. 
2. The only evidence that you have is what people said and what was written in the report. That's it. You aren't giving anything physical. Just what so and so said. Them saying they have physical evidence does not mean that they have physical evidence. 

Kobia2 » 03 Aug 2023, 2:51 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Aug 2023, 2:51 pm

             I specifically told you what was important was the real photos and locations of the downed 5 Light Posts..... When I first posted pics of 2 of the Light Posts, you conceded you were unaware of them, and did not deny their authenticity..... One was a photo of the downed Posts that hit Lloyd England's Taxi.. Are you now going to change course and deny the existence of these 5 Posts, the photographic evidence showing exactly where they stood & fell, and the fact the distance between them would have made it impossible for  a Missile to have ricocheted in a zig-zag pattern to down them before hitting the Building? 

I recently looked at pics of these light posts from a birds eye view and a distance. I see no light posts down. I see them down in the animation, but where are they down in the real pics? 

@Kobia2  Where are the downed light posts?

Vegas » 03 Aug 2023, 2:53 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Aug 2023, 2:53 pm

1. The wingspan is 125 feet long, not the length of the plane. The hole width is 75ft wide. 
2. The only evidence that you have is what people said and what was written in the report. That's it. You aren't giving anything physical. Just what so and so said. Them saying they have physical evidence does not mean that they have physical evidence.

             Correction... the PLane is 155 feet long, with a wing span of 125 feet..... If the Plane is 155 feet long and parts of it reached over 300 feet inside the outer wall of the Pentagon, why would it be impossible according to you that the Tail would not have also traveled inside the building>? The Wings are far lighter than the fuselage of a Plane, and certainly not as strong as reinforced concrete.... You have convinced yourself the plane should have made a cookie-cutter type of hole in the building in the shape of the plane --- the reality is the wings most likely disintegrated when it struck the building as reported by witness . pilot Tim Timmerman, with some of the small pieces going inside with the rest of the plane, and some outside.. 

Vegas » 03 Aug 2023, 2:56 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Aug 2023, 2:56 pm

I recently looked at pics of these light posts from a birds eye view and a distance. I see no light posts down. I see them down in the animation, but where are they down in the real pics?

          Watch the Video again.... The animation stops when it depicts the Plane's wings clipping these 5 Light Posts.... with each Post the animation stops, and an actual photo of the Light Post is shown at that location..... 4 of those Posts are on the opposite side of the street of the picture you posted, so they wouldn't be in that photo.... Watch the video again.

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVDdjLQkUV8
 

Kobia2 » 03 Aug 2023, 3:07 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Aug 2023, 3:07 pm

          Watch the Video again.... The animation stops when it depicts the Plane's wings clipping these 5 Light Posts.... with each Post the animation stops, and an actual photo of the Light Post is shown at that location..... 4 of those Posts are on the opposite side of the street of the picture you posted, so they wouldn't be in that photo.... Watch the video again.

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVDdjLQkUV8

Some of the pics are difficult to make out. However, this one may be better. Go to 1:36 on your animation - Lamp post 5. Two things: 

1. The lamp post in the lawn area, where your animation shows, is still there. Am I wrong? If I am, then what am I seeing? 
2. The other posts were right in the path of the plane, but are standing. I admit that it's hard to see , due to this distance, but it seems to be the same poles that your animation is showing. 

Z09 » 03 Aug 2023, 3:24 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Aug 2023, 3:24 pm

Tell us....
Why didn't these people report a missile?

Because they convinced themselves it was a plane. Just like the others. 

Z09 » 03 Aug 2023, 3:23 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Aug 2023, 3:23 pm

There's numerous photos of the down lamp posts

Again, I am asking for pics of ones that show they are from the pentagon. We went over this. 

Vegas » 03 Aug 2023, 3:25 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Aug 2023, 3:25 pm

Some of the pics are difficult to make out. However, this one may be better. Go to 1:36 on your animation - Lamp post 5. Two things: 

1. The lamp post in the lawn area, where your animation shows, is still there. Am I wrong? If I am, then what am I seeing? 
2. The other posts were right in the path of the plane, but are standing. I admit that it's hard to see , due to this distance, but it seems to be the same poles that your animation is showing. 

          Look at Light Post 5 again.... 
In the animation photo, it is shown downed and its location is obstructed in this picture you posted.... The location of Post #5 in relation to this picture would be on the left side of the pic ---you see a smaller 2 story structure with a yellow Emergency vehicle parked in front of it.. Now following a line  from the building and yellow Truck , you can see a Pentagon Complex Roadway with a Bus parked on it to the right of the cluster of trees... This is before reaching the Highway in the photo... The Light Post would be on the lawn in front of the Bus or other vehicles on the Complex Roadway or further left in front of the cluster of trees next to the highway... Either location, it would be obstructed from view....

         If you see where the Highway is adjacent to that same cluster of trees on the far left of photo, you will notice there is a slight decline in the terrain (the Highway sits higher than the Pentagon building & grounds) .... The Photo of downed Post 4 is shown clearly on this embankment and adjacent to the Highway.... 

     

Z09 » 02 Aug 2023, 11:46 am » wrote: ↑

02 Aug 2023, 11:46 am

          You weren't suppose to peek while they were busy planting those pieces of an American Airlines Boeing 757.
 

Z09 » 02 Aug 2023, 12:05 pm » wrote: ↑

02 Aug 2023, 12:05 pm

Why would they air something at one point ...
...And not air it again?

Simple..
Because throughout the days there's updates and more information coming out..

Simply because you see something on TV at 11 AM but 3 PM there's much more news..

Unless of course if you have one reporter covering 20 different stories at the same time

         True,
I remember 9/11 vividly, and initially there were people insisting the Twin Towers were also attacked with Missiles, despite the many eyewitnesses who saw & reported seeing commercial Airlines striking the World Trade Center.....

        And when the first images / videos of the Planes were made available showing the Planes hitting the towers, many of the inside Jobbers still refused to believe it ---  insisting the footage had been manipulated to appear as American Airline 757s , when in fact it was a Missile strike 

Z09 » 03 Aug 2023, 4:12 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Aug 2023, 4:12 pm

Amazing how there's no footage of plane parts being BROUGHT to the Pentagon

         Or body parts belonging to the passengers and crew of Flight 77 ---if they even existed of course. 

Kobia2 » 03 Aug 2023, 4:07 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Aug 2023, 4:07 pm

          Look at Light Post 5 again.... 
In the animation photo, it is shown downed and its location is obstructed in this picture you posted.... The location of Post #5 in relation to this picture would be on the left side of the pic ---you see a smaller 2 story structure with a yellow Emergency vehicle parked in front of it.. Now following a line  from the building and yellow Truck , you can see a Pentagon Complex Roadway with a Bus parked on it to the right of the cluster of trees... This is before reaching the Highway in the photo... The Light Post would be on the lawn in front of the Bus or other vehicles on the Complex Roadway or further left in front of the cluster of trees next to the highway... Either location, it would be obstructed from view....

         If you see where the Highway is adjacent to that same cluster of trees on the far left of photo, you will notice there is a slight decline in the terrain (the Highway sits higher than the Pentagon building & grounds) .... The Photo of downed Post 4 is shown clearly on this embankment and adjacent to the Highway.... 

     

Are you sure it's the wrong angle? The animation has the plane going over the circular pathway. It went in on an angle. This pic appears to be the same angle. Yes, there is a lot of obstruction in the pic. I agree. I couldn't find one better. I was trying to find one that showed the same angle as the plane would have entered. Also, I have heard of many cases where emergency crews needed to cut down obstructions to allow their vehicles better access to the scenes. I didn't hear that to happen at the pentagon. I am just saying that it's not uncommon for that to happen. 

Z09 » 03 Aug 2023, 4:12 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Aug 2023, 4:12 pm

Amazing how there's no footage of plane parts being BROUGHT to the Pentagon

What? Why would there be if they were covering up?     

Z09 » 03 Aug 2023, 5:10 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Aug 2023, 5:10 pm

Can you maybe show us all these people that said they saw a missile?

Can you show me where the plane is? The one in the pentagon.

Vegas » 03 Aug 2023, 4:48 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Aug 2023, 4:48 pm

Are you sure it's the wrong angle? The animation has the plane going over the circular pathway. It went in on an angle. This pic appears to be the same angle. Yes, there is a lot of obstruction in the pic. I agree. I couldn't find one better. I was trying to find one that showed the same angle as the plane would have entered. Also, I have heard of many cases where emergency crews needed to cut down obstructions to allow their vehicles better access to the scenes. I didn't hear that to happen at the pentagon. I am just saying that it's not uncommon for that to happen.

              This is an overhead depiction of the final path the Plane was on when it struck the Pentagon.....

      I'd mentioned before the angle in which some of the pictures on the ground were taken unquestionably caused confusion ... In some, it made it appear as though there was a tight grouping of numerous Street Lights, in a circle pattern that would have resulted in many more of them having to be struck in order for the Plane to have flown that route..... I'd also mentioned the aerial photos showed a more accurate positioning of this cluster of Lights, as they were much closer to the parking lot rather than the point of impact -- which is in fact the case..... 

               When you look at this schematic, the 5 Light Posts which the Plane struck and downed are in Yellow... The cluster / circle of Lights and some others marked in Blue are along the roundabout which you can see is closer to the parking lot.... 

                 Also,
There is the single Orange Dot in the upper right portion of this schematic depicting what is termed an Exit Hole.. This is an Outer Wall of C-Ring which was the furthest point (310 feet ) pieces of the PLane reached. 

                 
 

Z09 » 03 Aug 2023, 5:19 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Aug 2023, 5:19 pm

There's photos of plane parts but you don't believe them...
There's members of Congress that viewed the site and saw debris.....But you don't believe them..

I really wish you'd produce the people that saw a missile so I can call them liars..

But you don't have anyone that saw a missile...

           Had there even been the slightest plausible rumour, let alone proof that a Missile struck the Pentagon -- or that elements of our government ESPECIALLY the George W Bush Administration murdered 3000 of our own people on 9/11, every single Mainstream Media organization in the galaxy would never have cut their losses, abandoned their wishful conspiracy thinking, and dropped the story...  Look how they handled Rusia-Gate, and the lengths they went to destroy Trump, knowing there was nothing to the story... 

Kobia2 » 03 Aug 2023, 7:45 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Aug 2023, 7:45 pm

              This is an overhead depiction of the final path the Plane was on when it struck the Pentagon.....

      I'd mentioned before the angle in which some of the pictures on the ground were taken unquestionably caused confusion ... In some, it made it appear as though there was a tight grouping of numerous Street Lights, in a circle pattern that would have resulted in many more of them having to be struck in order for the Plane to have flown that route..... I'd also mentioned the aerial photos showed a more accurate positioning of this cluster of Lights, as they were much closer to the parking lot rather than the point of impact -- which is in fact the case..... 

               When you look at this schematic, the 5 Light Posts which the Plane struck and downed are in Yellow... The cluster / circle of Lights and some others marked in Blue are along the roundabout which you can see is closer to the parking lot.... 

                 Also,
There is the single Orange Dot in the upper right portion of this schematic depicting what is termed an Exit Hole.. This is an Outer Wall of C-Ring which was the furthest point (310 feet ) pieces of the PLane reached. 

                 

1. I freely admit that I cannot say with certainty that the post I see in my pic is the same as the one in this schematic and in your animation. The yellow dot to the left of the middle plane, in the schematic, is the one that, to me anyway, is the same one in my pic, which is still standing. Yet, it was supposed to be clipped. Again, with the congestion and obstructions, I admit that I cannot say it is the same one with certainty. 

2. I see the angle to which the plane hit. I still cannot see how the hole could only be 75 feet wide. That wing span is 125 feet. According to the sketch above, the hole doesn't account for that. I'll check the dimensions again. I was certain that the hole was 75 feet wide though. Maybe it was wider and I was misinformed. 

Vegas » 03 Aug 2023, 11:59 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Aug 2023, 11:59 pm

1. I freely admit that I cannot say with certainty that the post I see in my pic is the same as the one in this schematic and in your animation. The yellow dot to the left of the middle plane, in the schematic, is the one that, to me anyway, is the same one in my pic, which is still standing. Yet, it was supposed to be clipped. Again, with the congestion and obstructions, I admit that I cannot say it is the same one with certainty. 

2. I see the angle to which the plane hit. I still cannot see how the hole could only be 75 feet wide. That wing span is 125 feet. According to the sketch above, the hole doesn't account for that. I'll check the dimensions again. I was certain that the hole was 75 feet wide though. Maybe it was wider and I was misinformed.

The center fuselage  of a 757 is 12 feet six inches.

It weighed well over 200,000 pounds (100 tons) and was traveling 530 miles an hour (777 feet per second)

It was had the most destructive energy of any missile ever fired in world history.  The energy was in billions or trillions of foot pounds.

As it passed through the aft section expanded, blowing out a 75 foot diameter hole.