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Jantje_Smit » 04 Aug 2023, 2:40 am » wrote: ↑

04 Aug 2023, 2:40 am

I have arguments and (missing) evidence to support my assertations & storyline, all you and zo9 have is.. but the witnesses said...  

But I don't mind, I had this 'discussion' before, it brings back fun memories.. so about that animation.. compare this part to the picture you posted.. yeah, it's those lampposts again...

 

 

                                   
             See my Post  #953
         

Kobia2 » 04 Aug 2023, 8:52 am » wrote: ↑

04 Aug 2023, 8:52 am

                                   
             See my Post  #953
         

I saw that, it's easy to draw a bunch of dots, not so easy to come up with pictures of knocked down lampposts... but just for fun I looked up that picture of the planted one with the taxi.. I'm trying to match that with the yellow dots but I'm not having much luck.. there are lampposts still standing behing the taxi, those should be blue dots... the only one I can think of is the far left one but then the parking lot or at least the corner of the Pentagon should be visible in the picture but it isn't...


 

Jantje_Smit » 04 Aug 2023, 8:45 am » wrote: ↑

04 Aug 2023, 8:45 am

But you're welcome to prove me wrong, try to find a post of yourself where you actually answer a question..

 

Good luck with that

all he does is butwhatabout 
 

Kobia2 » 04 Aug 2023, 8:19 am » wrote: ↑

04 Aug 2023, 8:19 am

    
                         Your Pic was taken at ground level.... I think the aerial photos show a more accurate depiction of where these Light Posts actually stood, and were downed... As I mentioned, some of the photos taken at ground level made it appear there was a bunching of these Posts in front of the point of impact --- when we can clearly see from above they were at a roundabout closer to the parking lot..   Even if choosing to discount the Post you have in question, that still leaves the 4 remaining Posts... Again, the way these Posts are positioned and the distance (width) between them, it would have taken an aircraft with a wide enough wingspan to hit them.... Missiles do not have such wingspans... 

                      The Fuselage of the Plane is much heavier than the wings and impacted the building nose- first -- punching the hole we see in the photos...  In Robert Franken's (CNN) interview with Pilot Tim Timmerman we discussed, Timmerman describes the plane disintegrated on impact ---- this was most likely the wings... The momentum of the fuselage pulled this debris into the building... Debris from the 155 ft long 757 reached 310 feet, breaching  E (the point of impact) Ring, D Ring and finally ending at C Ring.. I don't see it as a far reach the Tail following the rest of the plane into the building....   I just think many people were mistaken to believe the Plane would have punched a cookie cutter type hole in the shape of a Plane like we saw more inline with the first Tower that was struck at the World Trade Center... The difference was the wall construction of the buildings... 

You make valid points. The first part, regarding the lamp posts, I am going to have to keep my mouth shut, because I am unable to see what happened to the 5 posts in real pics, one way or the other. I understand what your animation and sketch is saying. However, to me, it's still incredibly difficult to match up real pics to the animation and sketch. I understand their pics, but I am trying to find evidence that those pics are the ones from the pentagon. 

I am still sketchy about the explanations into why most of the debris was supposedly inside the pentagon. The explanation and the animation does not accurately depict the hole. Both claimed, as do I, that at least the left wing had hit the outside of the hole. Let's assume it disintegrated, as claimed. There is no evidence of it hitting the outside wall. No scratches, no burns, no chips or even a divot, just nothing. The claim also is that the right wing hit the ground before it hit the wall, then disintegrated from the explosion. Again, there is nothing on the lawn or before the building that indicates that happened. The animation shows the plane going in on an angle, it doesn't show it hitting the ground first. However, when listening to some experts who try to debunk people like me, they have said that the plane hit the ground first, then went into the building. On the other hand, some experts, who try to debunk people like me, say the plane never hit the ground first. Their stories aren't matching with each other. Nor do they match the pic of the hole. 

Jantje_Smit » 04 Aug 2023, 9:40 am » wrote: ↑

04 Aug 2023, 9:40 am

I saw that, it's easy to draw a bunch of dots, not so easy to come up with pictures of knocked down lampposts... but just for fun I looked up that picture of the planted one with the taxi.. I'm trying to match that with the yellow dots but I'm not having much luck.. there are lampposts still standing behing the taxi, those should be blue dots... the only one I can think of is the far left one but then the parking lot or at least the corner of the Pentagon should be visible in the picture but it isn't...


 

               This Light Post pictured that came down on the Taxi was the first one knocked down, and was the furthest most Right on the route the Plane traveled to hit the building... The second Post that was struck and downed would be further to the Left and out of frame in this photo of the Taxi...  The Light Posts you see positioned and still standing behind the Taxi are to the Right of this First Post struck, and the Plane's path & impact point ... Look at the First Yellow Dot on the schematic (pictured on bottom left ) which depicts the Light Post that landed on the Taxi -----  Now, following along the Plane's Path you see 3  Blue Dots along the right side of the path depicting the 3 Light which are the ones you see pictured behind the taxi... 

               The animation Video of the Plane's direct path to the Building along with each of the 5 Light Posts downed and their locations  was supported by photographs of each downed Light Post... 
 

Z09 » 04 Aug 2023, 8:53 am » wrote: ↑

04 Aug 2023, 8:53 am

You think there should be this perfect outline of a plane on the side of the Pentagon..
And that's just dumb... 

That's a new one, where did that come from, did I miss something... besides a plane that it is..

 
 
 

Jantje_Smit » 04 Aug 2023, 8:45 am » wrote: ↑

04 Aug 2023, 8:45 am

lol... I actually answered your questions, you're the one that hasn't answered a single one of mine..

Nah, I'm not going to bother with the copy/paste of my own quotes anymore, too much trouble and it won't do any good with team clueless anyway...

But you're welcome to prove me wrong, try to find a post of yourself where you actually answer a question..

 

This was my complaint about Z09 also. I graciously answered hers, but she evaded mine, just like what BlackVegtable used to do. I stopped dealing with her because of that. The dishonesty is exhausting. If she is reading this, then mark my words, she will deflect back to her same statements about witnesses, plane tickets, etc...I have addressed those already, but she won't address my questions. So **** her. 

Z09 » 04 Aug 2023, 10:55 am » wrote: ↑

04 Aug 2023, 10:55 am

You and Vegas says the hole is 75 feet and the plane is 125 feet..

That's part of your conspiracy...

But the point is when the plane crashed it blew up...
There's not a perfct outline of 125 feet going into the building

Hey ​​​​@Jantje_Smit  , watch her deflect from this question: 

Z09, where are the marks on the outside of the wall where the wing blew up on? 

And deflection about witnesses, plane tickets, and whatever else in 3...2...1....Go!

Z09 » 04 Aug 2023, 11:00 am » wrote: ↑

04 Aug 2023, 11:00 am

Dishonesty?
You're telling us that a 757 jet was disassembled ..
...But we can't ask any details...

Such as where?
Who did it?
What happened to the passengers...?
Well actually you stated the passengers never existed...

   @Jantje_Smit  just as I predicted. ^^^  

Kobia2 » 04 Aug 2023, 10:30 am » wrote: ↑

04 Aug 2023, 10:30 am

               This Light Post pictured that came down on the Taxi was the first one knocked down, and was the furthest most Right on the route the Plane traveled to hit the building... The second Post that was struck and downed would be further to the Left and out of frame in this photo of the Taxi...  The Light Posts you see positioned and still standing behind the Taxi are to the Right of this First Post struck, and the Plane's path & impact point ... Look at the First Yellow Dot on the schematic (pictured on bottom left ) which depicts the Light Post that landed on the Taxi -----  Now, following along the Plane's Path you see 3  Blue Dots along the right side of the path depicting the 3 Light which are the ones you see pictured behind the taxi... 

               The animation Video of the Plane's direct path to the Building along with each of the 5 Light Posts downed and their locations  was supported by photographs of each downed Light Post... 

Yes, that's what I thought but as I said, then the parking lot should be visible in the pic of the taxi, it looks like it's closer to the hole along the highway... however, I will let that go and not bother you with lampposts anymore.. we can agree that they planted it in a credible location...

 
 

Z09 » 04 Aug 2023, 11:09 am » wrote: ↑

04 Aug 2023, 11:09 am

You seem annoyed because it's hard for some people to think hundreds and hundreds of people got together BEFORE 911 and decided to commit mass murder...

And when asked some direct questions about airplanes, witnesses, debris and footage you explain and it's a stupid explanation..

A 757 is disassembled?
You never answered..

A missile crashed into the Pentagon...
From where?
No answer

Passengers and familes that dropped them off at the airport that morning..?
They weren't real people?

WTF?

Oh my God. I have answered this so many damn times already. You won't answer my questions. So, give me one credible reason I should answer even one more of yours? ****....even that was a question that you won't answer.   

 

Z09 » 04 Aug 2023, 11:05 am » wrote: ↑

04 Aug 2023, 11:05 am

You don't see marks outside the walls.?
I see walls knocked down and damage caused by a fire...

 

No. I don't. I see a 75 foot tunnel. Tell me exactly where you see the evidence of a wing hitting the outside. Even the **** sign is unharmed. 


 

 

Z09 » 04 Aug 2023, 11:14 am » wrote: ↑

04 Aug 2023, 11:14 am

You answered by saying the passengers NEVER existed...

Well..
A beg to differ...

Well...
I don't care. Keep begging. 

Z09 » 04 Aug 2023, 11:17 am » wrote: ↑

04 Aug 2023, 11:17 am

You do know that the roof collapsed 45 minutes after the explosion, right?   

Z09 » 04 Aug 2023, 11:18 am » wrote: ↑

04 Aug 2023, 11:18 am

That's the inner wall..

We have hundreds of people saying it was a plane...
You have ZERO saying it was a missile..

Nobody saw a cruise missile in the air for 2 hours on that morning
Why is that?

There's footage of plane debris, eye witnesses and a crash...
Well....
If it wasn't a plane crash where's the plane?

You said it was flown to Area 51?
WTF?
Do you know how dumb that sounds?

Then you said the missile was shot from a military base...
Well..
Where's the footage?
Do you really think you can shoot off a cruise missile without someone noticing it?
(Yes you do)
Then you said it came from a submarine..
What sub?  (can't answer)

You think there should be this perfect outline of a plane on the side of the Pentagon..
And that's just dumb...

Oh my God. You have said the same **** thing over and over and over and over.....I have addressed all of this. Now shut up already. 

Read my siggy that pertained to BV when he is here. I may need to change it to your name, because you are doing both rule 1 and rule 2. 

Z09 » 04 Aug 2023, 10:55 am » wrote: ↑

04 Aug 2023, 10:55 am

You and Vegas says the hole is 75 feet and the plane is 125 feet..

That's part of your conspiracy... 

No, that's simply a fact..

But the point is when the plane crashed it blew up...
There's not a perfect outline of 125 feet going into the building

The wings blew up before they hit the Pentagon?

 

 







 
 

Vegas » 04 Aug 2023, 11:14 am » wrote: ↑

04 Aug 2023, 11:14 am

No. I don't. I see a 75 foot tunnel. Tell me exactly where you see the evidence of a wing hitting the outside. Even the **** sign is unharmed. 

that's clearly an inner wall

no parking sign and all

Jantje_Smit » 04 Aug 2023, 11:09 am » wrote: ↑

04 Aug 2023, 11:09 am

Yes, that's what I thought but as I said, then the parking lot should be visible in the pic of the taxi, it looks like it's closer to the hole along the highway... however, I will let that go and not bother you with lampposts anymore.. we can agree that they planted it in a credible location

        No the Parking Lot would not be visible in the Photo with the Taxi...... The cluster of Lights and others at the Roundabout, next to the Parking Lot are to the Right  and out of Frame of the Lights shown standing in the Taxi photo... 

        You can agree the Light Posts were lasso'd down or planted at credible locations when no one was peeking --  and that all the people who saw an American Airlines Boeing 757 knocking them down were lying to achieve 15 minutes of fame...   
 

Vegas » 04 Aug 2023, 11:14 am » wrote: ↑

04 Aug 2023, 11:14 am

No. I don't. I see a 75 foot tunnel. Tell me exactly where you see the evidence of a wing hitting the outside. Even the **** sign is unharmed. 

             This is one of the inner walls.... It's an exit hole in one of the Rings coming from the outside in.... The No Parking Sign is most likely because with the Building being more than 6 Million Sq Ft, scooters and other cart type vehicles were used within the corridors between A-B-C-D-and E Rings.. 
 

Kobia2 » 04 Aug 2023, 11:43 am » wrote: ↑

04 Aug 2023, 11:43 am

             This is one of the inner walls.... It's an exit hole in one of the Rings coming from the outside in.... The No Parking Sign is most likely because with the Building being more than 6 Million Sq Ft, scooters and other cart type vehicles were used within the corridors between A-B-C-D-and E Rings.. 

Yes. My bad. Thanks.