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Z09 » 04 Aug 2023, 1:48 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Aug 2023, 1:48 pm

So all these people lied about seeing a plane when they really saw a missile?

I found this plane wreckage, my bad. I never saw this one. It is the tail. I didn't know about this. 



 

Vegas » 22 Jul 2023, 12:05 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Jul 2023, 12:05 pm

I have started many threads about this...well, here is another one. 

Pentagon: Where is the **** plane? 
Building 7: What the **** caused that collapse? It wasn't hit. And building fires don't cause a straight down collapse...they just  burn.
Twin Towers: Engineers have repeatedly said that the impacts of the plane and jet fuel could not take down those towers, especially straight down like that. 
Amateur pilots: How the hell can 19 rag heads, with barely any flight experience, fly those gigantic planes with such precision?

Al Jazeera
https://www.aljazeera.com › opinions › 9-11-should-h...
Sep 11, 2021 — Smoke pours from the twin towers of the World Trade Center after they were hit by two hijacked airliners in an attack on September 11, 2001 ...

razoo » 04 Aug 2023, 2:53 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Aug 2023, 2:53 pm

Al Jazeera
https://www.aljazeera.com › opinions › 9-11-should-h...
Sep 11, 2021 — Smoke pours from the twin towers of the World Trade Center after they were hit by two hijacked airliners in an attack on September 11, 2001 ...

Really? Well...no ****. I didn't know that happened. Thanks Razoo for posting the **** obvious.  

Vegas » 04 Aug 2023, 2:45 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Aug 2023, 2:45 pm

I found this plane wreckage, my bad. I never saw this one. It is the tail. I didn't know about this. 

it flew from the Indian Ocean?

Vegas » 04 Aug 2023, 2:45 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Aug 2023, 2:45 pm

I found this plane wreckage, my bad. I never saw this one. It is the tail. I didn't know about this. 

That wreckage is from a different airliner crash... at least according to Google and CNN.

https://www.cnn.com/2015/08/29/europe/m ... index.html


 

razoo » 04 Aug 2023, 2:53 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Aug 2023, 2:53 pm

Al Jazeera
https://www.aljazeera.com › opinions › 9-11-should-h...
Sep 11, 2021 — Smoke pours from the twin towers of the World Trade Center after they were hit by two hijacked airliners in an attack on September 11, 2001 ...9/11 should have led to a criminal investigation, not a war

9/11 should have led to a criminal investigation, not a war......... the Iraq war took the spotlight off the GW Bush admin screw up.......

razoo » 04 Aug 2023, 3:22 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Aug 2023, 3:22 pm

9/11 should have led to a criminal investigation, not a war......... the Iraq war took the spotlight off the GW Bush admin screw up.......

which ultimately produced the second GW Bush/Cheney screw up

 https://apjjf.org/-William-E.-Odom/2335/article.html
 

Jantje_Smit » 04 Aug 2023, 10:51 am » wrote: ↑

04 Aug 2023, 10:51 am

That's a new one, where did that come from, did I miss something... besides a plane that it is..

:rofl:  
 
 

Nobody misses anything they intentionally ignore. They will miss things that never happened naturally after ideas believed possible after birth.

RedheadedStranger » 04 Aug 2023, 3:05 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Aug 2023, 3:05 pm

That wreckage is from a different airliner crash... at least according to Google and CNN.

https://www.cnn.com/2015/08/29/europe/m ... index.html

have you done a reverse look up? that's fun to do.  
 

Z09 » 04 Aug 2023, 2:33 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Aug 2023, 2:33 pm

This has been going on for 50 pages...

I think a plane hit the Pentagon...
A couple others here think it was a missile..

For the recrod...
They have many more responses than I do

Let us try this.

Flight 77 hit the Pentagon.  That is established fact.

Isn’t it rewarding and fun to try and tell the truth and convince those in error, to believe truth?

Vegas » 04 Aug 2023, 2:45 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Aug 2023, 2:45 pm

I found this plane wreckage, my bad. I never saw this one. It is the tail. I didn't know about this. 

      
              I hadn't seen it either.... what was the source?... 

Kobia2 » 04 Aug 2023, 5:58 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Aug 2023, 5:58 pm

Vegas » 04 Aug 2023, 2:45 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Aug 2023, 2:45 pm

I found this plane wreckage, my bad. I never saw this one. It is the tail. I didn't know about this. 

      
              I hadn't seen it either.... what was the source?... 

 

 

Redheaded » wrote:

28 Jan 1970, 1:52 am

Vegas » 04 Aug 2023, 2:45 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Aug 2023, 2:45 pm

I found this plane wreckage, my bad. I never saw this one. It is the tail. I didn't know about this. 

That wreckage is from a different airliner crash... at least according to Google and CNN.

https://www.cnn.com/2015/08/29/europe/m ... index.html


 

 

 

Mrkelly » 04 Aug 2023, 2:56 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Aug 2023, 2:56 pm

Vegas » 04 Aug 2023, 2:45 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Aug 2023, 2:45 pm

I found this plane wreckage, my bad. I never saw this one. It is the tail. I didn't know about this. 

it flew from the Indian Ocean?

 

You all messed up my plan. It wasn't from the pentagon. It was a wrech somewhere else. I was trying to show Z09 how easy it is to lie. All I had to do was say it was from the pentagon on the Boeing 757, and she would have bought right into without questions. I was showing her how easy it is to lie to a populace who rarely ask questions. 

@Mrkelly  @Kobia2  @Redheaded Stranger  and I would have gotten away with it also if hadn't been for you meddling kids!     

Z09 » 04 Aug 2023, 6:56 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Aug 2023, 6:56 pm

Well..
I didn't fall for your lie...
And your phony photo...

Oh please. You would have if the others didn't chime in. 

Vegas » 01 Aug 2023, 11:15 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Aug 2023, 11:15 pm

Here is the thing, the burden of proof is on the people who are making the claim. The claim is that a plane hit the pentagon. I don't owe an explanation as to how a missile or whatever else theory could have explained the hole. I don't even have to have a theory. The burden of proof falls on the shoulders of those making the claim. Z09 keeps pulling a BlackVegtable, which is to evade, deflect, and try and turn the conversation to what she wants. BV was a miserable idiot. I won't address a BV tactic. 

Facts: 

• The hole was 75 feet wide. The wingspan was 125 feet. 
• There is no evidence of any markings outside the hole where the wings and engines would have had to hit. The hole looks like it was just a body of a plane that never had any wings at all. 
• There are no photos of plane pieces that show them at the pentagon. I saw pieces of a plane, but there was no evidence those pieces were the pentagon crash.
• There was one piece of an engine showed to the Rolls-Royce manufactures, the makers of the engine. They didn't recognize that piece as anything they made. 
• Only one operational camera that runs 1 frame per second. WTH? Yeah, okay. 

Facts don't matter when you're a believer. 
And I already showed you that you're wrong about there being no plane pieces at the Pentagon.  
My brother helped collect them. 
 

Z09 » 04 Aug 2023, 7:43 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Aug 2023, 7:43 pm

I would have...???
I'm trying to have an honest debate and you show a phony plane part..

And I didn't fall for it...

This is one of the few pics I have ever seen of "plane wreckage" at the Pentagon on 9/11.


 
There is another one of an engine that supposedly made it intact almost all the way through the inner ring of the building, but I haven't seen it circulating as of late.

 
 

Vegas » 04 Aug 2023, 6:46 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Aug 2023, 6:46 pm

@Mrkelly  @Kobia2  @Redheaded Stranger  and I would have gotten away with it also if hadn't been for you meddling kids!   

The barnacles gave it away
 

Kobia2 » 04 Aug 2023, 11:43 am » wrote: ↑

04 Aug 2023, 11:43 am

             This is one of the inner walls.... It's an exit hole in one of the Rings coming from the outside in.... The No Parking Sign is most likely because with the Building being more than 6 Million Sq Ft, scooters and other cart type vehicles were used within the corridors between A-B-C-D-and E Rings.. 

I said no more lampposts so I won't argue about the planting.. lol.. but that's also an interesting one, according to you and Z09 the plane was completely vaporized when it hit the Pentagon so there should be no wreckage.. lol.. but if that's true how did it manage to make a hole in one of the inner rings?


 
 

Z09 » 04 Aug 2023, 1:43 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Aug 2023, 1:43 pm

Sean Boger was one of the few people at the Pentagon who saw the plane coming in so low it took down a street light.

"I just looked up and, you know, a plane was flying directly at us," he said.

He said it was just 10 to 15 seconds before the plane hit the building.

"I just couldn't believe something that big could be flying that low and flying directly at us," he reiterated.

Boger was in the control tower for the Pentagon's helipad when he saw the plane, which was flying at 530 mph, loaded with 7,000 gallons of jet fuel and carrying 59 people.

I made some parts bold of your witness statement.. maybe you can guess why.. lol.. just kidding...

I know you don't answer questions but just to point it out..

If the plane was flying so low why did he have to look up?

And 10 to 15 seconds at 530mph would be a few miles.. are we seriously supposed to believe that a hijacker who couldn't even properly pilot a Cessna managed to keep a boeing 757 a few feet above the ground for miles through Washington DC?

Also, if you see a plane a few miles away it's just a tiny dot, no way to tell if it's flying directly towards you..

 
 
 

Z09 » 05 Aug 2023, 5:27 am » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2023, 5:27 am

And because he said he "looked up" it's now part of your nutty conspiracy? 

No, that's just to show that witnesses make stuff up to make their story sound better....

You question if the pilot could have flown a 757 with limited training.

No, I don't question it.. lol.. I'm just pointing out something..

Let's put it this way...
Two other pilots managed to fly into the WTC with limited training.

Nah, let's put it in the way that those other planes were remote controlled...

But since you actually answered a question.. sort of.. lol.. I will answer one of yours..

And we're to believe your theory that a cruise missile from 1000 miles away was fired at the Pentagon before any hijacking and nobody saw it.....
No other pilots?
Air traffic controllers?
Norad?

I already told you that the ocean is only a hundred miles away from the Pentagon so I'm not going to bother but other pilots would be high up in the air, no way they would see a small cruise missile just above the waves, if they even bothered to look.. air traffic controllers watch transponder signals on a radar screen, cruise missiles don't advertise themselves to air traffic control... as for Norad, I don't know how good they are but a low flying cruise missile would be very hard to detect and it was just an ordinary morning, they had no reason to look for it, their coffee was probably more important..