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Z09 » 04 Aug 2023, 2:33 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Aug 2023, 2:33 pm

This has been going on for 50 pages...

I think a plane hit the Pentagon...
A couple others here think it was a missile..

For the recrod...
They have many more responses than I do

Let us try this.

Flight 77 hit the Pentagon.  That is established fact.

Isn’t it rewarding and fun to try and tell the truth and convince those in error, to believe truth?

Vegas » 04 Aug 2023, 2:45 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Aug 2023, 2:45 pm

I found this plane wreckage, my bad. I never saw this one. It is the tail. I didn't know about this. 

      
              I hadn't seen it either.... what was the source?... 

Kobia2 » 04 Aug 2023, 5:58 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Aug 2023, 5:58 pm

Vegas » 04 Aug 2023, 2:45 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Aug 2023, 2:45 pm

I found this plane wreckage, my bad. I never saw this one. It is the tail. I didn't know about this. 

      
              I hadn't seen it either.... what was the source?... 

 

 

Redheaded » wrote:

28 Jan 1970, 1:52 am

Vegas » 04 Aug 2023, 2:45 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Aug 2023, 2:45 pm

I found this plane wreckage, my bad. I never saw this one. It is the tail. I didn't know about this. 

That wreckage is from a different airliner crash... at least according to Google and CNN.

https://www.cnn.com/2015/08/29/europe/m ... index.html


 

 

 

Mrkelly » 04 Aug 2023, 2:56 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Aug 2023, 2:56 pm

Vegas » 04 Aug 2023, 2:45 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Aug 2023, 2:45 pm

I found this plane wreckage, my bad. I never saw this one. It is the tail. I didn't know about this. 

it flew from the Indian Ocean?

 

You all messed up my plan. It wasn't from the pentagon. It was a wrech somewhere else. I was trying to show Z09 how easy it is to lie. All I had to do was say it was from the pentagon on the Boeing 757, and she would have bought right into without questions. I was showing her how easy it is to lie to a populace who rarely ask questions. 

@Mrkelly  @Kobia2  @Redheaded Stranger  and I would have gotten away with it also if hadn't been for you meddling kids!     

Z09 » 04 Aug 2023, 6:56 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Aug 2023, 6:56 pm

Well..
I didn't fall for your lie...
And your phony photo...

Oh please. You would have if the others didn't chime in. 

Vegas » 01 Aug 2023, 11:15 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Aug 2023, 11:15 pm

Here is the thing, the burden of proof is on the people who are making the claim. The claim is that a plane hit the pentagon. I don't owe an explanation as to how a missile or whatever else theory could have explained the hole. I don't even have to have a theory. The burden of proof falls on the shoulders of those making the claim. Z09 keeps pulling a BlackVegtable, which is to evade, deflect, and try and turn the conversation to what she wants. BV was a miserable idiot. I won't address a BV tactic. 

Facts: 

• The hole was 75 feet wide. The wingspan was 125 feet. 
• There is no evidence of any markings outside the hole where the wings and engines would have had to hit. The hole looks like it was just a body of a plane that never had any wings at all. 
• There are no photos of plane pieces that show them at the pentagon. I saw pieces of a plane, but there was no evidence those pieces were the pentagon crash.
• There was one piece of an engine showed to the Rolls-Royce manufactures, the makers of the engine. They didn't recognize that piece as anything they made. 
• Only one operational camera that runs 1 frame per second. WTH? Yeah, okay. 

Facts don't matter when you're a believer. 
And I already showed you that you're wrong about there being no plane pieces at the Pentagon.  
My brother helped collect them. 
 

Z09 » 04 Aug 2023, 7:43 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Aug 2023, 7:43 pm

I would have...???
I'm trying to have an honest debate and you show a phony plane part..

And I didn't fall for it...

This is one of the few pics I have ever seen of "plane wreckage" at the Pentagon on 9/11.


 
There is another one of an engine that supposedly made it intact almost all the way through the inner ring of the building, but I haven't seen it circulating as of late.

 
 

Vegas » 04 Aug 2023, 6:46 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Aug 2023, 6:46 pm

@Mrkelly  @Kobia2  @Redheaded Stranger  and I would have gotten away with it also if hadn't been for you meddling kids!   

The barnacles gave it away
 

Kobia2 » 04 Aug 2023, 11:43 am » wrote: ↑

04 Aug 2023, 11:43 am

             This is one of the inner walls.... It's an exit hole in one of the Rings coming from the outside in.... The No Parking Sign is most likely because with the Building being more than 6 Million Sq Ft, scooters and other cart type vehicles were used within the corridors between A-B-C-D-and E Rings.. 

I said no more lampposts so I won't argue about the planting.. lol.. but that's also an interesting one, according to you and Z09 the plane was completely vaporized when it hit the Pentagon so there should be no wreckage.. lol.. but if that's true how did it manage to make a hole in one of the inner rings?


 
 

Z09 » 04 Aug 2023, 1:43 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Aug 2023, 1:43 pm

Sean Boger was one of the few people at the Pentagon who saw the plane coming in so low it took down a street light.

"I just looked up and, you know, a plane was flying directly at us," he said.

He said it was just 10 to 15 seconds before the plane hit the building.

"I just couldn't believe something that big could be flying that low and flying directly at us," he reiterated.

Boger was in the control tower for the Pentagon's helipad when he saw the plane, which was flying at 530 mph, loaded with 7,000 gallons of jet fuel and carrying 59 people.

I made some parts bold of your witness statement.. maybe you can guess why.. lol.. just kidding...

I know you don't answer questions but just to point it out..

If the plane was flying so low why did he have to look up?

And 10 to 15 seconds at 530mph would be a few miles.. are we seriously supposed to believe that a hijacker who couldn't even properly pilot a Cessna managed to keep a boeing 757 a few feet above the ground for miles through Washington DC?

Also, if you see a plane a few miles away it's just a tiny dot, no way to tell if it's flying directly towards you..

 
 
 

Z09 » 05 Aug 2023, 5:27 am » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2023, 5:27 am

And because he said he "looked up" it's now part of your nutty conspiracy? 

No, that's just to show that witnesses make stuff up to make their story sound better....

You question if the pilot could have flown a 757 with limited training.

No, I don't question it.. lol.. I'm just pointing out something..

Let's put it this way...
Two other pilots managed to fly into the WTC with limited training.

Nah, let's put it in the way that those other planes were remote controlled...

But since you actually answered a question.. sort of.. lol.. I will answer one of yours..

And we're to believe your theory that a cruise missile from 1000 miles away was fired at the Pentagon before any hijacking and nobody saw it.....
No other pilots?
Air traffic controllers?
Norad?

I already told you that the ocean is only a hundred miles away from the Pentagon so I'm not going to bother but other pilots would be high up in the air, no way they would see a small cruise missile just above the waves, if they even bothered to look.. air traffic controllers watch transponder signals on a radar screen, cruise missiles don't advertise themselves to air traffic control... as for Norad, I don't know how good they are but a low flying cruise missile would be very hard to detect and it was just an ordinary morning, they had no reason to look for it, their coffee was probably more important..


 
 
 

Z09 » 05 Aug 2023, 5:39 am » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2023, 5:39 am

The plane wasn't completely vaporized...

Members of Congress reviewed the area and saw debris and plane parts

This Democrat is the father of all the right wing distrust of authority that led in a straight kind directly to Donald Trump “questioning” the validity of Obama being born in Hawaii.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Lane_(author)

Why facts, logic, and truth matter, is 70 million good Americans do not see one thing wrong with Donald Trump telling too many lies to count.
 

Z09 » 05 Aug 2023, 6:28 am » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2023, 6:28 am

So witnesses make up stuff?

Can you show us all YOUR witnesses saying it was a missile that hit the Pentagon?
It's a clue Tuesday morning...

There must be someone that said it was a missile.
Not a plane.

You say it was "an ordinary morning" for Norad
Far from it..
We already had two planes crash into the towers...
Norad was on high alert looking for other activity.

A cruise missile was never detected.

I go back to my original question....
If it were a missile flying why didn't anyone in DC say it was?

You are arguing with a closed mind.

 But by the way, eyewitness testimony is fabulously and notoriously unreliable.
 

Z09 » 05 Aug 2023, 5:39 am » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2023, 5:39 am

The plane wasn't completely vaporized...

Members of Congress reviewed the area and saw debris and plane parts

Did the members of Congress take any pictures of the reviewing?

 




 

Z09 » 05 Aug 2023, 6:28 am » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2023, 6:28 am

I go back to my original question....
If it were a missile flying why didn't anyone in DC say it was?

Speaking of orginal questions..

If it was a plane that hit the Pentagon, where are the **** pictures?

 

 

 
 

Z09 » 05 Aug 2023, 7:54 am » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2023, 7:54 am

You can clearly see a large object at the right of the screen...
However, you'll dismiss it I'm sure

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SL2PzzOiF8

lol.. I notice you say 'object' instead of 'plane'.. why would you do that if it was clear that it is a plane.. I told you before that object is a cruise missle.. that's why it took 5 years and FOI request to get that video released.. 1 frame a second.. lol..

 


 
 
 

Z09 » 05 Aug 2023, 8:15 am » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2023, 8:15 am

And again...
You say it was a cruise missile...

But somehow there's a hundred people that said it was an airplane..
They saw it!
They were there...

And still...
If it were a missile why didn't anyone say it was one??

If you put 100 people in a room and 100 people say they saw an air plane...
...And NONE say they saw a missile who would YOU believe?

I told you plenty of times how that works, I'm not going to bother again.. you really need to come up with something better than.. but the witnesses said.. waahh..

The Pentagon is maybe the most surveillanced building in the world, camera's everywhere, but somehow they missed a big airplane hitting the Pentagon, doesn't that make you wonder.. there must be pictures but they refused to show them, there can be only one reason for that, there is something on those pictures that they don't want to be seen... and it's not a plane...


 
 

Z09 » 05 Aug 2023, 9:32 am » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2023, 9:32 am

Yep..
You did..

All the FBI agents were phony
All the witnesses are lying and just wanted their 15 minutes of fame...
And the missile that no one saw was sent from 1000 miles away...
And the original plane.was sent to Area 51..

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So?

 


 
 

Z09 » 05 Aug 2023, 6:44 am » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2023, 6:44 am

For these witnesses to be "unreliable" you'd have to just say they were lying...
Do you think all these people that say they saw an airplane flying low towards the Pentagon are all lying?

Simple question..

If I'm arguing with a closed mind can you tell us what I should be more open about?

No, you are of course right, Flight 77 hit the Pentagon.

And witnesses do often tell the truth.

Let’s go back to the grassy knoll.

Look at all the live footage of witnesses running towards the grassy knoll.  All were mistaken.  Dealey Plaza is a natural amphitheater that caused Oswald’s shots from the sixth floor to reverberate and confuse witnesses as to their source.

 https://youtu.be/I2B2dceTcl8

Mark Lane made a good living selling bull **** ear witness and eye witness testimony about the grassy knoll until he died in 2016

Here is how to convince the doubters.

They believe three out of four planes are real.

Plus they concede their secret cruise missile was about the size of a 757.

 

Z09 » 05 Aug 2023, 11:23 am » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2023, 11:23 am

I'm in the minority...

But I think Oswald killed Kennedy
And he was the only shooter

Oliver Stone's movie was such BS

Of course Oswald was the only shooter.  The evidence is beyond overwhelming.  You’d have to believe in cruise missiles hitting the Pentagon to buy anything else.

But did you know, there is a tiny chance Oswald only shot twice?

All agree there was a head shot plus the “magic bullet” shot, that’s two.

Most but not quite all agree to a third shot that missed, either the first or last.

But the Carcano was found with one empty still in the chamber.

Two empties on the floor.

The evidence for the “curb bullet” is not overwhelming.  That concrete chunk could have been there awhile, or it could be a fragment from the head shot.

Some witnesses only heard two shots.

So Oswald could have, pushed down an empty with two live rounds and fired two.

I think the first of three missed some days, most days I think it was the last of three.