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Z09 » 05 Aug 2023, 5:39 am » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2023, 5:39 am

The plane wasn't completely vaporized...

Members of Congress reviewed the area and saw debris and plane parts

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Z09 » 05 Aug 2023, 6:28 am » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2023, 6:28 am

So witnesses make up stuff?

Can you show us all YOUR witnesses saying it was a missile that hit the Pentagon?
It's a clue Tuesday morning...

There must be someone that said it was a missile.
Not a plane.

You say it was "an ordinary morning" for Norad
Far from it..
We already had two planes crash into the towers...
Norad was on high alert looking for other activity.

A cruise missile was never detected.

I go back to my original question....
If it were a missile flying why didn't anyone in DC say it was?

You are arguing with a closed mind.

 But by the way, eyewitness testimony is fabulously and notoriously unreliable.
 

Z09 » 05 Aug 2023, 5:39 am » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2023, 5:39 am

The plane wasn't completely vaporized...

Members of Congress reviewed the area and saw debris and plane parts

Did the members of Congress take any pictures of the reviewing?

 




 

Z09 » 05 Aug 2023, 6:28 am » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2023, 6:28 am

I go back to my original question....
If it were a missile flying why didn't anyone in DC say it was?

Speaking of orginal questions..

If it was a plane that hit the Pentagon, where are the **** pictures?

 

 

 
 

Z09 » 05 Aug 2023, 7:54 am » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2023, 7:54 am

You can clearly see a large object at the right of the screen...
However, you'll dismiss it I'm sure

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SL2PzzOiF8

lol.. I notice you say 'object' instead of 'plane'.. why would you do that if it was clear that it is a plane.. I told you before that object is a cruise missle.. that's why it took 5 years and FOI request to get that video released.. 1 frame a second.. lol..

 


 
 
 

Z09 » 05 Aug 2023, 8:15 am » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2023, 8:15 am

And again...
You say it was a cruise missile...

But somehow there's a hundred people that said it was an airplane..
They saw it!
They were there...

And still...
If it were a missile why didn't anyone say it was one??

If you put 100 people in a room and 100 people say they saw an air plane...
...And NONE say they saw a missile who would YOU believe?

I told you plenty of times how that works, I'm not going to bother again.. you really need to come up with something better than.. but the witnesses said.. waahh..

The Pentagon is maybe the most surveillanced building in the world, camera's everywhere, but somehow they missed a big airplane hitting the Pentagon, doesn't that make you wonder.. there must be pictures but they refused to show them, there can be only one reason for that, there is something on those pictures that they don't want to be seen... and it's not a plane...


 
 

Z09 » 05 Aug 2023, 9:32 am » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2023, 9:32 am

Yep..
You did..

All the FBI agents were phony
All the witnesses are lying and just wanted their 15 minutes of fame...
And the missile that no one saw was sent from 1000 miles away...
And the original plane.was sent to Area 51..

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So?

 


 
 

Z09 » 05 Aug 2023, 6:44 am » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2023, 6:44 am

For these witnesses to be "unreliable" you'd have to just say they were lying...
Do you think all these people that say they saw an airplane flying low towards the Pentagon are all lying?

Simple question..

If I'm arguing with a closed mind can you tell us what I should be more open about?

No, you are of course right, Flight 77 hit the Pentagon.

And witnesses do often tell the truth.

Let’s go back to the grassy knoll.

Look at all the live footage of witnesses running towards the grassy knoll.  All were mistaken.  Dealey Plaza is a natural amphitheater that caused Oswald’s shots from the sixth floor to reverberate and confuse witnesses as to their source.

 https://youtu.be/I2B2dceTcl8

Mark Lane made a good living selling bull **** ear witness and eye witness testimony about the grassy knoll until he died in 2016

Here is how to convince the doubters.

They believe three out of four planes are real.

Plus they concede their secret cruise missile was about the size of a 757.

 

Z09 » 05 Aug 2023, 11:23 am » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2023, 11:23 am

I'm in the minority...

But I think Oswald killed Kennedy
And he was the only shooter

Oliver Stone's movie was such BS

Of course Oswald was the only shooter.  The evidence is beyond overwhelming.  You’d have to believe in cruise missiles hitting the Pentagon to buy anything else.

But did you know, there is a tiny chance Oswald only shot twice?

All agree there was a head shot plus the “magic bullet” shot, that’s two.

Most but not quite all agree to a third shot that missed, either the first or last.

But the Carcano was found with one empty still in the chamber.

Two empties on the floor.

The evidence for the “curb bullet” is not overwhelming.  That concrete chunk could have been there awhile, or it could be a fragment from the head shot.

Some witnesses only heard two shots.

So Oswald could have, pushed down an empty with two live rounds and fired two.

I think the first of three missed some days, most days I think it was the last of three.
 

Z09 » 04 Aug 2023, 7:43 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Aug 2023, 7:43 pm

I would have...???
I'm trying to have an honest debate and you show a phony plane part..

And I didn't fall for it...

Yes, you would have.
 
No, you aren't. I hardly call avoiding all of my questions, while demanding me to answer all of yours an honest debate. Since you were dishonest with me, I have no issues returning the favor.

Yes, you would have. 

Z09 » 05 Aug 2023, 12:13 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2023, 12:13 pm

You posted a phony photo of the Pentagon...

 

You never answer any of my questions, but demand that I answer yours. That is dishonesty. I returned the favor. You don't get to whine about dishonesty when you pull that ****. 

Z09 » 05 Aug 2023, 12:20 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2023, 12:20 pm

You answer questions by leaving a ton of questions behind ..

The plane was "disassembled"..
And that's your answer..

But you know that's not very clear..

You don't answer questions. Therefore, **** you. 

Z09 » 05 Aug 2023, 12:26 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2023, 12:26 pm

Kinda figured you'd take this approach..

You have shown zero evidence a missile hit the Pentagon.

And the people that died that day were real people.
Not fake like you stated.

You don't answer questions. Therefore, **** you.

Jantje_Smit » 05 Aug 2023, 3:01 am » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2023, 3:01 am

I said no more lampposts so I won't argue about the planting.. lol.. but that's also an interesting one, according to you and Z09 the plane was completely vaporized when it hit the Pentagon so there should be no wreckage.. lol.. but if that's true how did it manage to make a hole in one of the inner rings?

       Show me a post where I said the Plane had vaporized.... 
Witness such as pilot Tim Timmer described when the Plane impacted the building, it appeared to have disintegrated---- these were probably the Wings... He said this was immediately followed by the explosion --- he then saw the Hole from the Fuselage in the Wall.. Read the witness testimony from CNN reporter who not only see and described these small pieces of the Plane, but had also photographed them and published the pictures... 

      Much of the misunderstanding, myth and flat out lies were the result of an initial report by a CNN Journalist Jamie Mcintyre who was at the scene on 9/11... In the chaos & confusion, some were mistakenly saying a Plane did not crash into the Pentagon, but had clipped it and crashed a short distance elsewhere.... Mcintyre reported he saw no evidence of a PLane having crashed "NEAR" the building.. CNN edited out the rest of his report where he clearly stated the following --- 

          McIntyre says: “A short while ago I walked right up next to the building as firefighters were still trying to put out the blaze that — the fire, by the way, is still burning in some parts of the Pentagon — and I took a look at the huge, gaping hole that’s in the side.”  In the authentic broadcast McIntyre also explicitly states that he observed pieces of the plane on site."I could see parts of the airplane that crashed into the building — very small pieces of the plane — on the heliport outside the building," he said. "The biggest piece I saw was about three feet long. It was silver and had been painted green and red, but I could not see any identifying markings on the plane. I also saw a large piece of shattered glass that appeared to be a cockpit windshield or other window from the plane." In 2010, McIntyre wrote in a Military.com blog post that his statements in the CNN broadcast had been misconstrued to support the false claim that a plane had not crashed into the Pentagon. He confirmed that he had seen plane debris at the scene and published pictures of some of the wreckage he found.   
   So in other words, the PLane didn't crash near the Pentagon, and in fact had hit the Pentagon... which meant the PLane didn't crash nearby, because it had in fact impacted the Pentagon... 

    On the heliport thousands of tiny shards of airplane wreckage cover the ground, 9/11/01 — Photo by jamie McIntyre ©2001

      
 
 

Z09 » 05 Aug 2023, 5:39 am » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2023, 5:39 am

The plane wasn't completely vaporized...

Members of Congress reviewed the area and saw debris and plane parts

           See my Post #1082....
At the bottom is the photograph of the "thousands" of small pieces of Aircraft debris that was scattered on the Heleport outside the wall where the Plane made impacted.... The small pieces supports witnessed statements that the Plane seemed to disintegrate on impact, followed by a huge explosion.. The Photograph was taken and published by CNN journalist Jamie Mcintyre... Mcintyre saw and described these pieces of debris...

      
 
 

Vegas » 05 Aug 2023, 12:27 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2023, 12:27 pm

You don't answer questions. Therefore, **** you.

I've been following this thread with much amusement. Z09 has made some very convincing arguments and Kobia has presented numerous links, pics, and witness accounts. All I've seen from you and Jantje are a bunch of conspiracy theories with nothing to back them up. And now you're getting petty. I mentioned earlier in this thread that you're making yourself look foolish. You've shown nothing to change my mind.

Jantje_Smit » 05 Aug 2023, 6:21 am » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2023, 6:21 am

I already told you that the ocean is only a hundred miles away from the Pentagon so I'm not going to bother but other pilots would be high up in the air, no way they would see a small cruise missile just above the waves, if they even bothered to look.. 

                One Pilot who was up in the sky that day was Minnesota Air National Guardsman LT. Col. Steven O'Brien, who was Piloting a C-130 Transport Plane and saw Flight 77.... His testimony and account of his participation were posted previously on this Thread... I don't recall the grounds the Inside Jobbers dismissed him as a credible source .... Was it because he was also seeking 15 minutes of fame --- was hallucinating & mistaken --- or complicit in the murder & coverup of 3000 Americans on that day? 
               O'Brien's flight on September 11, 2001On September 11, 2001, O'Brien was flying a Minnesota Air National Guard C-130H (Hercules) cargo airplane using callsign GOFER06. He and his crew were on a return journey to Minnesota after having delivered supplies in the Caribbean He took off from Andrews Air Force Base, just southeast of Washington DC., at about 9:30 am (EDT), and headed "north and west". "[We] had a beautiful view of the Mall", he remarked.O'Brien later stated, "this airplane [was] up and to the left of us, at 10 o'clock. He was descending to our altitude, four miles or so away. The plane came nearer until it pretty much filled our windscreen. Then he made a pretty aggressive turn, so he was moving right in front of us, a mile and a half, two miles away."Washington Reagan National Airport air traffic control asked O'Brien to identify the aircraft. He reported that the plane was either a 757 or 767 Boeing airliner, and that its silver fuselage meant it was probably an American Airlines jet. Controllers asked ("vectored") O'Brien to follow the plane (later identified as the errant AA Flight 77) as it approached Washington DC from the west. He attempted to, having difficulty picking it out in the East Coast haze. O'Brien saw a fireball, and initially believed the aircraft had hit the ground, but then saw the west side of the Pentagon. He reported to the control tower, "Looks like that aircraft crashed into the Pentagon sir" and afterwards remarked that it had hit the west side.

Z09 » 05 Aug 2023, 11:12 am » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2023, 11:12 am

When you say "everyone is lying" it's not evidence or proof..

lol.. when you say 'but the witnesses said' that's not evidence or proof either...

I have other evidence.. like suspiciously missing pictures of a plane hitting the Pentagon.. to support my case, what do you have?


 


 

Kobia2 » 05 Aug 2023, 4:23 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2023, 4:23 pm

       Show me a post where I said the Plane had vaporized....  

Eh..

Kobia2 » 05 Aug 2023, 4:38 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2023, 4:38 pm

At the bottom is the photograph of the "thousands" of small pieces of Aircraft debris that was scattered on the Heleport outside the wall where the Plane made impacted.... The small pieces supports witnessed statements that the Plane seemed to disintegrate on impact...

 
 

 So, what made the hole in the inner ring?

 
 

Kobia2 » 04 Aug 2023, 5:58 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Aug 2023, 5:58 pm

      
              I hadn't seen it either.... what was the source?... 

Is everyone's source, the single event evolving times apart or single method of timed results apart by people never agreeing on the simple source of life compounding specific lifetimes present.

Natural timing of results vs intellectually timed apart events intellectually categorized as past, current, future details never staying anything that arrived so far.


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