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Z09 » 04 Aug 2023, 7:43 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Aug 2023, 7:43 pm

I would have...???
I'm trying to have an honest debate and you show a phony plane part..

And I didn't fall for it...

Yes, you would have.
 
No, you aren't. I hardly call avoiding all of my questions, while demanding me to answer all of yours an honest debate. Since you were dishonest with me, I have no issues returning the favor.

Yes, you would have. 

Z09 » 05 Aug 2023, 12:13 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2023, 12:13 pm

You posted a phony photo of the Pentagon...

 

You never answer any of my questions, but demand that I answer yours. That is dishonesty. I returned the favor. You don't get to whine about dishonesty when you pull that ****. 

Z09 » 05 Aug 2023, 12:20 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2023, 12:20 pm

You answer questions by leaving a ton of questions behind ..

The plane was "disassembled"..
And that's your answer..

But you know that's not very clear..

You don't answer questions. Therefore, **** you. 

Z09 » 05 Aug 2023, 12:26 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2023, 12:26 pm

Kinda figured you'd take this approach..

You have shown zero evidence a missile hit the Pentagon.

And the people that died that day were real people.
Not fake like you stated.

You don't answer questions. Therefore, **** you.

Jantje_Smit » 05 Aug 2023, 3:01 am » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2023, 3:01 am

I said no more lampposts so I won't argue about the planting.. lol.. but that's also an interesting one, according to you and Z09 the plane was completely vaporized when it hit the Pentagon so there should be no wreckage.. lol.. but if that's true how did it manage to make a hole in one of the inner rings?

       Show me a post where I said the Plane had vaporized.... 
Witness such as pilot Tim Timmer described when the Plane impacted the building, it appeared to have disintegrated---- these were probably the Wings... He said this was immediately followed by the explosion --- he then saw the Hole from the Fuselage in the Wall.. Read the witness testimony from CNN reporter who not only see and described these small pieces of the Plane, but had also photographed them and published the pictures... 

      Much of the misunderstanding, myth and flat out lies were the result of an initial report by a CNN Journalist Jamie Mcintyre who was at the scene on 9/11... In the chaos & confusion, some were mistakenly saying a Plane did not crash into the Pentagon, but had clipped it and crashed a short distance elsewhere.... Mcintyre reported he saw no evidence of a PLane having crashed "NEAR" the building.. CNN edited out the rest of his report where he clearly stated the following --- 

          McIntyre says: “A short while ago I walked right up next to the building as firefighters were still trying to put out the blaze that — the fire, by the way, is still burning in some parts of the Pentagon — and I took a look at the huge, gaping hole that’s in the side.”  In the authentic broadcast McIntyre also explicitly states that he observed pieces of the plane on site."I could see parts of the airplane that crashed into the building — very small pieces of the plane — on the heliport outside the building," he said. "The biggest piece I saw was about three feet long. It was silver and had been painted green and red, but I could not see any identifying markings on the plane. I also saw a large piece of shattered glass that appeared to be a cockpit windshield or other window from the plane." In 2010, McIntyre wrote in a Military.com blog post that his statements in the CNN broadcast had been misconstrued to support the false claim that a plane had not crashed into the Pentagon. He confirmed that he had seen plane debris at the scene and published pictures of some of the wreckage he found.   
   So in other words, the PLane didn't crash near the Pentagon, and in fact had hit the Pentagon... which meant the PLane didn't crash nearby, because it had in fact impacted the Pentagon... 

    On the heliport thousands of tiny shards of airplane wreckage cover the ground, 9/11/01 — Photo by jamie McIntyre ©2001

      
 
 

Z09 » 05 Aug 2023, 5:39 am » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2023, 5:39 am

The plane wasn't completely vaporized...

Members of Congress reviewed the area and saw debris and plane parts

           See my Post #1082....
At the bottom is the photograph of the "thousands" of small pieces of Aircraft debris that was scattered on the Heleport outside the wall where the Plane made impacted.... The small pieces supports witnessed statements that the Plane seemed to disintegrate on impact, followed by a huge explosion.. The Photograph was taken and published by CNN journalist Jamie Mcintyre... Mcintyre saw and described these pieces of debris...

      
 
 

Vegas » 05 Aug 2023, 12:27 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2023, 12:27 pm

You don't answer questions. Therefore, **** you.

I've been following this thread with much amusement. Z09 has made some very convincing arguments and Kobia has presented numerous links, pics, and witness accounts. All I've seen from you and Jantje are a bunch of conspiracy theories with nothing to back them up. And now you're getting petty. I mentioned earlier in this thread that you're making yourself look foolish. You've shown nothing to change my mind.

Jantje_Smit » 05 Aug 2023, 6:21 am » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2023, 6:21 am

I already told you that the ocean is only a hundred miles away from the Pentagon so I'm not going to bother but other pilots would be high up in the air, no way they would see a small cruise missile just above the waves, if they even bothered to look.. 

                One Pilot who was up in the sky that day was Minnesota Air National Guardsman LT. Col. Steven O'Brien, who was Piloting a C-130 Transport Plane and saw Flight 77.... His testimony and account of his participation were posted previously on this Thread... I don't recall the grounds the Inside Jobbers dismissed him as a credible source .... Was it because he was also seeking 15 minutes of fame --- was hallucinating & mistaken --- or complicit in the murder & coverup of 3000 Americans on that day? 
               O'Brien's flight on September 11, 2001On September 11, 2001, O'Brien was flying a Minnesota Air National Guard C-130H (Hercules) cargo airplane using callsign GOFER06. He and his crew were on a return journey to Minnesota after having delivered supplies in the Caribbean He took off from Andrews Air Force Base, just southeast of Washington DC., at about 9:30 am (EDT), and headed "north and west". "[We] had a beautiful view of the Mall", he remarked.O'Brien later stated, "this airplane [was] up and to the left of us, at 10 o'clock. He was descending to our altitude, four miles or so away. The plane came nearer until it pretty much filled our windscreen. Then he made a pretty aggressive turn, so he was moving right in front of us, a mile and a half, two miles away."Washington Reagan National Airport air traffic control asked O'Brien to identify the aircraft. He reported that the plane was either a 757 or 767 Boeing airliner, and that its silver fuselage meant it was probably an American Airlines jet. Controllers asked ("vectored") O'Brien to follow the plane (later identified as the errant AA Flight 77) as it approached Washington DC from the west. He attempted to, having difficulty picking it out in the East Coast haze. O'Brien saw a fireball, and initially believed the aircraft had hit the ground, but then saw the west side of the Pentagon. He reported to the control tower, "Looks like that aircraft crashed into the Pentagon sir" and afterwards remarked that it had hit the west side.

Z09 » 05 Aug 2023, 11:12 am » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2023, 11:12 am

When you say "everyone is lying" it's not evidence or proof..

lol.. when you say 'but the witnesses said' that's not evidence or proof either...

I have other evidence.. like suspiciously missing pictures of a plane hitting the Pentagon.. to support my case, what do you have?


 


 

Kobia2 » 05 Aug 2023, 4:23 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2023, 4:23 pm

       Show me a post where I said the Plane had vaporized....  

Eh..

Kobia2 » 05 Aug 2023, 4:38 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2023, 4:38 pm

At the bottom is the photograph of the "thousands" of small pieces of Aircraft debris that was scattered on the Heleport outside the wall where the Plane made impacted.... The small pieces supports witnessed statements that the Plane seemed to disintegrate on impact...

 
 

 So, what made the hole in the inner ring?

 
 

Kobia2 » 04 Aug 2023, 5:58 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Aug 2023, 5:58 pm

      
              I hadn't seen it either.... what was the source?... 

Is everyone's source, the single event evolving times apart or single method of timed results apart by people never agreeing on the simple source of life compounding specific lifetimes present.

Natural timing of results vs intellectually timed apart events intellectually categorized as past, current, future details never staying anything that arrived so far.


Politics is about which ideology governs tomorrow, today, between all specific generations gaps alive. My brain witnesses self infliction as a species from all others of mayhem, madness, misery 24/7.

Z09 » 06 Aug 2023, 5:43 am » wrote: ↑

06 Aug 2023, 5:43 am

So you have missing pictures?

...even though it was seen a few seconds before this crash....

Got any pictures of that?


 
 
 
 

Z09 » 06 Aug 2023, 6:46 am » wrote: ↑

06 Aug 2023, 6:46 am

Jantje...

Simple question..

Where's the plane?

Simple answer....

Jantje_Smit » 24 Jul 2023, 2:37 am » wrote: ↑

24 Jul 2023, 2:37 am

Another who the **** cares, the deep state is good at making things disappear, maybe they dumped it in the ocean, maybe it went to area 51..

I have a simple questions too but somehow you seem to have trouble coming up with simple answers...

 

 
 

Jantje_Smit » 06 Aug 2023, 6:00 am » wrote: ↑

06 Aug 2023, 6:00 am

Eh..

 So, what made the hole in the inner ring?

       The plane's Fuselage.. 

Kobia2 » 06 Aug 2023, 7:31 am » wrote: ↑

06 Aug 2023, 7:31 am

       The plane's Fuselage.. 

Right.. which brings us back to the question, where are the pictures of the wreckage, if the plane's fuselage made that hole, where is it?

 

Hehehe.
These idiots arguing about 9/11 are the same ones that say Jan.6th was really a peaceful protest.
They're all **** up. All of them.

Jantje_Smit » 06 Aug 2023, 8:01 am » wrote: ↑

06 Aug 2023, 8:01 am

Right.. which brings us back to the question, where are the pictures of the wreckage, if the plane's fuselage made that hole, where is it?

             You have been shown numerous pictures of the Plane's debris, from both inside & outside the building ----including a photo of the Flight Recorder which belonged to Flight 77.... You were provided sources regarding who took the photographic evidence, and when the pictures were taken... Like everything else you dismiss or deny it...

               Time for you to answer a couple questions I have...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGJSZN4apvs&t=8s
            
In this Documentary Video, begin watching at the 36:00 mark.. People who were there describe recovering plane debris, and over 2000 pieces of human remains.... Personal effects from those both on Flight 77 and people working that day at the Pentagon that were recovered and returned to loved ones are shown... 

         1. Why would  these personal effects from the passengers of Flight 77 be found at the crash scene.. Do you have any evidence of how they got there other than from Flight 77 crashing into the Building?  You should be able to provide the same evidence you are asking of others who do not subscribe to the conspiracy theories of the inside-jobbers... 

         2. How did the 200 bags of human remains & body parts of the passengers & crew which were intermingled with the 125 people working at the Pentagon that day get there? Do you have any evidence supporting they were brought from another location?..

         3. Yesterday you mentioned something about the Plane being flown by remote control to the ocean - and crashed into the sea.. Can you explain how the bodies & body parts were recovered from the depths, and then snuck into the Pentagon?

         4.  Related to question #3..... The human remains recovered at the Pentagon were scorched/charred.... We wouldn't expect to see that with remains retrieved from the very wet ocean... How was that possible?

         To give you a more clear idea of what such remains would look like, fast forward the Video to 59:20.... I believe at one point you said you should be provided photographic evidence of the corpses.... It is graphic, but should satisfy your request... 

               
 
 
 

Z09 » 06 Aug 2023, 8:24 am » wrote: ↑

06 Aug 2023, 8:24 am

Jantje...

Since you keep asking for photos of the jet perhaps you'd have more credibility if you could share photos of your cruise missile....

I can (and did) explain why there aren't pictures of a cruise missile hitting the Pentagon, you can't explain why there aren't any pictures of a plane hitting the Pentagon.. I would say that makes you the one with credibility problems, not me..


 
  
 

Kobia2 » 06 Aug 2023, 9:05 am » wrote: ↑

06 Aug 2023, 9:05 am

             You have been shown numerous pictures of the Plane's debris, from both inside & outside the building ----including a photo of the Flight Recorder which belonged to Flight 77.... You were provided sources regarding who took the photographic evidence, and when the pictures were taken... Like everything else you dismiss or deny it...

               Time for you to answer a couple questions I have...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGJSZN4apvs&t=8s
            
In this Documentary Video, begin watching at the 36:00 mark.. People who were there describe recovering plane debris, and over 2000 pieces of human remains.... Personal effects from those both on Flight 77 and people working that day at the Pentagon that were recovered and returned to loved ones are shown... 

         1. Why would  these personal effects from the passengers of Flight 77 be found at the crash scene.. Do you have any evidence of how they got there other than from Flight 77 crashing into the Building?  You should be able to provide the same evidence you are asking of others who do not subscribe to the conspiracy theories of the inside-jobbers... 

         2. How did the 200 bags of human remains & body parts of the passengers & crew which were intermingled with the 125 people working at the Pentagon that day get there? Do you have any evidence supporting they were brought from another location?..

         3. Yesterday you mentioned something about the Plane being flown by remote control to the ocean - and crashed into the sea.. Can you explain how the bodies & body parts were recovered from the depths, and then snuck into the Pentagon?

         4.  Related to question #3..... The human remains recovered at the Pentagon were scorched/charred.... We wouldn't expect to see that with remains retrieved from the very wet ocean... How was that possible?

         To give you a more clear idea of what such remains would look like, fast forward the Video to 59:20.... I believe at one point you said you should be provided photographic evidence of the corpses.... It is graphic, but should satisfy your request... 

               

You saw what I posted for zo9, if the plane managed to go through 3 rings of the Pentagon there should be a lot more wreckage than a few obviously planted pieces..

But I will give it a go..

1. If they can plant that how hard would it be to plant a few small personal items for investigators to 'find' later..

2. The bodies of the passengers never were at the Pentagon, they were delivered to Dover AFB where the doctors were told they came from the Pentagon

3. The plane could have been dumped in the ocean but it went to a secret base first to collect the bodies (and flight recorder), so they could be properly scarred and delivered to Dover AFB..

4. See 3.

As for your video, there were people in the Pentagon that died, how do those bodies prove that a plane hit the Pentagon?


 
 

Rock » 05 Aug 2023, 5:04 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2023, 5:04 pm

I've been following this thread with much amusement. Z09 has made some very convincing arguments and Kobia has presented numerous links, pics, and witness accounts. All I've seen from you and Jantje are a bunch of conspiracy theories with nothing to back them up. And now you're getting petty. I mentioned earlier in this thread that you're making yourself look foolish. You've shown nothing to change my mind.

I already addressed Z09's questions. She has never answered mine. She still hasn't. That makes her look foolish. Kobia has made some excellent points, Z09 just vomits the same things that I addressed already. Not answering questions is foolish. She could at least say "I don't know." That is fine. She pulled a BlackVegtable incessantly. So **** her. Kobia, yes. He did great and was very convincing.