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Z09 » 23 Jul 2023, 8:30 am » wrote: ↑

23 Jul 2023, 8:30 am

There is simply no way any deep state could keep the murder of 3000 people a secret during the planning or after the deed.

Like JFK...
After 60 years and there's still no evidence...Just speculation..

Does anyone really think the Secret Service, FBI, CIA and Dallas Police all got together and killed JFK and then kept it quietly...?

My Democrat buddies and me sometimes meet in conclave in our secret temple.  We ride the brass goat and do all our secret handshakes, and then speculate.

Look at the typical Trump rally with thousands of MAGAS all jammed in there together.  Every one of them would have had their asses beat at home and at school for nearly every thing Trump says.  Nobody in America was raised to believe ANY of that ****.

So we wonder what happens if just one, brave, determined MAGA in that crowd has read either the Sermon on the Mount or the Warren Commission Report and agrees with either righteous work.

MAGA eventually tumbles, don’t it?

It only takes one in the crowd, to point out the Emperor is Buck Nekkid. 
 

Z09 » 23 Jul 2023, 9:00 am » wrote: ↑

23 Jul 2023, 9:00 am

Since you're obsessed with MAGA suppose you tell us what's so much better under Biden?

Border?
Covid Deaths?
Inflation?
Interest rates?
Gas prices?

Tell us

Reality.


 

A few words on the Sermon on the Mount.

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Wikipedia

The Sermon on the Mount (anglicized from the Matthean Vulgate Latin section title: Sermo in monte) is a collection of sayings spoken by Jesus of Nazareth found in the Gospel of Matthew (chapters 5, 6, and 7)[1][2] that emphasizes his moral teachings. It is the first of five discourses in the Gospel and has been one of the most widely quoted sections of the Gospels.[3]

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Of the four separate anonymous authors of Matthew Mark Luke and John only the Disciple Matthew could have, in theory, have learned the language of Greek well enough, and also Latin, Hebrew, and Aramaic while a tax collector for Imperial Rome to have actually written the Gospel that bears his name. He’d had to have been crowding 90, older than Sleepy Joe, but it’s possible.


The Sermon on the Mount is without parallel in the history of the written word. All who follow the teaching of it are blessed not only with eternal life but have a perfect guidebook for this life.

And those who follow the Master, won’t fall into much error in this life, either.

The righteous make mistakes, just never any mistakes they can avoid.

Vegas » 22 Jul 2023, 12:05 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Jul 2023, 12:05 pm

Twin Towers: Engineers have repeatedly said that the impacts of the plane and jet fuel could not take down those towers, especially straight down like that.

Read the 911 Commission Report.  I did.  It explains in great detail how the towers were destroyed.  In great detail.  Did I leave out "great detail".  Read it.  So show me how your generic "Engineers" refute the details of the Report, and only then will I be willing to further the discussion.  BTW, "refuting" does not mean putting forth some alternate-universe scenario and completely ignoring what was investigated and reported.  I have seen no such valid alternative report which debunks the 911 Commission report, without resorting to alternative-universe wack-job theories.

Yeah, I'm familiar with the claim that some Israelis were seen in the vicinity of the 911 attacks.  Why was this not in the 911 Commission Report?  Actually, it is.  It is mentioned in the footnotes to Chapter 5 of the Report, but details were left out.  It eventually was discovered and reported in the news.  https://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123885&page=1.  Nothing shows that the Israelis were doing anything other than observing what happened.  I do believe, however, that they had advanced knowledge that "something" was going to take place that day.  Did Israeli authorities report this to any American agency?  No one knows.  Because, this information is classified.  Again, IMHO, nothing should be classified - the American people have a right to know.

https://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report.pdf
https://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123885&page=1

FYI, in the 911 report, they name in detail names of people involved in making the report.  In your OP, you mention no names at all.  Just generic "Engineers". 

 
 

Z09 » 23 Jul 2023, 8:30 am » wrote: ↑

23 Jul 2023, 8:30 am

There is simply no way any deep state could keep the murder of 3000 people a secret during the planning or after the deed.

Like JFK...
After 60 years and there's still no evidence...Just speculation..

Does anyone really think the Secret Service, FBI, CIA and Dallas Police all got together and killed JFK and then kept it quietly...?

I just told you that it isn't a secret.. but let's try it another way, I have asked this question many times over the years but somehow the true believers seem unable to come up with an answer.. not that I think you will but it's fun to see them try to weasel their way out of it.. why aren't their any pictures of a plane hitting the Pentagon to be found anywhere?

 

 
 

Z09 » 23 Jul 2023, 9:12 am » wrote: ↑

23 Jul 2023, 9:12 am

Of course you can't come up with anything?

Except of course....
If you saying all these illegals flooding the country should get free healthcare..

Oh wait..
You did say that!

What would you propose as a solution to those very real and pressing problems?

I don’t think we are ready yet for Medicare for All.  We have to get Medicaid for the poor, wayfaring stranger fully in place first.

But I love the hell out of E Verify.

It’s a MAGA wet dream, complete with lots of government issued photo IDs to not just vote, all kinds of ****. 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-Verify

Is E Verify a good start for the ones that climb over old Trumpy’s wall?

Skans » 23 Jul 2023, 9:20 am » wrote: ↑

23 Jul 2023, 9:20 am

Read the 911 Commission Report.  I did.  It explains in great detail how the towers were destroyed.  In great detail.  Did I leave out "great detail".  Read it.  So show me how your generic "Engineers" refute the details of the Report, and only then will I be willing to further the discussion.  BTW, "refuting" does not mean putting forth some alternate-universe scenario and completely ignoring what was investigated and reported.  I have seen no such valid alternative report which debunks the 911 Commission report, without resorting to alternative-universe wack-job theories.

https://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report.pdf

FYI, in the 911 report, they name in detail names of people involved in making the report.  In your OP, you mention no names at all.  Just generic "Engineers".

You read almost 600 pages of that report?

****
 

Jantje_Smit » 23 Jul 2023, 9:20 am » wrote: ↑

23 Jul 2023, 9:20 am

I just told you that it isn't a secret.. but let's try it another way, I have asked this question many times over the years but somehow the true believers seem unable to come up with an answer.. not that I think you will but it's fun to see them try to weasel their way out of it.. why aren't their any pictures of a plane hitting the Pentagon to be found anywhere?

 

 

that big round hole with no signs of wing impact was interesting too

Z09 » 23 Jul 2023, 9:28 am » wrote: ↑

23 Jul 2023, 9:28 am

You don't want Medicare for all but want illegals to get FREE healthcare...

Wanna explain?

Medicare is earned.  Children haven’t had a chance to earn.  There’s a payroll tax of about 3% on payrolls plus a 1% earned income tax on the wealthy to pay for Medicare.

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Brandon Speaks!

The President’s FY 2024 Budget will lay out President Biden’s plan to invest in America, lower costs for families, protect and strengthen Social Security and Medicare, and reduce the deficit.
 Millions of Americans have been working their whole lives, paying into Medicare with every working day, and want to know that they can count on Medicare to be there for them when they turn 65. The President’s Budget extends the life of the Medicare Trust Fund by at least 25 years. It achieves these gains with no benefit cuts—indeed, while lowering costs for Medicare beneficiaries.
 Extending Medicare SolvencyThe proposals in the President’s Budget would extend the solvency of Medicare’s Hospital Insurance (HI) Trust Fund by at least 25 years, the Medicare Office of the Chief Actuary estimates. While the most recent Medicare Trustees Report projected that the HI Trust Fund would be insolvent in 2028, the President’s Budget would extend solvency at least into the 2050s.
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Medicaid is a means tested poverty program that pays directly to medical providers.

Poor old George Floyd’s doctors were paid by Medicaid.

I hope Medicaid pays the doctors who treat all those Cubans that float over here on rafts, but I don’t know.
 
 

Z09 » 23 Jul 2023, 9:35 am » wrote: ↑

23 Jul 2023, 9:35 am

Footage from two Pentagon security cameras outside the building shows the American Airlines flight crashing into the Pentagon. The footage was released by the U.S. Department of Defense in 2006 after conservative government watchdog Judicial Watch filed a Freedom of Information Act request two years earlier, the Associated Press reported.In describing the footage, the AP stated: “The aeroplane is a thin white blur on the video as it hits the Pentagon at ground level. Almost instantly, a white flash and a huge orange fireball appear on the video, followed by a tower of grey-black smoke.”There are also multiple photographs of debris from the aircraft found at the Pentagon crash site, including images released by the FBI.

In describing the footage, the AP stated: “The aeroplane is a thin white blur on the video as it hits the Pentagon at ground level. Almost instantly, a white flash and a huge orange fireball appear on the video, followed by a tower of grey-black smoke.”

Did you look at your evidence?

thousands of cameras all over the DC area and one blurry streak is all that was captured?

and the photos from the FBI that you linked to show an entire jumbo jet reduced to a load that would fit on a pick up truck 
 

Mrkelly » 23 Jul 2023, 9:30 am » wrote: ↑

23 Jul 2023, 9:30 am

You read almost 600 pages of that report?

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No.  Not almost 600 pages.  Every freaking page.  Right when it came out.  That's why I remember much of what is in it....as well as what it footnoted and what was later discovered to be not thoroughly covered in it.  I still have the original paperback Report on my shelf.
 
 
 

Skans » 23 Jul 2023, 9:49 am » wrote: ↑

23 Jul 2023, 9:49 am

No.  Not almost 600 pages.  Every freaking page.  Right when it came out.

 

Mrkelly » 23 Jul 2023, 9:33 am » wrote: ↑

23 Jul 2023, 9:33 am

that big round hole with no signs of wing impact was interesting too

That's another thing.. and then there is the missing wreckage, look at that grass, immaculate, looks like a golf course, not a crash site..

 

 
 


 

Z09 » 23 Jul 2023, 9:49 am » wrote: ↑

23 Jul 2023, 9:49 am

So you actually think that no plane ever hit the Pentagon?

Suppose you tell us what happened to the plane?

An average house fly lives about a month. In that time, females can lay five to six batches of eggs. Although they’re more active in the summer, house flies reproduce year-round.

Mrkelly » 23 Jul 2023, 9:50 am » wrote: ↑

23 Jul 2023, 9:50 am

You are an illiterate, low-curiosity, 2-digit IQ fool.  Yes, some of us read.  Yes, some of us actually remember what we read.  Yes, some of us understand what we read.  Yes, some of us know to read the footnotes, because that's where the real information is, Yes, some of us recall this information when later reading something new about an event, and incorporate that information into a slightly more detailed understanding of what happened.

But, sadly, Mr. Kelly, you are not "one of us".
 

Z09 » 23 Jul 2023, 9:35 am » wrote: ↑

23 Jul 2023, 9:35 am

The footage was released by the U.S. Department of Defense in 2006 after conservative government watchdog Judicial Watch filed a Freedom of Information Act request two years earlier 

Oh, I have seen that before.. another funny thing, why did it take 5 years and a freedom of information act request to get that released?

.. In describing the footage, the AP stated: “The aeroplane is a thin white blur on the video as it hits the Pentagon at ground level. Almost instantly, a white flash and a huge orange fireball appear on the video, followed by a tower of grey-black smoke.”

lol.. and that tiny white blur is a cruise missile.. which also answers the question..


 
 
 
 

Skans » 23 Jul 2023, 9:58 am » wrote: ↑

23 Jul 2023, 9:58 am

You are an illiterate, low-curiosity, 2-digit IQ fool.  Yes, some of us read.  Yes, some of us actually remember what we read.  Yes, some of us understand what we read.  Yes, some of us know to read the footnotes, because that's where the real information is, Yes, some of us recall this information when later reading something new about an event, and incorporate that information into a slightly more detailed understanding of what happened.

But, sadly, Mr. Kelly, you are not "one of us".

  I see what you post

IF you read anything , it’s the back of a cereal box

razoo » 22 Jul 2023, 4:11 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Jul 2023, 4:11 pm

They were receiving flight instructions and paying cash money for their instruction ........... odd thing about this instruction is they were not interested in landing only take off ....... 

Where was the GW Bush surveillance team? No where to be found. Clinton had these terrorists under surveillance then GW came along and provided no more funding. Inside job? You bet inside the Bush admin, 
Big brother knew of these nut jobs yet lost funding and they were living within walking distance of NSA headquarters yet still got away with this terrorist activity................. Inside job = the GOP

Ummm, George W. Bush was only president for 6 months prior to the event.  Clinton was president for 8 years prior to that, and during other events when muslim terrorists attacked America.  Stupid Democrat F-Tard.
 

Z09 » 23 Jul 2023, 10:05 am » wrote: ↑

23 Jul 2023, 10:05 am

Razoo says Clinton had these terrorists under surveillence....
If so why were they still in the US?

Expired visas...
No known address....
Terrorists ties

I doubt that "Clinton" had these terrorists under surveillance.  But, I do believe that low-level people in different agencies had some information they gathered on the terrorists before they went into action.  The truth is that there really was a problem with agencies not sharing information.  Each piece of information that any one agency had would not have been enough to raise a red flag.  But, all of it taken together - yeah, it told a story, doesn't it.

Some aspects of the Homeland Security Act were good and necessary.  But, listening into the private conversations of American Citizens - I think that goes too far.
 
 

Z09 » 23 Jul 2023, 10:06 am » wrote: ↑

23 Jul 2023, 10:06 am

CLAIM: A CNN report from Sept. 11, 2001, is evidence that no airplane debris was found at the site of the Pentagon attack.

AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. The CNN report was deceptively recut to make it seem as though a correspondent at the scene, Jamie McIntyre, said debris from an airplane had not been found. In the real footage, McIntyre says that debris had not been found anywhere except the Pentagon, and describes in detail the parts of the plane that he did see. There is also photographic evidence of airplane debris found at the crash site.

Link?