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Z09 » 11 Aug 2023, 10:38 am » wrote: ↑

11 Aug 2023, 10:38 am

No..
Now you're just lying

Can you tell us who disassembled this plane and what happened to the passengers?
You say they never existed..

Why would there be footage of them in the airport if they never existed?

Also, was the plane disassembled?
Jantje says you're wrong.   It was flown remote control into the ocean...

can you tell us why you pretend that the Pentagon was the only building hit that day?

Jantje_Smit » 11 Aug 2023, 3:37 am » wrote: ↑

11 Aug 2023, 3:37 am

I'm curious, I see two sentences but they don't connect at all.. you keep whining about it but I told you many times that the bodies of the passengers never were at the Pentagon.. why won't that register in your 'brain'?

         I just want to make sure I am understanding you my friend...
 1. It is your assertion the passengers, crew along with the 5 Al Qaeda Terrorists who were seen boarding at Gate D26 Flight 77 at Dulles International  Airport nor the American Airlines Boeing 757 they flew on were never at the Pentagon... Is this the case ?

 2.  I do believe at one point you theorized the Plane had been shot down over the Ocean, which was 100 Miles from the Pentagon.. But when we discussed the fact the corpses, body parts and pieces of human flesh that were brought to Dover Air Base in Delaware had been charred, you revised your theory, suggesting the plane had been commandeered by remote control and flown to a military base, or some secret location ---- Afterwards the Plane could have been dumped in the ocean.. This would mean all onboard Flight 77 would have had to have been murdered at such location either after a forced landing, or in an intentional remote control crash -- which is still murder.... Is this your belief ? 

3.  Is it your assertion  Passenger / famed Conservative author & political pundit Barbara Olsen, along with the American Airlines Flight Attendant Renee May did not make phone calls to family members (Olsen called her husband Solicitor General Theodore Olsen --- May called her mother) to tell them the Plane had been Hijacked, and to notify authorities....? 

3. The bodies of all onboard Flight 77 who were murdered had their corpses soaked in jet fuel (Forensic Pathologists at Dover stated the remains smelled of jet fuel), burned, dismembered, ground into smaller pieces of bone & flesh --- then flown to Dover Air Base --  where they were mixed into the 200 bags of human remains that were brought from the temporary morgue at the Pentagon to Dover... Is this correct?

4. I recently posted a Vid for you which documented & showed personal effects from Passengers on Flight 77 recovered at the Pentagon and returned to loved ones... In the Video there was a gentleman whose fiance eyeglasses and part of her scorched boarding pass were return to him.. He was also given a large picture album /catalog  of many other items recovered from the crash site for family members to view in hopes of  the items being identified who they belonged to. .  Were these personal belongings planted there along with the Flight Recorders, or were they simply never there as well?

    You have an awful lot going on here ..... 
A.  A Missile hitting the Pentagon ---- from an unknown location, fired by unknown entities -- under the orders of I can't imagine.
B.  A Plane crashing at an unknown location -- brought down by unknown means -- then dumped in the ocean by unknown sources.
C.  Before dumping the Plane in the ocean, pieces are stripped off of it  --  snuck to the Pentagon and planted by FBI or Secret Agents .. 
D.  Personal belongings from the Passengers & Crew of Flight 77 are also planted at the Pentagon crash site.
E.  Body parts, corpses and pieces of flesh from those aboard Flight 77 are burned to take on the appearance of having been in a fiery crash -- then taken to Dover AB, then intermingled with the remains recovered and brought from the Pentagon... 
 

SJConspirator » 11 Aug 2023, 10:20 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Aug 2023, 10:20 pm

can you tell us why you pretend that the Pentagon was the only building hit that day?

         Z09 never suggested any such thing...  
        

Vegas » 11 Aug 2023, 9:18 am » wrote: ↑

11 Aug 2023, 9:18 am

She won't answer.

There were no photos of a cruise missile either.

But can we all agree a huge object did hit the Pentagon?

The huge hole was not faked, was it?

Bruce » 12 Aug 2023, 12:08 am » wrote: ↑

12 Aug 2023, 12:08 am

There were no photos of a cruise missile either.

But can we all agree a huge object did hit the Pentagon?

The huge hole was not faked, was it?

Of course something hit it. Why would the government provide any video evidence of them hitting the pentagon with a  missile? It would make perfect sense to release video of a plane hitting it, but there isn't any. 

Kobia2 » 11 Aug 2023, 11:54 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Aug 2023, 11:54 pm

         Z09 never suggested any such thing...  
        

Z09 never answers questions either. Therefore, I won't answer any of her's. She takes after BlackVegtable. 

Vegas » 11 Aug 2023, 9:18 am » wrote: ↑

11 Aug 2023, 9:18 am

She won't answer.

               In fairness... You'd have probably saved everybody a lot of time had you just said right off the bat,  don't bother trying to change your mind or prove anything to you unless you have a clear photograph of Flight 77 hitting the building... Well, we'd all be delighted if there is such a photo or super slow-mo vid of the Plane making impact.... We don't, so that's where you make a determination / conclusion based on the preponderance of the evidence you have..

               You have discounted, dismissed, or denied 100% of the evidence we do have --- including many credible eyewitnesses who
 you have concluded are either liars, mistaken, or complicit in the murder of 3000 of their countrymen.... You don't believe the 5 downed Light Posts which witnesses saw the Plane clip with its wings, along with photos and schematic showing the positioning of each Pole which proved it could only have been a large winged aircraft that knocked them down.. All of the Aircraft debris, Flight Recorder, photo evidence is dismissed as having been planted there.. Human remains having been recovered at the crash site which were identified as belonging to the passengers & crew of Flight 77 were either never there, or those people simply never existed.. Personal effects of those aboard Flight 77 recovered from the crash site were planted there along with the Plane's Flight Recorders.. 

​​​​​​​             What I find puzzling, and I say this respectfully --- is many of the Inside Jobbers  do not apply the same criteria or standard when it comes to proving their own case as to what happened at the Pentagon on 9/11... Without a single witness, shred of evidence, or credible whistleblower coming forward after 20 years they remain 100% convinced that's the way it happened.. Don't you find that a bit odd?

Z09 » 11 Aug 2023, 10:56 am » wrote: ↑

11 Aug 2023, 10:56 am

You stated that Rolls Royce stated the plane parts weren't theirs.
That was a lie by Loose Change.
The fact is a reporter showed a photo and the Rolls Royce guy could not identify the plane part.
And then they started with the BS "Rolls Royce says it's not their plane part"
The fact is...
The person they showed the part too contiued on by saying "I'm not a mechanic....I'm just the company spokesman"

I shape my opinion on evidence...
 

lol.. the Rolls Roye company spokes man doesn't know what he is talking about because he isn't a mechanic but you do because you saw the evidence...

The first picture is from the 'Rolls Royce' engine found at the pentagon, notice the guy's leg next to it.. the other one is from an actual Rolls Royce engine on a boeing 757, notice the guy next to it... if you compare the size of the engine in both pictures, what does that tell you?

 


 
 
 

Kobia2 » 11 Aug 2023, 11:51 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Aug 2023, 11:51 pm

         I just want to make sure I am understanding you my friend... 

That's a lot of understanding you have to do..  and a lot for me to answer.. lol... but I will see what I can do...

1. It is your assertion the passengers, crew along with the 5 Al Qaeda Terrorists who were seen boarding at Gate D26 Flight 77 at Dulles International  Airport nor the American Airlines Boeing 757 they flew on were never at the Pentagon... Is this the case ?

Yes, although I would make it alleged terrorists since they were on the payroll of the deep state..

 2.  I do believe at one point you theorized the Plane had been shot down over the Ocean, which was 100 Miles from the Pentagon.. But when we discussed the fact the corpses, body parts and pieces of human flesh that were brought to Dover Air Base in Delaware had been charred, you revised your theory, suggesting the plane had been commandeered by remote control and flown to a military base, or some secret location ---- Afterwards the Plane could have been dumped in the ocean..

You believe wrong, I said I didn't know or cared what happened to the plane, maybe it was dumped in the ocean.. but it is just a minor point, no reason to get obessed about it.. and I never said it was remote controlled, the planes that hit the towers were..

This would mean all onboard Flight 77 would have had to have been murdered at such location either after a forced landing, or in an intentional remote control crash -- which is still murder.... Is this your belief ?  

But yes, that would be right..

3.  Is it your assertion  Passenger / famed Conservative author & political pundit Barbara Olsen, along with the American Airlines Flight Attendant Renee May did not make phone calls to family members (Olsen called her husband Solicitor General Theodore Olsen --- May called her mother) to tell them the Plane had been Hijacked, and to notify authorities....? 

I never asserted anything about that but why not, the plane really was hijacked so no reason why she couldn't have made that call, the hijackers probably let her to make it look more credible.. they needed crediblity because they knew there wouldn't be any pictures of a plane hitting the Pentagon...

3. The bodies of all onboard Flight 77 who were murdered had their corpses soaked in jet fuel (Forensic Pathologists at Dover stated the remains smelled of jet fuel), burned, dismembered, ground into smaller pieces of bone & flesh --- then flown to Dover Air Base --  where they were mixed into the 200 bags of human remains that were brought from the temporary morgue at the Pentagon to Dover... Is this correct?

That's another 3. but yes... I'm not sure they were flown to Dover AFB, they arrived the same way as the bodies from the Pentagon arrived there..

4. I recently posted a Vid for you which documented & showed personal effects from Passengers on Flight 77 recovered at the Pentagon and returned to loved ones... In the Video there was a gentleman whose fiance eyeglasses and part of her scorched boarding pass were return to him.. He was also given a large picture album /catalog  of many other items recovered from the crash site for family members to view in hopes of  the items being identified who they belonged to. .  Were these personal belongings planted there along with the Flight Recorders, or were they simply never there as well?

Oh, they were there, didn't I say it would be easy to plant a few small items there when no one was looking?

You have an awful lot going on here ..... 

Well, it was an aweful big conspiracy..

 



 
 

Z09 » 12 Aug 2023, 6:06 am » wrote: ↑

12 Aug 2023, 6:06 am

​​​​​​Your photos:
You post 2 photos..
One from the crash site and another from something you found on the Internet.
They don't match.

Why should they?​​​​ 

Thanks for that, even if you didn't intend to...

Maybe this will help, I put the title below the photo... please don't tell me you need more explanation...
 
   
   
 
 
 
 

Z09 » 12 Aug 2023, 8:16 am » wrote: ↑

12 Aug 2023, 8:16 am

Read this slowly...
The plane that crash into the Pentagon was built around 1990

This photo is from a couple decades later...

They don't match?

I don't expect them too

Are you seriously suggesting that the engine of a boeing 757 trippled in size since 1990?

And I'm the one with insane theories... lol...

 

 
 

Z09 » 12 Aug 2023, 9:57 am » wrote: ↑

12 Aug 2023, 9:57 am

It didn't triple in size...
It was ripped apart by crash...

You're showing a photo of an engine AFTER the crash where the outer casing around it has been destroyed..

Did you ever see a new car?
And then see a car after a 100 mph head on crash?

Are they the same size?

Now you're just being stupid

Airplane engines are made of stainless steel, not aluminium, they don't shrink in a crash.. it should look like this..


 
Not like this.. a cruise missile engine is a lot smaller than a jet engine though..



 
 

Jantje_Smit » 12 Aug 2023, 4:17 am » wrote: ↑

12 Aug 2023, 4:17 am

The first picture is from the 'Rolls Royce' engine found at the pentagon, notice the guy's leg next to it.. the other one is from an actual Rolls Royce engine on a boeing 757, notice the guy next to it... if you compare the size of the engine in both pictures, what does that tell you?

 


 
 

                       It tells us this is not a correct photo comparison....
     The bottom photo is showing a front view of an aircraft outer portion of an engine Turbo Fan....  The piece in the photo above recovered from the Penatog is from the Inner / Central Core and is a Compressor Disk Hub.... 

                                           https://aerospaceweb.org/question/consp ... 0265.shtml
         


        
 
 

Jantje_Smit » 12 Aug 2023, 10:21 am » wrote: ↑

12 Aug 2023, 10:21 am

Airplane engines are made of stainless steel, not aluminium, they don't shrink in a crash.. it should look like this..


 
Not like this.. a cruise missile engine is a lot smaller than a jet engine though..

      Not the same part at all............... 
 

Kobia2 » 12 Aug 2023, 10:27 am » wrote: ↑

12 Aug 2023, 10:27 am

      Not the same part at all............... 

ok, that's an explanation I can go along with, if it's the inner part it would be smaller.. but in that case it raises the question what happened to rest of the engine (two of them), as I said, it's stainless steel, it doesn't shrink or vaporize.. I suppose there aren't any pictures of those...


 


 

Jantje_Smit » 12 Aug 2023, 10:39 am » wrote: ↑

12 Aug 2023, 10:39 am

ok, that's an explanation I can go along with, if it's the inner part it would be smaller.. but in that case it raises the question what happened to rest of the engine (two of them), as I said, it's stainless steel, it doesn't shrink or vaporize.. I suppose there aren't any pictures of those...

              There will never be enough pictures.... 
 

Kobia2 » 12 Aug 2023, 10:44 am » wrote: ↑

12 Aug 2023, 10:44 am

              There will never be enough pictures.... 

Just one (not fake) picture of a plane hitting the Pentagon would be enough... yet that seems to be a problem, why is that?

 


 

Vegas » 12 Aug 2023, 12:14 am » wrote: ↑

12 Aug 2023, 12:14 am

Of course something hit it. Why would the government provide any video evidence of them hitting the pentagon with a  missile? It would make perfect sense to release video of a plane hitting it, but there isn't any.

Let us assume, without admitting anything, the government has footage of a huge cruise missile hitting the Pentagon.

The largest production line cruise missiles in the world at that time, and even today, weigh less than a Chevy Suburban.

Are we still in agreement?

Any enormous secret weapon cruise missile that hit the Pentagon would have needed massive resources to design, manufacture and deploy.

Agreed?

 
 

Jantje_Smit » 12 Aug 2023, 10:39 am » wrote: ↑

12 Aug 2023, 10:39 am

ok, that's an explanation I can go along with, if it's the inner part it would be smaller.. but in that case it raises the question what happened to rest of the engine (two of them), as I said, it's stainless steel, it doesn't shrink or vaporize.. I suppose there aren't any pictures of those...

So why did they do this??

That seems much more important....THE GOAL, not the act.  



 

Bruce » 12 Aug 2023, 11:01 am » wrote: ↑

12 Aug 2023, 11:01 am

The largest production line cruise missiles in the world at that time, and even today, weigh less than a Chevy Suburban.

Are we still in agreement?

 

True. They weigh between 2700 and 3500 pounds, give or take. 

Any enormous secret weapon cruise missile that hit the Pentagon would have needed massive resources to design, manufacture and deploy.

Agreed?

No, absolutely not.  Why would it? The job of a missile is to send a message. It carries between 1000 to 2000 pounds of explosives and it's used for precision. They are already designed and manufactured. In fact, it would take far more intricacies to organize a high jacking of a 757,  have an amateur goat **** fly it with extreme precision, and crash it into the side of a pentagon. That would be far more improbable.