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Z09 » 12 Aug 2023, 9:57 am » wrote: ↑

12 Aug 2023, 9:57 am

It didn't triple in size...
It was ripped apart by crash...

You're showing a photo of an engine AFTER the crash where the outer casing around it has been destroyed..

Did you ever see a new car?
And then see a car after a 100 mph head on crash?

Are they the same size?

Now you're just being stupid

Airplane engines are made of stainless steel, not aluminium, they don't shrink in a crash.. it should look like this..


 
Not like this.. a cruise missile engine is a lot smaller than a jet engine though..



 
 

Jantje_Smit » 12 Aug 2023, 4:17 am » wrote: ↑

12 Aug 2023, 4:17 am

The first picture is from the 'Rolls Royce' engine found at the pentagon, notice the guy's leg next to it.. the other one is from an actual Rolls Royce engine on a boeing 757, notice the guy next to it... if you compare the size of the engine in both pictures, what does that tell you?

 


 
 

                       It tells us this is not a correct photo comparison....
     The bottom photo is showing a front view of an aircraft outer portion of an engine Turbo Fan....  The piece in the photo above recovered from the Penatog is from the Inner / Central Core and is a Compressor Disk Hub.... 

                                           https://aerospaceweb.org/question/consp ... 0265.shtml
         


        
 
 

Jantje_Smit » 12 Aug 2023, 10:21 am » wrote: ↑

12 Aug 2023, 10:21 am

Airplane engines are made of stainless steel, not aluminium, they don't shrink in a crash.. it should look like this..


 
Not like this.. a cruise missile engine is a lot smaller than a jet engine though..

      Not the same part at all............... 
 

Kobia2 » 12 Aug 2023, 10:27 am » wrote: ↑

12 Aug 2023, 10:27 am

      Not the same part at all............... 

ok, that's an explanation I can go along with, if it's the inner part it would be smaller.. but in that case it raises the question what happened to rest of the engine (two of them), as I said, it's stainless steel, it doesn't shrink or vaporize.. I suppose there aren't any pictures of those...


 


 

Jantje_Smit » 12 Aug 2023, 10:39 am » wrote: ↑

12 Aug 2023, 10:39 am

ok, that's an explanation I can go along with, if it's the inner part it would be smaller.. but in that case it raises the question what happened to rest of the engine (two of them), as I said, it's stainless steel, it doesn't shrink or vaporize.. I suppose there aren't any pictures of those...

              There will never be enough pictures.... 
 

Kobia2 » 12 Aug 2023, 10:44 am » wrote: ↑

12 Aug 2023, 10:44 am

              There will never be enough pictures.... 

Just one (not fake) picture of a plane hitting the Pentagon would be enough... yet that seems to be a problem, why is that?

 


 

Vegas » 12 Aug 2023, 12:14 am » wrote: ↑

12 Aug 2023, 12:14 am

Of course something hit it. Why would the government provide any video evidence of them hitting the pentagon with a  missile? It would make perfect sense to release video of a plane hitting it, but there isn't any.

Let us assume, without admitting anything, the government has footage of a huge cruise missile hitting the Pentagon.

The largest production line cruise missiles in the world at that time, and even today, weigh less than a Chevy Suburban.

Are we still in agreement?

Any enormous secret weapon cruise missile that hit the Pentagon would have needed massive resources to design, manufacture and deploy.

Agreed?

 
 

Jantje_Smit » 12 Aug 2023, 10:39 am » wrote: ↑

12 Aug 2023, 10:39 am

ok, that's an explanation I can go along with, if it's the inner part it would be smaller.. but in that case it raises the question what happened to rest of the engine (two of them), as I said, it's stainless steel, it doesn't shrink or vaporize.. I suppose there aren't any pictures of those...

So why did they do this??

That seems much more important....THE GOAL, not the act.  



 

Bruce » 12 Aug 2023, 11:01 am » wrote: ↑

12 Aug 2023, 11:01 am

The largest production line cruise missiles in the world at that time, and even today, weigh less than a Chevy Suburban.

Are we still in agreement?

 

True. They weigh between 2700 and 3500 pounds, give or take. 

Any enormous secret weapon cruise missile that hit the Pentagon would have needed massive resources to design, manufacture and deploy.

Agreed?

No, absolutely not.  Why would it? The job of a missile is to send a message. It carries between 1000 to 2000 pounds of explosives and it's used for precision. They are already designed and manufactured. In fact, it would take far more intricacies to organize a high jacking of a 757,  have an amateur goat **** fly it with extreme precision, and crash it into the side of a pentagon. That would be far more improbable.

Z09 » 12 Aug 2023, 11:07 am » wrote: ↑

12 Aug 2023, 11:07 am

The problem is you have NO evidence it was a missile...

Nothing..
No witnesses..
No missile debris..
Nothing!

It's so far fetched you now say it doesn't matter what happened to the plane...
...Well, since that's part of your conspiracy then you need to tell us how a plane that 100 people saw flying overhead 15 seconds ago just disappeared...

And the idea you could walk onto a military base and fire off a cruise missile without anyone noticing is just BS...

Pardon my intrusion, but there is no video of the first plane hitting the WTC and yet, all the deep state conspirators believe in that plane.

They do believe, because there are about fifty separate videos of the second plane hitting the other tower.

They also believe Flight 93 was flown into the ground in Pennsylvania, because there’s a plane down in that hole.

You cannot provide any video of a 757 hitting the Pentagon.

But how big, and how fast, and how accurate would a cruise missile need to be to blast such a huge hole in a hard target like the Pentagon?

No eye witnesses, no radar evidence, please calculate the size of the cruise missile they believe hit the Pentagon.

I’m curious, is all. 
 

Z09 » 12 Aug 2023, 11:16 am » wrote: ↑

12 Aug 2023, 11:16 am

Blah blah blah!

Slowest learner ever. ^^^ Still won't answer questions. ^^^

Jantje_Smit » 12 Aug 2023, 10:57 am » wrote: ↑

12 Aug 2023, 10:57 am

Just one (not fake) picture of a plane hitting the Pentagon would be enough... yet that seems to be a problem, why is that?

             Everything that doesn't support your belief that a hijacked Boeing 757 Flight 77 was shot down or forced landed enroute to attacking the Pentagon --- only to seamlessly be replaced by a US MIssile that attacked the same target is fake...

              I already told you the Cameras at that time which would have captured the Plane only operated at 1 frame per second... This is what was shown in the released Vid of 77 impacting the Pentagon.  At one point you posted a picture of cameras that were on the building that day.... Explain / prove which of these should have captured a clear photo of Flight 77.... What type of cameras were they?... What was their precise positioning, and what were they directed at?... You are assuming those cameras should have captured the precise photographic or video footage & evidence you are demanding ...Prove it.. Be fair, even if the Feds (or anyone else) had & released such photos or footage, it would simply be another piece of evidence that the inside-jobbers would insist was planted, manipulated, faked etc... 

Kobia2 » 12 Aug 2023, 12:26 am » wrote: ↑

12 Aug 2023, 12:26 am

               In fairness... You'd have probably saved everybody a lot of time had you just said right off the bat,  don't bother trying to change your mind or prove anything to you unless you have a clear photograph of Flight 77 hitting the building... Well, we'd all be delighted if there is such a photo or super slow-mo vid of the Plane making impact.... We don't, so that's where you make a determination / conclusion based on the preponderance of the evidence you have..

               You have discounted, dismissed, or denied 100% of the evidence we do have --- including many credible eyewitnesses who
 you have concluded are either liars, mistaken, or complicit in the murder of 3000 of their countrymen.... You don't believe the 5 downed Light Posts which witnesses saw the Plane clip with its wings, along with photos and schematic showing the positioning of each Pole which proved it could only have been a large winged aircraft that knocked them down.. All of the Aircraft debris, Flight Recorder, photo evidence is dismissed as having been planted there.. Human remains having been recovered at the crash site which were identified as belonging to the passengers & crew of Flight 77 were either never there, or those people simply never existed.. Personal effects of those aboard Flight 77 recovered from the crash site were planted there along with the Plane's Flight Recorders.. 

             What I find puzzling, and I say this respectfully --- is many of the Inside Jobbers  do not apply the same criteria or standard when it comes to proving their own case as to what happened at the Pentagon on 9/11... Without a single witness, shred of evidence, or credible whistleblower coming forward after 20 years they remain 100% convinced that's the way it happened.. Don't you find that a bit odd?

1. It's not unreasonable. The pentagon has cameras everywhere. There was even one right on top of where the plane allegedly crashed, undamaged. Yet, nothing was released. That is a fair point that needs to be addressed. But she wont. 

2. I have discounted 100% of testimonies, not evidence. Everything you said relies on what we are 'told.'

3. Since we are the ones that aren't making the claims, the burden of proof does not rely on us. The claim is that a plane hit the pentagon. Therefore, the burden of proof relies on those making the claim. Not on us. You both have only given us what we were told. Testimonies. 

Bruce » 12 Aug 2023, 11:20 am » wrote: ↑

12 Aug 2023, 11:20 am

You cannot provide any video of a 757 hitting the Pentagon.

But how big, and how fast, and how accurate would a cruise missile need to be to blast such a huge hole in a hard target like the Pentagon?

No eye witnesses, no radar evidence, please calculate the size of the cruise missile they believe hit the Pentagon.

I’m curious, is all.

Like I said 100k times already. The pentagon had cameras everywhere. Even one right above the hole, undamaged. Yet, you guys still want to skirt around that pesky little fact.  
 

Not to brag, but this is one awesome thread. There are three threads with over 1200 replies. Two of those have been pinned and were up for quite a long time. My thread has never been pinned and has been up in a fraction of their time. Just saying...this is an awesome thread.   

Z09 » 12 Aug 2023, 11:38 am » wrote: ↑

12 Aug 2023, 11:38 am

blah blah blah!

Slowest learner ever ^^^ Still won't answer questions. ^^^

Vegas » 12 Aug 2023, 11:49 am » wrote: ↑

12 Aug 2023, 11:49 am

Slowest learner ever ^^^ Still won't answer questions. ^^^

So what was the goal of this incredibly elaborate event....??

why cant I get anyone to answer

this simple question??  Seems THE GOAL is the point
 

Z09 » 12 Aug 2023, 11:16 am » wrote: ↑

12 Aug 2023, 11:16 am

Norad..
Flight attendents
Air traffic controllers.
FBI
Total staff at Dulles

And that doesn't include whoever shot off the missile in the first place

And of course the guys that "disassembled" a jumbo jet for no reason...

           Adding to the list of those complicit in the attack & cover up regarding the Pentagon....

1. Father Stephen McGraw (Catholic Priest) who clearly witnessed Flight 77 (along with every single other eyewitness)
2. C-130 Pilot Steve O'Brien (Minnesota Air Guard) who saw the Hijacked Flight 77 fill the view of his cockpit window.
3. Fire / Rescue / and Recovery personnel who recovered Plane debris and human remains.
4. Forensic Anthropologists & medical staff at Dover Air Base (Delaware).
5. DC Cab driver Lloyd England, who apparently smashed his taxis with a bat to make it appear the damage came from a downed Street Light        (which had also been planted at the scene).
6. American Airlines ( who invented a Flight which never took off, and a list of passengers & crew who never existed).
7. Army Soldiers from Fort Belvoir who aided and surveyed the interior of the crash site and told of seeing human remains and pieces of the Aircraft. (the Soldiers were some of the first to enter inside the building where the Plane made impact)..
8. The Paramedic who discovered the Plane's Flight Recorder.

 

Sumela » 12 Aug 2023, 11:53 am » wrote: ↑

12 Aug 2023, 11:53 am

So what was the goal of this incredibly elaborate event....??

why cant I get anyone to answer

this simple question??  Seems THE GOAL is the point

I did answer. From what happened, evidently the goal was to control the Middle East for 20 years. We didn't need to invade Iraq, but claiming that some of those involved with 9/11 was hiding there made it easier for us to invade them. We got their oil. Afghanistan is a wasteland for all sorts of resources. We occupied it. We were able to leverage ourselves over Iran, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and some other stupid country. American private companies, such as Halliburton and other oil organizations, saw skyrocketing profits. Due to occupying the Poppyfields in Afghanistan, many American drug companies were able to secure rights to pain meds based on opioids.  

Sumela » 12 Aug 2023, 11:53 am » wrote: ↑

12 Aug 2023, 11:53 am

So what was the goal of this incredibly elaborate event....??

why cant I get anyone to answer

this simple question??  Seems THE GOAL is the point

Simple.

1. The goal of the Deep State was to provide a pretext for for the invasion of Afghanistan.

OR

2. 19 rag head camel jockeys financed by Osama Bin Laden, who spent less than a half million dollars, plotted and executed the greatest feat of warfare since the mother **** sneaky Japs bombed Pearl Harbor sitting in a cave in Afghanistan, and the Muslims got their just deserts.

I pick option 2.

But do you see why people might want to believe option 1?