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Vegas » 12 Aug 2023, 12:08 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Aug 2023, 12:08 pm

Yep. I often wonder what this world would be like if America just minded it's own damn business. I can safely assume the world would be more peaceful.

WORD.
The empire loves creating world chaos and instability....because it can then exploit those countries.

 

Bruce » 12 Aug 2023, 12:10 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Aug 2023, 12:10 pm

Can you answer the size the secret cruise missile you think hit the Pentagon had to be, and estimate the cost of designing, making, and deploying that missile?

Until you do I can’t understand why the Deep State wouldn’t have just commandeered the controls of four planes instead of only three.

These missiles are already made. They just took one, aimed, and pulled the trigger. As far as cost, why would the government care? It's tax payer money. 

Like I said, to hit the pentagon straight on like that, it would take an incredible amount of precision. It's not like the towers that were easy targets. It would only make sense to use a missile instead of a plane.  

sootedupCyndi » 12 Aug 2023, 12:11 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Aug 2023, 12:11 pm

And alas they buried him out to sea. hahahahaha. Thats all i needed to hear! HOOT

lol, likely not.  The CIA has many Bin Ladens
 

Sumela » 12 Aug 2023, 12:16 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Aug 2023, 12:16 pm

lol, likely not.  The CIA has many Bin Ladens

yep?          
 

sootedupCyndi » 12 Aug 2023, 12:11 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Aug 2023, 12:11 pm

And alas they buried him out to sea. hahahahaha. Thats all i needed to hear! HOOT

Wait, it’s much better than that!

After photographing his body, your nation buried him with full Muslim rites off the deck of a naval war ship far out at sea.

As benefits a brave enemy.

We do the coolest **** on earth, we really do.


The ragheads cannot  make his grave a shrine.

And Uncle Joe can satisfy every Arab oil sheik we killed the bastard and they don’t need to worry about him undermining their kingdoms.

Ain’t that great?

 

Vegas » 12 Aug 2023, 11:49 am » wrote: ↑

12 Aug 2023, 11:49 am

Slowest learner ever ^^^ Still won't answer questions. ^^^

I've been a bit more interested in why building 7 went down. To date i see no info on that? Is there any?
 

Z09 » 12 Aug 2023, 12:20 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Aug 2023, 12:20 pm

The passengers were fake.  We were told that by you.
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Either they were fake, or shot down in the ocean. Either way, they weren't at the pentagon. "They" said they were. All testimonies. 

Bruce » 12 Aug 2023, 12:17 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Aug 2023, 12:17 pm

Wait, it’s much better than that!

After photographing his body, your nation buried him with full Muslim rites off the deck of a naval war ship far out at sea.

As benefits a brave enemy.

We do the coolest **** on earth, we really do.

The ragheads cannot  make his grave a shrine.

And Uncle Joe can satisfy every Arab oil sheik we killed the bastard and they don’t need to worry about him undermining their kingdoms.

Ain’t that great?

Well? if someone buried you out to sea- I'd be thinkin- That was fishy. Swimming  with the fish-ees.  
 

sootedupCyndi » 12 Aug 2023, 12:20 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Aug 2023, 12:20 pm

I've been a bit more interested in why building 7 went down. To date i see no info on that? Is there any?

Tons and tons of info.

Either

1.  The the Deep State planted charges they did not detonate until eight hours after the first tower was hit.

OR

2.  The first glass and steel tower in the world to ever have a large fire burn out of control for eight hours finally pan caked when the steel support beams were compromised by extreme heat.

I pick option 2.

@Kobia2  @Bruce  

I gave the benefit of the doubt as to how a 757 could have hit the pentagon at the angle claimed. It was almost horizontal. I thought maybe the plane hit it as if it was landing on a runway. That would allow the plane to hit it horizontally, as claimed. However, notice in any pics, there are no tire marks or even burn marks from the flames within feet of the building. There would have to be some markings on the lawn that a plane landed there. Fire marks on the grass. 

Nothing. Only fire from the building. That is more in line with a missile. 

Vegas » 12 Aug 2023, 12:21 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Aug 2023, 12:21 pm

Either they were fake, or shot down in the ocean. Either way, they weren't at the pentagon. "They" said they were. All testimonies.

Testimonies can be unreliable.

Why didn’t the Deep State just commandeer a fourth plane and use that plane as a cruise missile?

Why waste the largest cruise missile ever built?

Bruce » 12 Aug 2023, 12:29 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Aug 2023, 12:29 pm

Testimonies can be unreliable.

Why didn’t the Deep State just commandeer a fourth plane and use that plane as a cruise missile?

Why waste the largest cruise missile ever built?

You keep implying that this cruise missile had to be some enormous piece of work. It didn't. It didn't blow up the whole building. It put a hole in it, just as missiles, any ordinary missile, are supposed to do.  

Z09 » 12 Aug 2023, 12:31 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Aug 2023, 12:31 pm

Shut down in the ocean?

 

         Now you are just desperate. Never said they shut down the ocean. Seriously, what is wrong with you?

Bruce » 12 Aug 2023, 12:24 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Aug 2023, 12:24 pm

Tons and tons of info.

Either

1.  The the Deep State planted charges they did not detonate until eight hours after the first tower was hit.

OR

2.  The first glass and steel tower in the world to ever have a large fire burn out of control for eight hours finally pan caked when the steel support beams were compromised by extreme heat.

I pick option 2.

The problem with number 2 is that it doesn't align with any other building fires, be it in America, or anywhere around the globe. Can you show me one building fire, that burned for hours, and just caved like that? They usually just burn to the ground, not fall to the ground.

Z09 » 12 Aug 2023, 12:35 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Aug 2023, 12:35 pm

Shot down .
Are you saying Flight 77 was shot down in the ocean?
 
That would mean another cruise missile..

Seriously?

Oh I thought you said 'shut down the ocean.' Typo. 

Yes, another cruise missile. So? Our government shoots them all the time in war. Like all the time. It's not an aberration. 

Vegas » 12 Aug 2023, 11:26 am » wrote: ↑

12 Aug 2023, 11:26 am

1. It's not unreasonable. The pentagon has cameras everywhere. There was even one right on top of where the plane allegedly crashed, undamaged. Yet, nothing was released. That is a fair point that needs to be addressed. But she wont. 

2. I have discounted 100% of testimonies, not evidence. Everything you said relies on what we are 'told.'

3. Since we are the ones that aren't making the claims, the burden of proof does not rely on us. The claim is that a plane hit the pentagon. Therefore, the burden of proof relies on those making the claim. Not on us. You both have only given us what we were told. Testimonies.

              You're claiming the Cameras should have been able to take a clear enough photo showing the Plane either approaching ot hitting the Building.... The only Camera / Vid footage we have was taken from a camera with a 1-second per frame lens.... Do you have any information the other cameras were of a high-speed type --  different from the one that took the footage we have seen?  You're claiming there must have been, and they would have had to been pointed in the direction of the incoming Plane --- that burden of proof is on you...  

               Eyewitness testimony has pretty much been used around the globe since the beginning of time, as a credible source of validating  events which have occurred --- both inside & outside of courtrooms.. Could it be you're dismissing all of these witnesses because they they dispel & contradict your own assertion something other than Flight 77 hit the Pentagon?.....  Be honest -- Would you be just as quick to dismiss such testimony had it been 100 people (both on the ground and in the air) who claimed to have witnessed a Missile hitting the Pentagon instead of a Commercial Airliner? 

               The Insider-Jobber theorists have indeed made claims --- many of them, including planting of physical evidence -- the disappearing of a commercial Airline and murder of its passengers & crew --- human remains and body parts of such people taken from a secret location to Dover AB in Delaware -- claims of a Missile fired at & hitting the Pentagon etc... But what they seem to do is try to maneuver themselves into the very safe position of putting all the burden of proof onto others, without having to prove their endless list of additional assertions or often revised claims...
            

Z09 » 12 Aug 2023, 12:39 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Aug 2023, 12:39 pm

Flight 77 was on radar in Indianapolis...

 

Testimony ^^^ What we were told. 

sootedupCyndi » 12 Aug 2023, 12:23 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Aug 2023, 12:23 pm

Well? if someone buried you out to sea- I'd be thinkin- That was fishy. Swimming  with the fish-ees.

Yep, that was the entire point.

There are about a billion rag heads over there that keep their women wrapped up in black shrouds so no other man will want them.

They murder their sisters and daughters for having a cigarette or a beer, or being alone with a boy.

They don’t think their dead should be violated and must be buried within 24 hours.

Only a few Americans believe Osama is alive today.

The rag heads believe Obama killed him.

Kobia2 » 12 Aug 2023, 12:41 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Aug 2023, 12:41 pm

              You're claiming the Cameras should have been able to take a clear enough photo showing the Plane either approaching ot hitting the Building.... The only Camera / Vid footage we have was taken from a camera with a 1-second per frame lens.... Do you have any information the other cameras were of a high-speed type --  different from the one that took the footage we have seen?  You're claiming there must have been, and they would have had to been pointed in the direction of the incoming Plane --- that burden of proof is on you...  

               

The pentagon had 80 video cameras in the vicinity of the crash. All were confiscated except for that one blurry image from the security cam that doesn't show anything. You are saying that is normal and that we shouldn't be raising our eye brows? 

Eyewitness testimony has pretty much been used around the globe since the beginning of time, as a credible source of validating  events which have occurred --- both inside & outside of courtrooms.. Could it be you're dismissing all of these witnesses because they they dispel & contradict your own assertion something other than Flight 77 hit the Pentagon?.....  Be honest -- Would you be just as quick to dismiss such testimony had it been 100 people (both on the ground and in the air) who claimed to have witnessed a Missile hitting the Pentagon instead of a Commercial Airliner? 

I am dismissing their testimonies because it doesn't line up with physical evidence. The size of the hole, the fact that video from 80 different cameras are missing, there is no fire charcoal on the lawn just outside the crash, and that the damage looks like something from a missile, not a plane. Their testimonies are not lining up with physics nor physical evidence. They just aren't. 

               The Insider-Jobber theorists have indeed made claims --- many of them, including planting of physical evidence -- the disappearing of a commercial Airline and murder of its passengers & crew --- human remains and body parts of such people taken from a secret location to Dover AB in Delaware -- claims of a Missile fired at & hitting the Pentagon etc... But what they seem to do is try to maneuver themselves into the very safe position of putting all the burden of proof onto others, without having to prove their endless list of additional assertions or often revised claims...

Because the burden of proof is on you. The ones that make the claim are the ones that have the burden of proof. The claim is that a plane hit the pentagon. Therefore, the burden of proof is on their shoulders. Period. That's how it works. 
            




             
            

Z09 » 12 Aug 2023, 12:44 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Aug 2023, 12:44 pm

So numerous ATC were lying?

Any idea where these cruise missiles were shot from?

1. Don't know, don't care. Testimonies are not physical evidence. Period. That's that.

2. Do you really think the government would want us to know? Duh. 

3. Any reason why you wont answer my questions? Oh wait, that's because you are a coward. Never mind.