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Bruce » 13 Aug 2023, 4:50 am » wrote: ↑

13 Aug 2023, 4:50 am

The truth —-..Van der Lubbe was interviewed by the Gestapo and he admitted setting fire to the Reichstag..

Everybody you ever heard use the “Reichstag Fire” in your life as a synonym for a false flag ignores the fact a communist confessed to setting the fire, along with overwhelming corroborating evidence he in fact set the fire. 

How shall I put this..

     


 

Z09 » 13 Aug 2023, 5:21 am » wrote: ↑

13 Aug 2023, 5:21 am

Actually, we were being attacked numerous times in the 1990's...

                
         This is why I often state people, and the country on the whole were gravely mistaken to gloss over and fail to understand the significance of the 1993 World Trade Center attack...  This is because the results did not match the intent... Had the basement truck bomb taken one Tower down from ground level, and collapsing into the other, far more would have been killed than on 9/11....

        This is when we should have recognized and began dealing with Islamic Jihadist terrorism as a Geopolitical Military issue, rather than a matter for the Justice Dept....                                                                                                                          
 

Z09 » 13 Aug 2023, 5:20 am » wrote: ↑

13 Aug 2023, 5:20 am

And you still believe a cruise missile could be sent from a military base and no one would notice?

I told you plenty of times that it would have been passed off as an exercise and plenty of people saw it.. you still believe twisting my words makes you look smart?

How about showing us evidence that it was a missile?

Witnesses?
Data?
Debris?

Anything?

lol.. how about showing us evidence that it was a plane?

Pictures?
Wreckage?
Any credible explanations why you can't show that?

Anything?

 

 
 
 

Jantje_Smit » 13 Aug 2023, 4:31 am » wrote: ↑

13 Aug 2023, 4:31 am

They spelled it out perfectly... they needed a new Pearl Harbor to make their neocon dreams come true..

The cold war was over, no more USSR and evil commies to justify unlimited budgets, spying powers, new and better military toys etc.. a new enemy was needed so they created one.. a nice war on terrorism, the patriot act, a hysterical and compliant media to keep the people afraid, propaganda Goebbels could only dream of.. the Manhattan Reichstag fire is a perfect description...

I'm pretty sure I agree with this.

If this is true...that means WASH DC is ruled by psychopaths.
 

Z09 » 13 Aug 2023, 5:28 am » wrote: ↑

13 Aug 2023, 5:28 am

Yeah...
Where is the plane?

And when asked where these missiles came from you admitted you had no idea or "it's not my job"...

So 100 people gave testimony they saw a plane right before the Pentagon crash...
And you're asking where the marks are on the grass...???

Where did this cruise missile came from?
"I have no idea"

What happened to the plane?
"It was disassembled"
"It was crashed into the ocean"

And my favorite from Jantje
"It's at Area 51"

For God sakes. You are still hiding. No, it's not my job to provide evidence of anything because I am not the one making the claim. 

I can say that I had a huge hardon and it was my dick that made the hole in the pentagon. It wouldn't matter because that isn't the official narrative. The official narrative, that billions of people believe, is that a plane hit it. Therefore, the burden of proof is on you, not me. 

Now **** off with your questions, and start answering mine. God I hate cowards. I **** hate them.  

Kobia2 » 13 Aug 2023, 12:00 am » wrote: ↑

13 Aug 2023, 12:00 am

     1.  At the time of the 9/11 Attacks in 2001, the US Air Force had only 1 such bomb carrying Drone.... This was the early MQ-1 Predator, which could fire a Hellfire Missile.... The Drone was 26.8 ft long, with a 41.8 wingspan ----was powered by a Rotax Propeller Engine... It had a top speed of approximately 135 MPH....  Do you honestly believe people (including Pilots and Air Traffic Controllers) mistook this for a large commercial Airlines?


     

1. That just simply isn't true. The navy has been making drones, that could carry heavy bombs, since the late 70s. They were really upgrading their tech from 1995-2004. 


2. Maybe not crisis actors, but they were either propped there and lying, or mistaken. 

Rock » 12 Aug 2023, 11:03 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Aug 2023, 11:03 pm

All of these questions were addressed by Kobia. You just chose to ignore them.

They were addressed, but not adequately. 

Bruce » 12 Aug 2023, 11:02 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Aug 2023, 11:02 pm

They did work. The fire was put out on on the first floor. The MGM fire was out a long time before the heat compromised the steel support beams.  

And every other fire in a modern steel and glass tower all over the world has always turned out the same, the sprinklers and the fire trucks win and extinguish the fire quickly.

But even if the Deep State took down WTC7 they waited eight hours. During that eight hours the NYFD fought a losing battle with pumper trucks to fight a fire where the remains of WTC 1 and 2 made it so hot they couldn’t fight the fire from that side.

Nope. The sprinklers were not in all areas. 

The hotel was not equipped with a fire sprinkler system. The area with the most fire prevention was in the money counting area, not in individual rooms or on the casino floor.[33] The county's fire chief had been concerned that such a fire could occur, as older hotels built prior to 1979 were not required to have certain fire safety features.[24][34] Nevada governor Robert List said, "You can't force people to bring hotels up to codes that didn't exist when they were built."[24] For years after its opening, the resort had declined orders to install a second fire hose in one of its showrooms. As of June 1980, only 20 percent of fire safety violations – discovered two months earlier by inspectors – had been corrected.[35]

Vegas » 13 Aug 2023, 9:48 am » wrote: ↑

13 Aug 2023, 9:48 am

1. That just simply isn't true. The navy has been making drones, that could carry heavy bombs, since the late 70s. They were really upgrading their tech from 1995-2004. 

2. Maybe not crisis actors, but they were either propped there and lying, or mistaken.

         1.  All the sources I researched state the first use of an Armed Drone by our Military was 2001 in Afghanistan... Again, it is reported as being an M-1 Predator, used to carry Anti Tank Missiles... I could find nothing regarding the Navy having UAVs that could carry heavy bombs prior to 9/11 2001... Do you have a source?.. Lots of development was being worked on at the time, but nothing I could find regarding a Drone with the capabilities you are saying.

       
 

Kobia2 » 13 Aug 2023, 5:36 pm » wrote: ↑

13 Aug 2023, 5:36 pm

         1.  All the sources I researched state the first use of an Armed Drone by our Military was 2001 in Afghanistan... Again, it is reported as being an M-1 Predator, used to carry Anti Tank Missiles... I could find nothing regarding the Navy having UAVs that could carry heavy bombs prior to 9/11 2001... Do you have a source?.. Lots of development was being worked on at the time, but nothing I could find regarding a Drone with the capabilities you are saying.

       

There are actually few others, not just this one. This was around the time that our military was developing more advanced UAVs, from the earlyn 90s to early 2000s. 

Again, I am not saying that this is what happened. However, it could have. There are some problems with my theory, I agree. But it would explain a lot. Witnesses could easily mistaken this as an airplane. They are able to carry up to 2000 lbs of explosives. 

Mini- and micro-versions of UAVs were introduced in 1990, and the famous Predator drone was introduced in 2000. This was used in Afghanistan to launch missiles and in the search of Osama Bin Laden. 

https://interestingengineering.com/inno ... icles-uavs

Vegas » 13 Aug 2023, 5:41 pm » wrote: ↑

13 Aug 2023, 5:41 pm

There are actually few others, not just this one. This was around the time that our military was developing more advanced UAVs, from the earlyn 90s to early 2000s. 

Again, I am not saying that this is what happened. However, it could have. There are some problems with my theory, I agree. But it would explain a lot. Witnesses could easily mistaken this as an airplane. They are able to carry up to 2000 lbs of explosives. 

https://interestingengineering.com/inno ... icles-uavs

        Both of your sources reference what I had already referenced myself..... The first use of an Armed UAV was the MQ 1 Predator in 2001 (in Afghanistan) after 9/11...  Your source has a picture of the same Predator Drone I already posted.... Prior to this, the MQ 1 Predator was used for surveillance / reconnaissance ... It was modified to carry Hellfire MIssiles after 9/11 in 2001... There was nothing in use prior to this that carried "heavy bombs".

        So again, the MQ 1 Predator was a Single Propeller powered craft with a top speed of 135 MPH.... It was 26.8 feet long, with a wingspan of 41.8 feet and weighed 1,131 lbs..

        A Boeing 757 is a Commercial Jet Aircraft with a top speed of 550 mph... It is 155 feet long, with a wingspan of 125 feet, and weighs 240,000 lbs.  

         I think there is a greater likelihood  of Maxine Waters being mistaken for a Playboy Playmate, than a Predator Drone being mistaken by anyone for an American Airlines Boeing 757...                    
       



 
 

Jantje_Smit » 13 Aug 2023, 6:05 am » wrote: ↑

13 Aug 2023, 6:05 am

How shall I put this..

     

The greatest example in modern history of an alleged false flag attack, was solved by German police as quickly as Dallas police caught Oswald.

The communist arsonist was caught red handed.  He freely confessed.  Three other innocent communists were found not guilty.


After defeat  Germany wanted to blame the rise of evil on Nazi trickery when the rise of evil was supported by the people of Germany, from the bottom to the top.

 The Reichstag Fire was the work of one Dutch communist.




 

Z09 » 14 Aug 2023, 5:08 am » wrote: ↑

14 Aug 2023, 5:08 am

You want evidence of a plane?


 

That's what we have been asking for the past 70 **** pages. You finally get it. 

We already went over the wreckage and witnesses. Debunked. What else do you got? 

Vegas » 14 Aug 2023, 9:04 am » wrote: ↑

14 Aug 2023, 9:04 am

That's what we have been asking for the past 70 **** pages. You finally get it. 

We already went over the wreckage and witnesses. Debunked. What else do you got? 

Back to the title of this thread, you made up your mind to believe nobody can understand evolving while evolving here in plain sight demanding everyone mind a social consensus of anything else is possible, ignoring the one thing universally not possible.

Life never exceeds adapting as timed apart occupying space specifically here replacing one's own 62 people since conceived with equal oppportunity to conceive your own replacement forward or not same as that were their previous 5 generation gap people making up each DNA unique lifetime present and 8 billion residents of this species alone.

So are you ever going to be honest about how your personal brain navigates between all things equally sharing the moment you do on a universal scale down to your time adopting ideas now isn't eternity?

Rhetorical question, not syllogism.

Nostradamus'omh » 14 Aug 2023, 9:14 am » wrote: ↑

14 Aug 2023, 9:14 am

Bad to the title of this thread, you made up your mind to believe nobody can understand evolving while evolving here in plain sight demanding everyone mind a social consensus of anything else is possible, ignoring the one thing universally not possible.

Life never exceeds adapting as timed apart occupying space specifically here replacing one's own 62 people that were their previous 5 generation gap people making up each DNA unique lifetime present and 8 billion residents of this species alone.

So are you ever going to be honest about how your personal brain navigates between all things equally sharing the moment you do on a universal scale down to your time adopting ideas now isn't eternity?

Rhetorical question, not syllogism.

Let's try this again. Please insert my penis into your mouth. 

Vegas » 14 Aug 2023, 9:16 am » wrote: ↑

14 Aug 2023, 9:16 am

Let's try this again. Please insert my penis into your mouth. 

I won't, don't do things like that, but obviously you seek those that will.

Z09 » 14 Aug 2023, 9:35 am » wrote: ↑

14 Aug 2023, 9:35 am

We showed you photos, witness statements and debris...

We want evidence of missile

You have none

We already debunked those photos and debris. No evidence that it was at the pentagon. It could have been anywhere. How many times do we need to say the same damn thing?

You want? LOL! We don't owe you anything. The official claim, that is accepted by billions of people, and every government ion the world, is that a plane hit it. Our opinion about what happened is irrelevant. Your claim, your job to prove it. 

1. Z09 » 14 Aug 2023, 9:49 am » wrote: ↑

14 Aug 2023, 9:49 am

You want evidence of a plane?

There's plenty...
We have a missing plane...
We have 100 witnesses saying they saw a plane flying low over head right before the crash..
We have footage and debris at the crime scene
We have phone calls from the plane to family members

But none of this is "credible" to you....

You can't produce anyone that said they saw a missile that day

1. Probably shot down in the ocean
2. Testimonies, not physical evidence. 
3. Already addressed that 500 **** God Damn times. 
4. Testimonies. No evidence. 

Because it's all testimonies, not evidence. 

Because that is not my job. How many **** times? 


Prediction
1. You will continue to copy/paste the same debunked ****. 

Z09 » 14 Aug 2023, 9:55 am » wrote: ↑

14 Aug 2023, 9:55 am

The plane..
"probably shot down in the ocean"

Any evidence of that?
And the bodies...
How did they end up at the Pentagon if the plane was shot down in the ocean?

Oh wait..!!
The people never existed

So a hundred people could be lying about seeing a plane why can't you produce just ONE that says it was a missile..?

Where is the plane Z09? I already addressed the pics crap. 

Z09 » 14 Aug 2023, 9:53 am » wrote: ↑

14 Aug 2023, 9:53 am

Debunked?

Yes.