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Published July 22, 2023 10:02am EDT

Biden  admin cracks down on another popular home appliance'

“These  rules are almost always bad for consumers,' energy expert told Fox News Digital


 By Thomas Catenacci | Fox News

The Biden administration unveiled a regulatory proposal late Friday targeting water heaters, the latest in a string of energy efficiency actions cracking down on home appliances.The Department of Energy (DOE) said its proposal would ultimately "accelerate deployment" of electric heat pump water heaters, save Americans billions of dollars and vastly reduce carbon emissions.

If finalized, the proposed standards would force less energy efficient, but cheaper, water heaters off the market."Today’s actions — together with our industry partners and stakeholders — improve outdated efficiency standards for common household appliances, which is essential to slashing utility bills for American families and cutting harmful carbon emissions," Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm said in a statement.

 "This proposal reinforces the trajectory of consumer savings that forms the key pillar of Bidenomics and builds on the unprecedented actions already taken by this Administration to lower energy costs for working families across the nation," she continued.——

I own and maintain eight  hot water heaters, one at home and five in rentals, and two in campers.

Let me assure you, there is no pride of ownership associated with owning a damned hot water heater.

But my wife likes a gas hot water heater.  The reason is quick recovery.  Electrics are better in every way you’d measure better except a gas hot water heater fires up and you can hear it heating up that water, and fast.

If I can outlive the thousand dollar gas hot water heater my wife insisted we buy last year to replace a sick and tired 19 year old gas hot water heater I’ll be even more glad I voted for old Brandon.

When I was a Republican, and even more so today as a  Democrat I’ve believed regulations like this one Uncle Joe’s regulatory agency came up with serve my interests and those of the entire nation.
 
Without government regulations on hot water heaters all the makers would be in a race to see who could sell the cheapest and crappiest hot water heaters they could contract to have made in China.

With wise regulations the hot water heaters will be usually made in North America and work for decades until a newer and better one replaces it.

Maybe in twenty years she’ll let me buy an electric home hot water heater. 

 
 

First fireplaces dish washers now this? Cmon man

BuckNaked » 23 Jul 2023, 6:33 am » wrote: ↑

23 Jul 2023, 6:33 am

First fireplaces dish washers now this? Cmon man

and
washing machines- heat sources- stoves and dont for get lightbulbs.
yep
Come on man.

 

Bruce » 23 Jul 2023, 12:24 am » wrote: ↑

23 Jul 2023, 12:24 am

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden- ... -appliance

REGULATION

Thanks for the cannon-fodder for this next election cycle.  Nobody wants your Democrat-***-licking water heaters.
 
 

BuckNaked » 23 Jul 2023, 6:33 am » wrote: ↑

23 Jul 2023, 6:33 am

First fireplaces dish washers now this? Cmon man

Do you own an Energy Star wood stove?

I own two, in rental homes.

When I put the first one in, my renter called complaining the house was too hot.

After a few tries she learned the problem was not to use but just a little bit of firewood.

They seriously, don’t put out as much smoke than a cigarette.

Thanks, Obama.

Skans » 24 Jul 2023, 11:12 am » wrote: ↑

24 Jul 2023, 11:12 am

Thanks for the cannon-fodder for this next election cycle.  Nobody wants your Democrat-***-licking water heaters.

You can buy an inductive heat 40 gallon electric hot water heater today for $400, and it’s a most excellent bitch.  Cheaper than gas, no maintenance, no pilot lights, works like a crowbar, if it breaks replace the $10 element.  

But, the ones Brandon will put in every basement are four times better.


 

Bruce » 24 Jul 2023, 11:58 am » wrote: ↑

24 Jul 2023, 11:58 am

You can buy an inductive heat 40 gallon electric hot water heater today for $400, and it’s a most excellent bitch.  Cheaper than gas, no maintenance, no pilot lights, works like a crowbar, if it breaks replace the $10 element.  

But, the ones Brandon will put in every basement are four times better.

My place came with two top of the line electric water heaters.  I just hope they won't need replacing in the next 30 years. Of course, I'm sure they will - all water heaters eventually go bad. .
 

Skans » 24 Jul 2023, 12:23 pm » wrote: ↑

24 Jul 2023, 12:23 pm

My place came with two top of the line electric water heaters.  I just hope they won't need replacing in the next 30 years. Of course, I'm sure they will - all water heaters eventually go bad. .

The latest today Skans- is gasoline- powered generators.!!! gonna be outlawed?
???....  Point always has been-To have power when the electricity goes off? WTF WTF?
ARE THESE IDIOTS INSANE' I will by 5 and get rich.
so when a hurricane hits and the power is knocked out... Don't worry about it. Just plug your generator into the grid THAT is down.. LOL

I'm seriously thinking of buying an old fashioned wood stove? and installing it in my living room. yuk. i have rugs.

my wood furnace does heat- but without electricity- the fans don't work. so the heat rises slow! Up thru the duck work!
Some times in the winter- we sit here with no power for 4 days! 20 below.

I hate to do that- because wood stoves like that are dirty. wood chips and sparks fly.
But in our cold climate- it may be life or death

its very sad that I have come to the point that I need to do these things - or even think about dying!!! from the extreme cold
because out gubmint has become SO IGNORANT!
 
 
 

sootedupCyndi » 24 Jul 2023, 12:29 pm » wrote: ↑

24 Jul 2023, 12:29 pm

The latest today Skans- is gasoline- powered generators.!!! gonna be outlawed?
is  not the point of one is???.... To have power when the electricity goes off? WTF WTF?
ARE THESE IDIOTS INSANE' i will by 5 and get rich.
so when a hurricane hits and the power is knocked out... dont worry about it. just plug in to the grid.. LOL

I keep my gas powered generator new-in-box that won't be opened unless and until I need it.   But, I really do need to pay that electrician to come out and install a generator panel and convert an old RV hookup to a generator hook-up.  When I get a round tuit.  
 
 

Skans » 24 Jul 2023, 12:32 pm » wrote: ↑

24 Jul 2023, 12:32 pm

I keep my gas powered generator new-in-box that won't be opened unless and until I need it.   But, I really do need to pay that electrician to come out and install a generator panel and convert an old RV hookup to a generator hook-up.  When I get a round tuit.

We did that. We were starting the old one every two weeks... running it for a check. perfecto-

All of a sudden it wouldn't start_ big storm coming.

I never seen a man fly outta this house like my buddy!

He went down and bought a new one cost 900 bucks. it got delivered- Oh noes- the plugs were different.

I sat here 4 days... and thought I was freezing to death... Got really got sick.
two feet of snow- couldnt get out.

The first day we could- We went to town and bought an old fashioned kerosene heater. storm in all cost 1300 bucks!
MY new one will not Start! GENERAC!
take yours out- get an electrician to convert the plugs over -and try the DAMN thing!
 

Bruce » 24 Jul 2023, 11:49 am » wrote: ↑

24 Jul 2023, 11:49 am

Do you own an Energy Star wood stove?

I own two, in rental homes.

When I put the first one in, my renter called complaining the house was too hot.

After a few tries she learned the problem was not to use but just a little bit of firewood.

They seriously, don’t put out as much smoke than a cigarette.

Thanks, Obama.

I do not.   Thanks Barry!

sootedupCyndi » 24 Jul 2023, 12:29 pm » wrote: ↑

24 Jul 2023, 12:29 pm

The latest today Skans- is gasoline- powered generators.!!! gonna be outlawed?
???....  Point always has been-To have power when the electricity goes off? WTF WTF?
ARE THESE IDIOTS INSANE' I will by 5 and get rich.
so when a hurricane hits and the power is knocked out... Don't worry about it. Just plug your generator into the grid THAT is down.. LOL

I'm seriously thinking of buying an old fashioned wood stove? and installing it in my living room. yuk. i have rugs.

my wood furnace does heat- but without electricity- the fans don't work. so the heat rises slow! Up thru the duck work!
Some times in the winter- we sit here with no power for 4 days! 20 below.

I hate to do that- because wood stoves like that are dirty. wood chips and sparks fly.
But in our cold climate- it may be life or death

its very sad that I have come to the point that I need to do these things - or even think about dying!!! from the extreme cold
because out gubmint has become SO IGNORANT!

I grew up with central propane heat  with a wood stove backup.  We burned three cords of wood every year.



There’s an Energy Star 2011 wood stove in that house today,  The renters use maybe a cord a year and they tell me the propane furnace hardly ever comes on.

You can still make your own wood stove out of barrels, and on Craigslist sometimes a fool might think a free old style stove is cheap.  If get a “gimme” wood stove it costs more in a year or two for wood than a good new one costs.

All the regulatory rule makers are people like us.  They all buy the gadgets they regulate.

In this old sin cussed world a new Cadillac always costs more than a new Chevy.  And with wise government  regulation a ten year old Cadillac sells for a fraction of the price of a five year old Chevy.

I quit cussing gubbermint regulations when I bought my first new car in 1986, and I was a stone cold wicked Republican then.  My new 1986 Mercury Cougar was so much better than my 1980 Cougar there was just no comparison.

Thank you, Ronald Reagan.




 

sootedupCyndi » 24 Jul 2023, 12:57 pm » wrote: ↑

24 Jul 2023, 12:57 pm

We did that. We were starting the old one every two weeks... running it for a check. perfecto-

All of a sudden it wouldn't start_ big storm coming.

I never seen a man fly outta this house like my buddy!

He went down and bought a new one cost 900 bucks. it got delivered- Oh noes- the plugs were different.

I sat here 4 days... and thought I was freezing to death... Got really got sick.
two feet of snow- couldnt get out.

The first day we could- We went to town and bought an old fashioned kerosene heater. storm in all cost 1300 bucks!
MY new one will not Start! GENERAC!
take yours out- get an electrician to convert the plugs over -and try the DAMN thing!

I already talked to an electrician.  Going to be $1,000 just for the generator panel and something like $300 to convert an RV plug to a generator feed.   I don't live in Maine, so ...... when I get a round tuit.  (don't give my wife one of these!!!)  

Skans » 24 Jul 2023, 2:28 pm » wrote: ↑

24 Jul 2023, 2:28 pm

I already talked to an electrician.  Going to be $1,000 just for the generator panel and something like $300 to convert an RV plug to a generator feed.   I don't live in Maine, so ...... when I get a round tuit.  (don't give my wife one of these!!!)

DO not let any grass grow under your feets? they all are floating on the news
rolling blackouts will save energy! DO IT NOW! these folks are sick!
 

sootedupCyndi » 24 Jul 2023, 3:07 pm » wrote: ↑

24 Jul 2023, 3:07 pm

DO not let any grass grow under your feets? they all are floating on the news
rolling blackouts will save energy! DO IT NOW! these folks are sick!

You do realize that on some glad morning, some day, the dad blasted gubbermint will issue regulations where every new construction home must have a Tesla plug.

They’ll exempt the Amish, as they usually do.

The day after that, you’ll be able to plug in an EV to your house when the grid fails.

And every generator will have a Tesla plug, too.

Bruce » 23 Jul 2023, 12:24 am » wrote: ↑

23 Jul 2023, 12:24 am

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Biden  admin cracks down on another popular home appliance'

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In the mean time 136 people were shot in Chicago's Hood, homelessness continues to grow and more drugs than ever are crossing the border.

MackTheFinger » 26 Jul 2023, 9:42 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Jul 2023, 9:42 pm

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In the mean time 136 people were shot in Chicago's Hood, homelessness continues to grow and more drugs than ever are crossing the border.

Yep.  Old Brandon can’t be everywhere saving his lost sheep. Neither can Trump, nor the one after the next President.

What wise regulations do is make all our lives a little better, over time.
 

Bruce » 26 Jul 2023, 10:34 pm » wrote: ↑

26 Jul 2023, 10:34 pm

Yep.  Old Brandon can’t be everywhere saving his lost sheep. Neither can Trump, nor the one after the next President.

What wise regulations do is make all our lives a little better, over time.

please list a few of plug’s wise regulations 

BuckNaked » 27 Jul 2023, 5:49 am » wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2023, 5:49 am

please list a few of plug’s wise regulations

Most coming out today began under Trump.

The process takes years and years, and should.

Regulations that help all of us are subtle and are all like the ones Bush started that came in under Obama about wood stoves.

The new Energy Star wood stoves are so much better, the old wood stoves are not worth anything.

There’s a measure of people who love to whine, bitch, moan, piss, grown and belllyache about them there gubbermint regulations.

But under the Trump administration government regulations led to incandescent light bulbs being replaced with new LED bulbs that cost less to buy, use over four times less juice, and last over seven years,

Thanks Donald Trump! 

Bruce » 27 Jul 2023, 6:33 am » wrote: ↑

27 Jul 2023, 6:33 am

Most coming out today began under Trump.

The process takes years and years, and should.

Regulations that help all of us are subtle and are all like the ones Bush started that came in under Obama about wood stoves.

The new Energy Star wood stoves are so much better, the old wood stoves are not worth anything.

There’s a measure of people who love to whine, bitch, moan, piss, grown and belllyache about them there gubbermint regulations.

But under the Trump administration government regulations led to incandescent light bulbs being replaced with new LED bulbs that cost less to buy, use over four times less juice, and last over seven years,

Thanks Donald Trump!

not to mention taxes were lower,  we were energy independent, inflation was a lot lower, the border was more secure,   And he could answer questions coherently