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ConsRule » 01 Aug 2023, 3:58 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Aug 2023, 3:58 pm

Still haven't read the thread title, have you.  Read it carefully...in particular the seventh word.

all gov presidential  papers and documents classified 
or not classified belong to the national archives.
 

ConsRule » 01 Aug 2023, 3:58 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Aug 2023, 3:58 pm

Still haven't read the thread title, have you.  Read it carefully...in particular the seventh word.

Read Skans other words:

Trump was justified in keeping all of his business records from the time he was president and here's why:

Seems pretty clear he was talking about actual classified docs(from the time he was president), not some expense report from a hotel in bum **** Egypt that magically became classified.

What Trump didn’t understand is the National archives were (or might have been) the one and the only government agency in love with the clown.

They protect secrets.

If FDR was **** Lucy Mercer it’s still classified.
 

Fuelman » 01 Aug 2023, 4:59 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Aug 2023, 4:59 pm

Read Skans other words:


 

And read my actual words in this thread.  I was very clear with my thoughts.

Is every liberal like you and Bruce...world class, dick breath idiots?
 

ConsRule » 01 Aug 2023, 6:51 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Aug 2023, 6:51 pm

And read my actual words in this thread.  I was very clear with my thoughts.

Is every liberal like you and Bruce...world class, dick breath idiots?

When Presidents get defeated or term out the National Archives becomes their one and only friend in the government.

Americans love ex presidents.  We name streets and libraries and courthouses and even war ships and put them on our currency.
 
Trump is such a dumb bastard not to welcome their help.

They’ll let him keep all his own ****.  And the government stuff goes into the holy of holies where little kids would see Trump’s name on documents a hundred years after he died.


 

TRUMP is going down no matter what.......... a man that rips off his constituents pretending to be a candidate and blows $100 million campaign dollars seeking the right to commit crime is off balance.

I say he should be locked up because he is a flight risk and because he is putting a lot people in jeopardy flashing national security documents around..............

Lock him up and put a sock in his mouth ..........

Oh and BTW there is no hard evidence Joe Biden committed crimes with his son .......... Hunter got his *** in a jam all on his own. Yes he has been investigated. No doubt Joe and his sweetie are embarrassed.

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jerrab » 01 Aug 2023, 4:54 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Aug 2023, 4:54 pm

if you took the company's records and documents they would swear a warrant for your arrest.

Again, 1) you did not answer the question and 2) you deflected.  I defined documents to be those created by the employee while he was working for the company.  Not documents that had nothing to do with his work there.
 

Skans » 01 Aug 2023, 7:31 am » wrote: ↑

01 Aug 2023, 7:31 am

The answer to this question is "Yes".  Trump was justified in keeping all of his business records from the time he was president and here's why:

• Trump was falsely accused of doing illegal activity which he never engaged in either during his campaign or while he was president.  The Democrats were out to get Trump using the legal system to do it.  Trump needed to preserve the evidence of what was happening and to prove his innocence.
• During Trump's Presidency, the Democrats launched numerous investigations and impeachments against Trump.  Trump was justified in keeping any records that were remotely related to what the Democrats had been doing.
• Now there is proof that Joe Biden and Hunter Biden conspired together to extort foreign governments to pay Biden bribes for political favors. This is the same thing Biden's henchmen falsely accused Trump of doing.  Trump needs these records to prove his innocence and show who was really behind the illegal activities.
• Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton and the Democrats have a long history of destroying evidence.  Trump was wise to preserve evidence to help prove his innocence and the innocence of those who served America during his administration.
• Joe Biden has a long history of extorting bureaucrats to intervene on his behalf in various criminal investigations.  Examples:
  • Joe Biden got the IRS to investigate Jill's former Husband as retaliation
  • Joe Biden got the prosecutor looking into Hunter Biden's corrupt company, Burisma, fired and "off the case".
  • Joe Biden got the DOJ and the FBI to cover-up Hunter Biden's illegal activities - including spreading false facts about the laptop not being Hunter's
  • Joe Biden cause the FBI to pressure social media and media not to run stories about the Hunter Biden Laptop
  • Joe Biden got the IRS not to prosecute Hunter Biden for tax evasion
  • Joe Biden caused numerous false investigations of Trump for political gain
  • Joe Biden may have been involved in the murder of Jeffery Epstein
  • Joe Biden falsely accused the man driving the truck that was involved in the accident with his wife of being drunk - proven false.
• Merrick Garland has proven to be a corrupt lawyer, corrupt trial judge, corrupt appellate judge and corrupt U.S. Attorney General.  Trump would have been foolish to leave evidence needed to prove his innocence in the illegal onslaught of judicial actions in the hands of Democrat Evidence Destroyer and Corrupt Justice Obstructor Merrick Garland.

Some say Trump is a fool. Far from it. Trump's efforts taken to preserve the real evidence of all of the corrupt dealings the Democrats were up to during the elections and his administration was actually both wise and gallant on his part. 
 
 

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Skans » 02 Aug 2023, 7:24 am » wrote: ↑

02 Aug 2023, 7:24 am

Again, 1) you did not answer the question and 2) you deflected.  I defined documents to be those created by the employee while he was working for the company.  Not documents that had nothing to do with his work there.

The National Archives would have gladly sent a team to help Trump sort those out.

All of the reason Trump got charged in the documents case is he refused to cooperate with what he thought was part of the “deep state”.

Let’s say one box had correspondence about Stormy Daniels mixed in with classified documents.

They’d never betray his secrets.

The USA is a not a personal business thus know one has a right to take it home nor screw the taxpayers. Obviously too many elected officials disagree with this.

Send Trump and his law breaking pals to prison.

In 2024 never vote republican and begin exercising voter imposed term limits by sending a number of democrats out to pasture and bring in new ones who are yet tainted with status quo business as usual.

Trump supporters are on a large spectrum

On the far right are guys like the Q Anon Shaman and the other crazies that stormed the Capitol.

And the vast majority are everyday citizens who watch nothing but Fox News and other right wing media. Other than supporting Donald Trump they are ordinary folks like the majority of Americans.

Those Trump lovers, see that nuclear secrets are always classified.

What they don’t understand is why their hero can’t sort out his personal stuff.

The answer is the babbling clown could have.

He intentionally refused to cooperate, and then tried to destroy evidence.

He likely wanted to make his grandchildren rich selling them.

What other motive makes any sense?

What makes it all so other worldly insane is the Archives had copies of the documents Mike Pence dutifully turned over.

That’s how they caught Trump.

Skans » 02 Aug 2023, 7:24 am » wrote: ↑

02 Aug 2023, 7:24 am

Again, 1) you did not answer the question and 2) you deflected.  I defined documents to be those created by the employee while he was working for the company.  Not documents that had nothing to do with his work there.

the documents he created for the company would remain with the company.

sales reports, billing information, client lists with phone numbers, bills paid, future plans, etc all company property
 

jerrab » 01 Aug 2023, 4:56 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Aug 2023, 4:56 pm

all gov presidential  papers and documents classified 
or not classified belong to the national archives.

yep .......

jerrab » 02 Aug 2023, 8:44 am » wrote: ↑

02 Aug 2023, 8:44 am

the documents he created for the company would remain with the company.

 

Why, just because you said so???  LOL - some law.  NAME THE LAW!!!  NAME THE LAW!!!  NAME THE LAW!!!

sales reports, billing information, client lists with phone numbers, bills paid, future plans, etc all company property

Again, says who - you?   NAME THE LAW!!!
 

Bruce » 01 Aug 2023, 7:38 am » wrote: ↑

01 Aug 2023, 7:38 am

Trump should not be above the law.

And here is why.

When a man who wears a badge and a gun comes up to you, and asks you to return government property that isn’t yours and belongs to the government, you say yes, sir, here it is, I’m very sorry.

Our parents all taught us that.

If Trump was a poor man they’d have filled him so full of lead they’d have had to melt him down to bury him.

Cooperate with law enforcement.

No man makes his own laws.

  Normalization of legal prosecution from the UN corporation-monarchy with the information then being passed out all over the world. If a  foreign corporation group monarchy associate can question and prosecute a former USA president they can also come in and prosecute your own individual person/persons without any sane reasons.

Should Vice Pres Pence and Former Vice Pres Biden(when the infraction occurred) received some form of discipline for retaining documents?

Yes

Bottom line: Trump keeps flipping investigative agencies the bird and lies and lies and lies and lies, threatens and insults government officials on record and all over the millions of screens world wide.

Committing crimes is criminal activity ........ = stupidity.

razoo » 02 Aug 2023, 8:51 am » wrote: ↑

02 Aug 2023, 8:51 am

Should Vice Pres Pence and Former Vice Pres Biden(when the infraction occurred) received some form of discipline for retaining documents?

Yes

Hell No!

Mike Pence was so worried be drove all night from Indiana to return the ones he found.

 

Skans » 02 Aug 2023, 8:47 am » wrote: ↑

02 Aug 2023, 8:47 am

Why, just because you said so???  LOL - some law.  NAME THE LAW!!!  NAME THE LAW!!!  NAME THE LAW!!!

Again, says who - you?   NAME THE LAW!!!

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https://www.cio.com/article/282876/care ... %20Heimerl.

Jon Heimerl, formerly director of strategic security for Solutionary, a provider of information security services, and now manager of the threat intelligence team at NTT security, says departing employees can get in big trouble if they take corporate information or physical assets without their employer’s permission. Depending on what the employee takes, an employer could sue the employee or press formal theft charges with the police.
 

Skans » 02 Aug 2023, 8:47 am » wrote: ↑

02 Aug 2023, 8:47 am

Why, just because you said so???  LOL - some law.  NAME THE LAW!!!  NAME THE LAW!!!  NAME THE LAW!!!

Again, says who - you?   NAME THE LAW!!!

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https://www.wiley.law/newsletter-When-a ... -Materials

The first step when an employee may have taken documents is to conduct an immediate investigation directed by counsel. The company should lock down the employee’s computer, devices, and accounts in order to prevent further misappropriation of documents and preserve the electronic record. The company should then begin a forensic investigation to assess the scope of the employee’s misappropriation: what documents were taken, how were they accessed, what was done with them, and how can any gaps in data security protocols be closed to prevent further data exfiltration? If the activity involves a current employee, it may be necessary to place the employee on administrative leave pending the outcome of the investigation and any decisions on continued employment