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Skans » 02 Aug 2023, 8:47 am » wrote: ↑

02 Aug 2023, 8:47 am

Why, just because you said so???  LOL - some law.  NAME THE LAW!!!  NAME THE LAW!!!  NAME THE LAW!!!

Again, says who - you?   NAME THE LAW!!!

trump agreed to not take documents

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Can you take files when you leave a job?
If an employee takes such documents without the employer's permission, having previously signed an employment contract or severance agreement that specified that any documents or code developed for the company is company property, the employer could sue the employee for breach of contract, says Heimerl


 

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https://www.archives.gov/press/press-re ... 3/nr23-016

How much time do outgoing Presidents have to go through their papers to determine what to retain as personal documents?

The Presidential Records Act (PRA) requires the President to separate personal documents from Presidential records before leaving office. 44 U.S.C. 2203(b). The PRA makes clear that, upon the conclusion of the President’s term in office, NARA assumes responsibility for the custody, control, preservation of, and access to the records of a President. 44 U.S.C. 2203(g)(1). The PRA makes the legal status of Presidential records clear and unambiguous, providing that the United States reserves and retains “complete ownership, possession, and control of Presidential records.” 44 U.S.C. 2202. There is no history, practice, or provision in law for presidents to take official records with them when they leave office to sort through, such as for a two-year period as described in some reports. If a former President or Vice President finds Presidential records among personal materials, he or she is expected to contact NARA in a timely manner to secure the transfer of those Presidential records to NARA.
 
 

jerrab » 02 Aug 2023, 9:47 am » wrote: ↑

02 Aug 2023, 9:47 am

trump agreed to not take documents

Not part of the conversation.  Deflection.

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Can you take files when you leave a job?

 

If an employee takes such documents without the employer's permission, having previously signed an employment contract

OH, WAIT FOR IT........WAIT FOR IT..............THERE IT IS................."PREVIOUSLY SIGNED AN EMPLOYMENT CONTRACT" - adding new **** to the conversation.....i.e. not a law, but a contract. 
 

The "Law and Order" crowd supporting breaking the law. Priceless!

I hope Trump gets bitch slapped and marginalized to the point of no return

Skans » 02 Aug 2023, 10:03 am » wrote: ↑

02 Aug 2023, 10:03 am

Not part of the conversation.  Deflection.

OH, WAIT FOR IT........WAIT FOR IT..............THERE IT IS................."PREVIOUSLY SIGNED AN EMPLOYMENT CONTRACT" - adding new **** to the conversation.....i.e. not a law, but a contract.

he Presidential Records Act (PRA) requires the President to separate personal documents from Presidential records before leaving office. 44 U.S.C. 2203(b). The PRA makes clear that, upon the conclusion of the President’s term in office, NARA assumes responsibility for the custody, control, preservation of, and access to the records of a President. 44 U.S.C. 2203(g)(1). The PRA makes the legal status of Presidential records clear and unambiguous, providing that the United States reserves and retains “complete ownership, possession, and control of Presidential records.” 44 U.S.C. 2202. There is no history, practice, or provision in law for presidents to take official records with them when they leave office to sort through, such as for a two-year period as described in some reports. If a former President or Vice President finds Presidential records among personal materials, he or she is expected to contact NARA in a timely manner to secure the transfer of those Presidential records to NARA.

Fuelman » 02 Aug 2023, 10:13 am » wrote: ↑

02 Aug 2023, 10:13 am

The "Law and Order" crowd supporting breaking the law. Priceless!

I hope Trump gets bitch slapped and marginalized to the point of no return

they blew that cover when they had no problem with police getting beat up on 1/6
 

jerrab » 02 Aug 2023, 10:18 am » wrote: ↑

02 Aug 2023, 10:18 am

he Presidential Records Act (PRA) requires the President to separate personal documents from Presidential records before leaving office. 44 U.S.C. 2203(b). The PRA makes clear that, upon the conclusion of the President’s term in office, NARA assumes responsibility for the custody, control, preservation of, and access to the records of a President. 44 U.S.C. 2203(g)(1). The PRA makes the legal status of Presidential records clear and unambiguous, providing that the United States reserves and retains “complete ownership, possession, and control of Presidential records.” 44 U.S.C. 2202. There is no history, practice, or provision in law for presidents to take official records with them when they leave office to sort through, such as for a two-year period as described in some reports. If a former President or Vice President finds Presidential records among personal materials, he or she is expected to contact NARA in a timely manner to secure the transfer of those Presidential records to NARA.

ANOTHER, deflection.  We were just talking about company records, not presidential records.  There are all kinds of laws dealing with presidential records and classified documents - that's a given.  My point in my OP (not what we were then discussing) was, that given what Biden and his administration have been up to, Trump's retention of documents was justified so that he could defend himself.
 
 
 

Skans » 02 Aug 2023, 10:47 am » wrote: ↑

02 Aug 2023, 10:47 am

ANOTHER, deflection.  We were just talking about company records, not presidential records.  There are all kinds of laws dealing with presidential records and classified documents - that's a given.  My point in my OP (not what we were then discussing) was, that given what Biden and his administration have been up to, Trump's retention of documents was justified so that he could defend himself.

nope. you keep switching the topic.

Skans » 02 Aug 2023, 10:47 am » wrote: ↑

02 Aug 2023, 10:47 am

ANOTHER, deflection.  We were just talking about company records, not presidential records.  There are all kinds of laws dealing with presidential records and classified documents - that's a given.  My point in my OP (not what we were then discussing) was, that given what Biden and his administration have been up to, Trump's retention of documents was justified so that he could defend himself.

it is about his inolvement about the election and 1/6
 

Skans » 02 Aug 2023, 10:47 am » wrote: ↑

02 Aug 2023, 10:47 am

ANOTHER, deflection.  We were just talking about company records, not presidential records.  There are all kinds of laws dealing with presidential records and classified documents - that's a given.  My point in my OP (not what we were then discussing) was, that given what Biden and his administration have been up to, Trump's retention of documents was justified so that he could defend himself.

he could make copies and keep them about biden. what he kept he did not want no one to see them no how.
 
 

Skans » 02 Aug 2023, 10:47 am » wrote: ↑

02 Aug 2023, 10:47 am

ANOTHER, deflection.  We were just talking about company records, not presidential records.  There are all kinds of laws dealing with presidential records and classified documents - that's a given.  My point in my OP (not what we were then discussing) was, that given what Biden and his administration have been up to, Trump's retention of documents was justified so that he could defend himself.

Good.  We agree Trump cannot keep classified records.

But let’s use the most famous unclassified records Trump kept, his exchange of “love letters” with Kim Jung Un, and the official pardon of Roger Stone.

Why Trump wants those is blindingly obvious.

Today they are worth a small fortune but in years to come they’ll be worth unimaginable sums.

They aren’t classified.  They are in the public domain.


What Trump and his supporters don’t seem to grasp, maybe because they hate government so much, is those original documents are like relics of the One True Cross.  They belong to all of us, not the man who singed them.

Senators keep papers  like that.  They usually donate them to libraries like Biden did.

We hold all our Presidents in such high regard every paper they generate as the President (or VP) goes into the archives——

Which adore and love all Presidents!

The damned fool fought against the only agency that still adores his signature, and will preserve it forever.

 

razoo » 02 Aug 2023, 7:41 am » wrote: ↑

02 Aug 2023, 7:41 am

The USA is a not a personal business thus know one has a right to take it home nor screw the taxpayers. Obviously too many elected officials disagree with this.

Send Trump and his law breaking pals to prison.

In 2024 never vote republican and begin exercising voter imposed term limits by sending a number of democrats out to pasture and bring in new ones who are yet tainted with status quo business as usual.

TRUMP is going down no matter what.......... a man that rips off his constituents pretending to be a candidate and blows $100 million campaign dollars seeking the right to commit crime is off balance. 

I say he should be locked up because he is a flight risk and because he is putting a lot people in jeopardy flashing national security documents around..............

Lock him up and put a sock in his mouth ..........

Oh and BTW there is no hard evidence Joe Biden committed crimes with his son .......... Hunter got his *** in a jam all on his own. Yes he has been investigated. No doubt Joe and his sweetie are embarrassed.

Bruce » 02 Aug 2023, 9:02 am » wrote: ↑

02 Aug 2023, 9:02 am

Hell No!

Mike Pence was so worried be drove all night from Indiana to return the ones he found.

This does not excuse that the law was broken ....simple as that. Yes Biden and Pence should have received some type of discipline if anyone wants this crap to stop. They received a reprieve for cooperating I would say.
 

razoo » 02 Aug 2023, 5:57 pm » wrote: ↑

02 Aug 2023, 5:57 pm

TRUMP is going down no matter what.......... a man that rips off his constituents pretending to be a candidate and blows $100 million campaign dollars seeking the right to commit crime is off balance. 

I say he should be locked up because he is a flight risk and because he is putting a lot people in jeopardy flashing national security documents around..............

Lock him up and put a sock in his mouth ..........

Oh and BTW there is no hard evidence Joe Biden committed crimes with his son .......... Hunter got his *** in a jam all on his own. Yes he has been investigated. No doubt Joe and his sweetie are embarrassed.

Intellectual legalities aren't natural evolving results inclusive of all life ever existed in this atmosphere. Just this species working against itself inside ancestries out, each generation gap historically and current events.

Weaponized power of suggestion comes in the form of philosophies, reverse psychologies, by the metaphysical science of psychiatry. History recorded how corruption works training every great great grandchild to believe now never was eternity even with genetics eternally separating ancestors in plain sight.


Reasonable doubt is no body's ally among collective souls of "We the people are exempt from natural time displaced in plain sight one at a time here now.

That original sin being the final conflict this species eliminates itself pretending nobody knew life woks in series parallel energy flow sustaining a universally balanced moment compounding chromosomes never stay same form as their arriving fertilized cell appeared like never before or duplicated again in its unique cycle of time occupying space now.

Why does your mind ignore thermodynamic principles and only follows contextual principals promising things that never physically exists except for people protecting ideologies cradle to grave each generation gap an idea is used ancestrally ignoring now is eternity willingly or unwillingly.

What changes Tyranny between oppression and suppression of instinctive awareness? Each brain is as unique as its fertilized cell. Snowflakes to fingerprints only get timed apart when specifically occupying time now.

Trump had no right to take documents home much less keep any of them. Neither did others who were found to have some .................

Instead of cooperating Rump flipped everyone the bird while flapping his jaws at the same time = dumb ****.

razoo » 03 Aug 2023, 8:05 am » wrote: ↑

03 Aug 2023, 8:05 am

Trump had no right to take documents home much less keep any of them. Neither did others who were found to have some .................

Instead of cooperating Rump flipped everyone the bird while flapping his jaws at the same time = dumb ****.

Your inaccuracy of life is self evident to your time evolving spontaneously here as simultaneously everyone/everything else does also. Evolving doesn't create exceptions or exemptions from the natural process going forward now.

You pretend something else does and never has.

razoo » 03 Aug 2023, 8:05 am » wrote: ↑

03 Aug 2023, 8:05 am

Trump had no right to take documents home much less keep any of them. Neither did others who were found to have some .................

Instead of cooperating Rump flipped everyone the bird while flapping his jaws at the same time = dumb ****.

The National Archives has a website.

People like us, who see Trump as sort of the mob boss con artist cult leader that he is, have a difficult time understanding why that clown took his ordinary papers home instead of turning them over.

I don’t mean nuclear secrets, just the every day **** like signing stuff, that’s never classified.

The answer is Trump’s papers with his signature are extremely valuable now and in years to come his family would have had a gold mine of stuff to sell.

https://www.archives.gov/

https://www.archives.gov/research/recov ... hefts.html

It was simple grift.

Bruce » 01 Aug 2023, 7:38 am » wrote: ↑

01 Aug 2023, 7:38 am

Trump should not be above the law.

And here is why.

When a man who wears a badge and a gun comes up to you, and asks you to return government property that isn’t yours and belongs to the government, you say yes, sir, here it is, I’m very sorry.

Our parents all taught us that.

If Trump was a poor man they’d have filled him so full of lead they’d have had to melt him down to bury him.

Cooperate with law enforcement.

No man makes his own laws.

Blowhards should avoid chatrooms, yet here you are.

btw
We, as a nation, have a much more serious problem than a former president's box of papers.
You numbnuts seem to be giving it a pass each and every day: That is a future former president.

Bruce » 03 Aug 2023, 9:36 am » wrote: ↑

03 Aug 2023, 9:36 am

The National Archives has a website.

People like us, who see Trump as sort of the mob boss con artist cult leader that he is,

Are you limited to life as ancestrally displaced in plain sight or not within one species with many separate type of ancestral lineages due to geological conditions of living life before modern means of travel. I am talking since 12th century AD.

Mankind never circled the globe by boat before that. Mankind didn't travel beyond walking or animals carrying, pulling carts, wagons of cargo and people.

Mind over matter is a daydream mentality of imagining life beyond your personal time adapting in space as specifically here now. Poser of suggesting now isn't eternity is a negative positive mentalities won't tolerate by rule of law silencing anyone debunking any reality that governs ancestries as type cast people ordered to perform as stereotyped by law and order managing tomorrows today.

Change your mind and use your evolved fertilized cell as naturally navigating time when occupying space here. You might discover the errors compounding by social historical pretending now isn't eternity.

DeezerShoove » 03 Aug 2023, 9:45 am » wrote: ↑

03 Aug 2023, 9:45 am

Blowhards should avoid chatrooms, yet here you are.

btw
We, as a nation, have a much more serious problem than a former president's box of papers.
You numbnuts seem to be giving it a pass each and every day: That is a future former president.

We surely do have a worse problem than an old clown trying to steal papers he signed as President to make his grandchildren rich.

Trump could roll up the documents case in a deal for house arrest on his attempt to steal the 2020 election.