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"Massive Backfire In Trump Case - Jack Smith Facing Indictment"
"Massive Backfire In Trump Case - Jack Smith Facing Indictment"
By roadkill
3 Aug 2023 12:48 pm in No Holds Barred Political Forum
4 Aug 2023 12:19 am
this is hysterical. only if your name is trump you can lie?
4 Aug 2023 12:49 am
the trump team? lololol I saw eastman take the 5th 20 times in 5 minutes.ROG62 » 03 Aug 2023, 6:58 pm » wrote: ↑ Turley: Despite "Urban Legends" From Democrats, Trump Is Not Charged With Incitement, Insurrection, Seditious Conspiracy...
JONATHAN TURLEY: No. It's really approaching the urban legend status. Because he's not charged with incitement. He's not charged with insurrection. He's not charged with seditious conspiracy. He's not charged with all of those things the Democrats impeached him on the second time.
So they're really bigfooting the Constitution here. It's not there.
But the question is what is here? I have to tell you, this is thin soup in my view. They have a colossal Constitutional problem that they will have to overcome from the outset. They have to establish all of these lynchpins, that he not only believed the truth of the matter, that he understood he was lying, but then he played a criminal role in getting these other individuals to take the steps mentioned in the indictment. That is a very difficult case to prove.
I think part of the dynamic that we're seeing is that you can't just pursue a president from pillar to post across the country without people beginning to tune out.
This day would be called a life-changing experience for most people. For Donald Trump, it's called Thursday.
He is -- this is his third indictment. He's going to likely get a fourth indictment. And the real jury is likely the one that will be voting in 2024. I think we're already seeing how this is impacting them. I have to tell you, in this case, I should think that Trump would welcome aspects of this case. Precisely because of that issue, and also because he has these threshold legal questions that he should be able to get to the appellate courts fairly quickly.
So, Smith has to be careful what he's asking for. The Trump team might give it to him. It's unlikely he will get a trial put in front of the Florida trial, but they could help him out in moving these issues to the appellate court and asking them, is this the criminalization of disinformation? Are you about to criminalize false political speech?
Because in the past, the Supreme Court has been extremely skeptical of laws that attempt to do that.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video ... ition.html
4 Aug 2023 12:56 am
not covered under the 1rst admendment---
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lies likely to provoke public panic;-----
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telling your country is being stolen from you etc...
4 Aug 2023 1:36 am
Turley is a brilliant commentator with one large intellectual hole in his reasoning.ROG62 » 03 Aug 2023, 6:58 pm » wrote: ↑ Turley: Despite "Urban Legends" From Democrats, Trump Is Not Charged With Incitement, Insurrection, Seditious Conspiracy...
JONATHAN TURLEY: No. It's really approaching the urban legend status. Because he's not charged with incitement. He's not charged with insurrection. He's not charged with seditious conspiracy. He's not charged with all of those things the Democrats impeached him on the second time.
So they're really bigfooting the Constitution here. It's not there.
But the question is what is here? I have to tell you, this is thin soup in my view. They have a colossal Constitutional problem that they will have to overcome from the outset. They have to establish all of these lynchpins, that he not only believed the truth of the matter, that he understood he was lying, but then he played a criminal role in getting these other individuals to take the steps mentioned in the indictment. That is a very difficult case to prove.
I think part of the dynamic that we're seeing is that you can't just pursue a president from pillar to post across the country without people beginning to tune out.
This day would be called a life-changing experience for most people. For Donald Trump, it's called Thursday.
He is -- this is his third indictment. He's going to likely get a fourth indictment. And the real jury is likely the one that will be voting in 2024. I think we're already seeing how this is impacting them. I have to tell you, in this case, I should think that Trump would welcome aspects of this case. Precisely because of that issue, and also because he has these threshold legal questions that he should be able to get to the appellate courts fairly quickly.
So, Smith has to be careful what he's asking for. The Trump team might give it to him. It's unlikely he will get a trial put in front of the Florida trial, but they could help him out in moving these issues to the appellate court and asking them, is this the criminalization of disinformation? Are you about to criminalize false political speech?
Because in the past, the Supreme Court has been extremely skeptical of laws that attempt to do that.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video ... ition.html
Lorrie Vallow had a sincerely held belief her children were vampires. It was no defense to murder,
The mind of the defendant cannot create their own justification. Whether Trump actually believed his election stolen, or if he lied and said it was, isn’t the real issue.
The President is not a one man Supreme Court, or our republic is over.
Did one man attempt to overturn a constitutional election by conspiring to submit his own vote totals which were not official totals?
Can Biden do that, just on his own authority?
Or a President in 20 or 40 or 60 years?
He’ll get the max, and should be hung.
It was an attempted coup.
4 Aug 2023 2:07 am
Bruce » 04 Aug 2023, 1:36 am » wrote: ↑ Turley is a brilliant commentator with one large intellectual hole in his reasoning.
Lorrie Vallow had a sincerely held belief her children were vampires. It was no defense to murder,
The mind of the defendant cannot create their own justification. Whether Trump actually believed his election stolen, or if he lied and said it was, isn’t the real issue.
The President is not a one man Supreme Court, or our republic is over.
Did one man attempt to overturn a constitutional election by conspiring to submit his own vote totals which were not official totals?
Can Biden do that, just on his own authority?
Or a President in 20 or 40 or 60 years?
He’ll get the max, and should be hung.
It was an attempted coup.
Russian collusion hoax. Think about that while you're reading other people's minds and creating yer own reality.
4 Aug 2023 2:44 am
A trump hanging would be awesome!
I bet his head would pop off when the rope brings his fat *** up short.
POP!!!
I bet his head would pop off when the rope brings his fat *** up short.
POP!!!
4 Aug 2023 2:44 am
what charge is not true? he spent 3 years saying the election was stolen and the insurrection happened because of his words. and don't give me that bull he said to go peacefully well mr brilliant they did not do it and he knew they were so pissed of that if he did say be peaceful they would not listen because they were too pissed off by his words.
4 Aug 2023 5:44 am
“I know how you feel, but go home and go home in peace. I know you’re in pain. I know you’re hurt,” Trump said in a one minute video address released on his Twitter account.Bruce » 04 Aug 2023, 1:36 am » wrote: ↑ Turley is a brilliant commentator with one large intellectual hole in his reasoning.
Lorrie Vallow had a sincerely held belief her children were vampires. It was no defense to murder,
The mind of the defendant cannot create their own justification. Whether Trump actually believed his election stolen, or if he lied and said it was, isn’t the real issue.
The President is not a one man Supreme Court, or our republic is over.
Did one man attempt to overturn a constitutional election by conspiring to submit his own vote totals which were not official totals?
Can Biden do that, just on his own authority?
Or a President in 20 or 40 or 60 years?
He’ll get the max, and should be hung.
It was an attempted coup.
Trump also directly addressed the presidential election and continued to claim he lost to President-elect Joe Biden because of voter fraud.
“We had an election that was stolen from us. It was a landslide election, and everyone knows it, especially the other side. But you have to go home now. We have to have peace. We have to have law and order. We have to respect our great people in law and order. We don’t want anybody hurt,” he said.
https://nypost.com/2021/01/06/trump-rel ... o-go-home/
attempted coup my ***...
“Show me the man and I’ll find you the crime”
LAVRENTIY BERIA
4 Aug 2023 5:51 am
the hurdle...jerrab » 04 Aug 2023, 12:49 am » wrote: ↑ the trump team? lololol I saw eastman take the 5th 20 times in 5 minutes.
"They have a colossal Constitutional problem that they will have to overcome from the outset. They have to establish all of these lynchpins, that he not only believed the truth of the matter, that he understood he was lying, but then he played a criminal role in getting these other individuals to take the steps mentioned in the indictment. That is a very difficult case to prove. "
“Show me the man and I’ll find you the crime”
LAVRENTIY BERIA
4 Aug 2023 5:55 am
funny how LWNJs like bruce, kazoo et Al think the libtards on the hill like joe, lugosi, pencil neck, nadless and swallowell are so righteous in what they do...roadkill » 04 Aug 2023, 2:07 am » wrote: ↑ Russian collusion hoax. Think about that while you're reading other people's minds and creating yer own reality.
“Show me the man and I’ll find you the crime”
LAVRENTIY BERIA
4 Aug 2023 7:06 am
ROG62 » 04 Aug 2023, 5:55 am » wrote: ↑ funny how LWNJs like bruce, kazoo et Al think the libtards on the hill like joe, lugosi, pencil neck, nadless and swallowell are so righteous in what they do...
Because the leftists aren't consistent.
4 Aug 2023 7:14 am
Unless one honestly believes they were born in the wrong sexed body. We are entering new territory, where failure to recognize the sincerely held delusions of others is civilly and criminally actionable.Bruce » 04 Aug 2023, 1:36 am » wrote: ↑ Turley is a brilliant commentator with one large intellectual hole in his reasoning.
Lorrie Vallow had a sincerely held belief her children were vampires. It was no defense to murder,
The mind of the defendant cannot create their own justification. Whether Trump actually believed his election stolen, or if he lied and said it was, isn’t the real issue.
The President is not a one man Supreme Court, or our republic is over.
Did one man attempt to overturn a constitutional election by conspiring to submit his own vote totals which were not official totals?
Can Biden do that, just on his own authority?
Or a President in 20 or 40 or 60 years?
He’ll get the max, and should be hung.
It was an attempted coup.
4 Aug 2023 7:29 am
This will no doubt be entertaining to watch as things progress. All I could think of is this:
"I made it very clear that I work with the police and instructed them to do everything that they could to make sure that the protesters were able to exercise their right to free speech," Rawlings-Blake said. "It's a very delicate balancing act. Because while we try to make sure that they were protected from the cars and other things that were going on, we also gave those who wished to destroy space to do that as well. And we worked very hard to keep that balance and to put ourselves in the best position to de-escalate."
"I made it very clear that I work with the police and instructed them to do everything that they could to make sure that the protesters were able to exercise their right to free speech," Rawlings-Blake said. "It's a very delicate balancing act. Because while we try to make sure that they were protected from the cars and other things that were going on, we also gave those who wished to destroy space to do that as well. And we worked very hard to keep that balance and to put ourselves in the best position to de-escalate."
4 Aug 2023 7:33 am
Even the left wing WaPo called Biden a liar.ROG62 » 04 Aug 2023, 5:55 am » wrote: ↑ funny how LWNJs like bruce, kazoo et Al think the libtards on the hill like joe, lugosi, pencil neck, nadless and swallowell are so righteous in what they do...
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/St-Ph4I5K3M
4 Aug 2023 7:43 am
I don't care who you are...this here is funny.Majik » 03 Aug 2023, 5:13 pm » wrote: ↑ You have no evidence that Trump was wrong .....
The DC establishment refused to investigate .....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PJ8qVFNNKg
4 Aug 2023 7:45 am
"fight like hell and take your country back"?Skans » 03 Aug 2023, 2:41 pm » wrote: ↑ No. You can't yell something like "fire" inside a crowded theater to create a panic. You can make a speech that gets people emotionally charged - there is no prohibition against that. And, people are responsible for their own stupid actions. Trump very clearly and specifically said "peaceful and patriotic". He never told a soul to storm the capital. Nor did he conspire with others to tell people to do this.
But, you already know this. Democrats already know this. Jack Smith already knows this. That's why all of this, in light of the real crimes Joe Biden has committed is so crooked and corrupt.
How does one "fight like hell" and do so peacefully and patriotically?
4 Aug 2023 7:51 am
maineman » 04 Aug 2023, 7:45 am » wrote: ↑ "fight like hell and take your country back"?
How does one "fight like hell" and do so peacefully and patriotically?
Have you ever heard dems say they will fight for the American people while Antifa was burning down cities and killing people?
MainStain...I hope the Navy didn't let you hold a gun.
4 Aug 2023 8:05 am
I have never supported Antifa or their causes and I know of no Maine democrats who do.roadkill » 04 Aug 2023, 7:51 am » wrote: ↑ Have you ever heard dems say they will fight for the American people while Antifa was burning down cities and killing people?
MainStain...I hope the Navy didn't let you hold a gun.
Fghting FOR the American people is not the same as fighting to overturn a free and fair election.
And yes... I held lots of guns.. and fired lots of them as well. I have a rifle expert medal, and a pistol expert medal, I am an accomplished weapons officer who has excelled at NGFS with a 5"54, and I have signed for custody of large magazines filled with missiles and rockets, many of them with nuclear warheads and fired some of them, including the very first open ocean Harpoon warshot.
And in my private life, I continue to be a proud gun owner. Come on up and let me show you my collection.
4 Aug 2023 8:11 am
while you lionize the likes of Boebert, MTG, and Gohmert.ROG62 » 04 Aug 2023, 5:55 am » wrote: ↑ funny how LWNJs like bruce, kazoo et Al think the libtards on the hill like joe, lugosi, pencil neck, nadless and swallowell are so righteous in what they do...
4 Aug 2023 8:13 am
maineman » 04 Aug 2023, 8:05 am » wrote: ↑ I have never supported Antifa or their causes and I know of no Maine democrats who do.
Fghting FOR the American people is not the same as fighting to overturn a free and fair election.
And yes... I held lots of guns.. and fired lots of them as well. I have a rifle expert medal, and a pistol expert medal, I am an accomplished weapons officer who has excelled at NGFS with a 5"54, and I have signed for custody of large magazines filled with missiles and rockets, many of them with nuclear warheads and fired some of them, including the very first open ocean Harpoon warshot.
And in my private life, I continue to be a proud gun owner. Come on up and let me show you my collection.
Trump meant to fight politically...there was no violence on J6 until the dems refused to properly secure the area and Ray Epps and the Feds were in the crowd encouraging people to enter the Capital build...the DC police even gave the protester with the horns on his head a guided tour inside the building when they could have simply arrested him then. It was a planned entrapment which is against the law.
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