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NOTHING IS OFF LIMITS IN THE JAN 6TH TRUMP INDICTMENT TRIAL = we'll have to wait for the evidence
NOTHING IS OFF LIMITS IN THE JAN 6TH TRUMP INDICTMENT TRIAL = we'll have to wait for the evidence
By razoo
5 Aug 2023 6:01 pm in No Holds Barred Political Forum
6 Aug 2023 6:11 am
No such thing as a fake elector just as Trans men are not men. You have to embrace some pretty fruity beliefs to maintain your card carrying status.jerrab » 06 Aug 2023, 6:06 am » wrote: ↑ totally illegal
------------------------------------WASHINGTON (AP) — The role that fake slates of electors played in Donald Trump’s desperate effort to cling to power after his defeat in the 2020 election is at the center of a four-count indictment released against the former president Tuesday.The third criminal case into Trump details, among other charges, what prosecutors say was a massive and monthslong effort to “impair, obstruct, and defeat” the federal process for certifying the results of a presidential election, culminating in the attack on the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021.The 45-page indictment states that when Trump could not persuade state officials to illegally swing the election in his favor, he and his Republican allies began recruiting a slate of fake electors in seven battleground states — Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, New Mexico, Nevada, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin — to sign certificates falsely stating that he, not Democrat Joe Biden, had won their states.
https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump ... 3fdcd8fcce
6 Aug 2023 6:16 am
How much taxpayer money have the democrats wasted on trying to persecute Donald Trump? You jackasses have bankrupted the country in your relentless pursuit of pussiness.....from impeachment to lockdowns, you assholes spend money like drunken sailors.....money that's not your's. You're just a small cog in the gear work of the Democrat Swamp, a leech sucking the life blood out of a once great America. A little pissant, laughing his way thru a life of drug addiction and warped reasoning. Keep watching MSNBC, it's doing you a world of good.Squatchman » 05 Aug 2023, 10:24 pm » wrote: ↑ It's going to be fun to watch.
Trump's best defense is to say he was stupid and gullible for listening to his terrible advisors.
If he doesn't he admits to knowing there was no election fraud to begin with and that he was in on everything.
He's stuck between saying he's a ******* or admitting defeat.
Trump has been played like a fiddle by Jack Smith.
6 Aug 2023 6:26 am
Those certificates the fake “alternate electors” in seven states signed are as counterfeit as George Floyd’s 20 dollar bill.Neo » 06 Aug 2023, 5:59 am » wrote: ↑ Having republican electors selected isn't a crime. The election irregularities needed investigation.
The election was done, and over the day they were signed on December 14.
There’s not going to be any investigations of a closed election. Trump’s motives are not relevant. He’s cooked.
6 Aug 2023 6:28 am
6 Aug 2023 6:39 am
They never voted. Selecting electors "in case ****" isn't a crime.Bruce » 06 Aug 2023, 6:26 am » wrote: ↑ Those certificates the fake “alternate electors” in seven states signed are as counterfeit as George Floyd’s 20 dollar bill.
The election was done, and over the day they were signed on December 14.
There’s not going to be any investigations of a closed election. Trump’s motives are not relevant. He’s cooked.
6 Aug 2023 6:41 am
his ex lawers for are laughing their heads off because ignorance is not a legal defense and trump will sue his current lawyers eventually for bad adviceNeo » 06 Aug 2023, 6:11 am » wrote: ↑ No such thing as a fake elector just as Trans men are not men. You have to embrace some pretty fruity beliefs to maintain your card carrying status.
6 Aug 2023 6:47 am
You are one MORONIC PIECE OF ****, squatty!!Squatchman » 06 Aug 2023, 5:12 am » wrote: ↑ Trump's only defense is to say he was ignorant,gullible and stupid to believe the advisors that told him the election was stolen. Even after it had been shown it hadn't and he was told by others that weren't **** in the head.
Will he admit to being stupid?
. It'll be some fun to watch t.v. for sure.
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Did you know that there will be NO TV of this trial?? Seeing how TV IS NOT PERMITTED IN FEDERAL COURTROOMS!!
Sucks you are so **** STUPID you failed to realize that FACT which has been the case for DECADES!!
What a **** ******* you are.
6 Aug 2023 6:52 am
Dershowitz: Trump Indictment Beginning to ‘Look Like Banana Republic Land’
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2023/08 ... blic-land/
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2023/08 ... blic-land/
6 Aug 2023 6:58 am
I would send Joe Biden up for twenty years for trying exactly the same thing.Neo » 06 Aug 2023, 6:39 am » wrote: ↑ They never voted. Selecting electors "in case ****" isn't a crime.
Trump will listen to the blind fools that will ingest Lysol for him, before he listens to his own family and any real friends he may still have.
Seven counterfeit “alternate” electoral slates were presented to the National Archives, and all seven were rejected.
What happened to poor old George Floyd, when he presented his counterfeit twenty?
6 Aug 2023 7:05 am
eastman and the others are not going down for trump, he knew it was illegal and they have proofNeo » 06 Aug 2023, 6:39 am » wrote: ↑ They never voted. Selecting electors "in case ****" isn't a crime.
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the 45-page indictment states that when Trump could not persuade state officials to illegally swing the election in his favor, he and his Republican allies began recruiting a slate of fake electors in seven battleground states — Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, New Mexico, Nevada, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin — to sign certificates falsely stating that he, not Democrat Joe Biden, had won their states.
6 Aug 2023 8:07 am
Hate to tell you ****, but there is ZERO FEDERAL LAWS that call an alternative slate of electors being selected as criminal in intent. ANY State attempt to bring charges OTHERWISE will be summarily dismissed since the STATES only control the METHOD of selection (voting, legislature selects, or even by drawing straws), which is covered under the CONSTITUTIONAL PROVISIONS!! NO STATE LAW EXISTS REGARDING AN ALTERNATIVE SLATE OF ELECTORS AS BEING ILLEGAL!! Its what the CONGRESS RECOGNIZES AS VALID that matters.Bruce » 06 Aug 2023, 6:26 am » wrote: ↑ Those certificates the fake “alternate electors” in seven states signed are as counterfeit as George Floyd’s 20 dollar bill.
The election was done, and over the day they were signed on December 14.
There’s not going to be any investigations of a closed election. Trump’s motives are not relevant. He’s cooked.
6 Aug 2023 8:12 am
Trump investigations are run the same way elections are run.....it's nothing but scam, hoaxes and an attempt to rig.
6 Aug 2023 8:55 am
razoo » 06 Aug 2023, 12:21 am » wrote: ↑ Lock him up because he talks too much which impacts Our economy, our job market, Wall Street, our national security, our retail market and the list goes on .......
ALEC led him to the cliff .................. ALEC played him like a fiddle............
“Show me the man and I’ll find you the crime”
LAVRENTIY BERIA
6 Aug 2023 9:04 am
Yet another liberal Op-Ed?
<< yawn >>
6 Aug 2023 9:33 am
wait and see.....it could happen.Beekeeper » 06 Aug 2023, 6:47 am » wrote: ↑ You are one MORONIC PIECE OF ****, squatty!!
Did you know that there will be NO TV of this trial?? Seeing how TV IS NOT PERMITTED IN FEDERAL COURTROOMS!!
Sucks you are so **** STUPID you failed to realize that FACT which has been the case for DECADES!!
What a **** ******* you are.
Jan 6th was not approved in the constitution but the Fake Republican Anti America Fascist Party did it anyway
which may cause the GOP umbrella to become extinct!!!!!
6 Aug 2023 9:37 am
and Trump can call thousands of witnesses!razoo » 05 Aug 2023, 6:01 pm » wrote: ↑ First, we know that there will be a lot of witnesses.
A review of the indictment suggests that Smith will have to call 30 to 40 witnesses to substantiate everything in the wide-ranging indictment.
The indictment’s description of the “conspiracy to defraud the United States” includes tense confrontations in the Oval Office, phone calls to legislators in seven states, more than 60 lawsuits, attempts to corrupt the Department of Justice, lies to electors, and a final push by Trump on Jan. 6, 2021, to pressure his vice president not to certify Joe Biden’s victory.
Smith’s list of witnesses should read like a veritable who’s who of the Republican Party, and will likely include Mike Pence, U.S. congressmen, U.S. Department of Justice officials, White House lawyers and advisers, officials from several states, and at least some of the “fake” electors who signed election certifications even though their candidate lost the race.
Second, everything described in the indictment — everything, without exception — must be established by admissible evidence in the Washington, D.C., courtroom. Even the background information included in one of the indictment’s opening paragraphs, which describes how electoral votes are counted under federal law, will likely have to be explained to the jury by an expert witness.
The cross-examination of that witness, which could be relevant to Trump’s defense, may be lengthy. (On Thursday, Trump pleaded not guilty to all charges.) Indicted: MAGA violence becomes criminal evidence against Trump in coup case Smith and his team will endeavor to tell the story laid out in the indictment.
But, after the government’s opening statement, that story has to be told through live witness testimony or reliable documents (think emails and text messages).
In contrast, the House Jan. 6 committee, which had first crack at many of the witnesses, was not conducting a criminal trial and did not have to comply with the rules of evidence and criminal procedure. For purposes of those blockbuster public hearings, the committee was able to select and play relevant portions of videotaped depositions to illustrate key points.
Notably, the near-total boycott of the committee by House Republicans meant that witness testimony went unchallenged.
The Constitution affords criminal prosecutors no such luxuries. Government witnesses in Trump’s criminal trials will have to testify live. They will be subject to cross-examination; this is Trump’s right under the Sixth Amendment to confront the witnesses against him.
And, for reasons of efficiency, trial judges expect witnesses to testify in a single session about everything relevant to the trial.
That means Smith’s witnesses may be asked to testify about a number of events that may not flow chronologically in Smith’s presentation of the case.
The jury will have to sort all that out later, with the help of the government’s closing argument.
https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opi ... -rcna98069
boycott? the Republicans couldn't choose who was on the committee, so they decided it was already rigged.
6 Aug 2023 9:39 am
can you state the law that makes it illegal?jerrab » 06 Aug 2023, 7:05 am » wrote: ↑ eastman and the others are not going down for trump, he knew it was illegal and they have proof
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the 45-page indictment states that when Trump could not persuade state officials to illegally swing the election in his favor, he and his Republican allies began recruiting a slate of fake electors in seven battleground states — Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, New Mexico, Nevada, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin — to sign certificates falsely stating that he, not Democrat Joe Biden, had won their states.
6 Aug 2023 9:39 am
Hell, bozoo, you are even MORE STUPID than your boy squatty @Squatchman is!! Did he pay you to suck his cock or was that 100% your idea??razoo » 06 Aug 2023, 9:33 am » wrote: ↑ wait and see.....it could happen.
Jan 6th was not approved in the constitution but the Fake Republican Anti America Fascist Party did it anyway
which may cause the GOP umbrella to become extinct!!!!!
Can you video in federal court?
Photography, Recording & Electronic Devices.
Federal Rule of Criminal Procedure 53 bars photography and broadcasting in criminal proceedings. Broadcasting of proceedings is prohibited by policy of the Judicial Conference of the United States. This encompasses the use of all audio or video recording devices of any kind.
6 Aug 2023 9:45 am
CopyPasta detected. I'll happily argue with your argument - not someone elses.razoo » 05 Aug 2023, 6:01 pm » wrote: ↑ First, we know that there will be a lot of witnesses.
A review of the indictment suggests that Smith will have to call 30 to 40 witnesses to substantiate everything in the wide-ranging indictment.
The indictment’s description of the “conspiracy to defraud the United States” includes tense confrontations in the Oval Office, phone calls to legislators in seven states, more than 60 lawsuits, attempts to corrupt the Department of Justice, lies to electors, and a final push by Trump on Jan. 6, 2021, to pressure his vice president not to certify Joe Biden’s victory.
Smith’s list of witnesses should read like a veritable who’s who of the Republican Party, and will likely include Mike Pence, U.S. congressmen, U.S. Department of Justice officials, White House lawyers and advisers, officials from several states, and at least some of the “fake” electors who signed election certifications even though their candidate lost the race.
Second, everything described in the indictment — everything, without exception — must be established by admissible evidence in the Washington, D.C., courtroom. Even the background information included in one of the indictment’s opening paragraphs, which describes how electoral votes are counted under federal law, will likely have to be explained to the jury by an expert witness.
The cross-examination of that witness, which could be relevant to Trump’s defense, may be lengthy. (On Thursday, Trump pleaded not guilty to all charges.) Indicted: MAGA violence becomes criminal evidence against Trump in coup case Smith and his team will endeavor to tell the story laid out in the indictment.
But, after the government’s opening statement, that story has to be told through live witness testimony or reliable documents (think emails and text messages).
In contrast, the House Jan. 6 committee, which had first crack at many of the witnesses, was not conducting a criminal trial and did not have to comply with the rules of evidence and criminal procedure. For purposes of those blockbuster public hearings, the committee was able to select and play relevant portions of videotaped depositions to illustrate key points.
Notably, the near-total boycott of the committee by House Republicans meant that witness testimony went unchallenged.
The Constitution affords criminal prosecutors no such luxuries. Government witnesses in Trump’s criminal trials will have to testify live. They will be subject to cross-examination; this is Trump’s right under the Sixth Amendment to confront the witnesses against him.
And, for reasons of efficiency, trial judges expect witnesses to testify in a single session about everything relevant to the trial.
That means Smith’s witnesses may be asked to testify about a number of events that may not flow chronologically in Smith’s presentation of the case.
The jury will have to sort all that out later, with the help of the government’s closing argument.
https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opi ... -rcna98069
No, I'm not raking through history to 'provide links'. If you can't directly dispute a point, then question your own links.
6 Aug 2023 11:54 am
if you are referring to this...............................
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https://www.cardin.senate.gov/news/u-s- ... rocedures/
The measure would remove an 1845 law that could allow state legislatures to override the popular vote in their state by declaring a failed election, a term not defined in the law. The bill would instead allow states to move their presidential election date if needed following “extraordinary and catastrophic” events.
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the fake electors trump sent were not authorized by the states
https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump ... 3fdcd8fcce
------------------------------The third criminal case into Trump details, among other charges, what prosecutors say was a massive and monthslong effort to “impair, obstruct, and defeat” the federal process for certifying the results of a presidential election, culminating in the attack on the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021.The 45-page indictment states that when Trump could not persuade state officials to illegally swing the election in his favor, he and his Republican allies began recruiting a slate of fake electors in seven battleground states — Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, New Mexico, Nevada, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin — to sign certificates falsely stating that he, not Democrat Joe Biden, had won their states.
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