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ConsRule » 07 Aug 2023, 9:18 am » wrote: ↑

07 Aug 2023, 9:18 am

Our daughter used the IBR program when she first graduated with her Masters in Social Work, and continued using it until she became a nursing home administrator. When she applied for and was approved for IBR, she received both an email and a letter so stating. Anyone for which confirmation cannot be produced they have been continuously making payments for the required 20-25 years should not have their remaining debt forgiven. I completely support correcting prior record keeping deficiencies and forgiving those who did. The individual met all the mandated requirements for forgiveness and should not be punished because some career lackey didn't do their job correctly. Everyone else can pound sand and pay their debts.

is she single?

ConsRule » 07 Aug 2023, 12:59 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Aug 2023, 12:59 pm

90% of what I learned in college are things I never used.  Same for my son who is a CFO for a large company.  Same is true for a lot of "real" degree programs.  However, you cannot get a job in many professions without a college degree...and many of those require an advanced degree.

Would you prefer those people being forced to fend for themselves and have all of society (rather than only the elitist) turn their back on them?  Social work is an area I could never handle...far too often they encounter people who are at their rock bottom (admittedly often of their own accord) and/or deal with those who have been abused by others.  If I had to work in that field...I would probably end up killing someone, especially if they abused a baby.

You’ve hit on something I’ve discussed since I went to college in 1976, and after a year tried getting student aid.

There were mornings after my father died I woke up with frost on my bedroom window.  I’d get up and stoke the wood stove, and hope I could get the fire hot while my widowed mother put on those high heeled shoes that ruined her feet, to go teach at a public school.

Of evenings I’d watch her shave the bunions off her pretty feet in the kitchen.

We were ardent Republicans then, but ones with the wolf howling down on the creek.

When I applied for student aid in 1977, so I might not be such a burden on Mama, I stood in a line.

The students leaving the line were bitching about how little Jimmy Carter had given them, to go to college.

I hoped old Peanuts might give a hillbilly boy something.

At the end of the line, were two sharp financial aid officers. Smart as hell at their jobs.

When they saw my Scottish name and the town in the Ozarks I was from the very first question they asked me was, could I claim Indian ancestors.

I said I have two great grandmothers who were Osage Indians, but I’m not an Indian.

They said every kid that comes through here from Southwest Missouri whose family has long roots is part Osage.  You are turning down money you are entitled to claim.

I said if that meant checking the box I was an American Indian they could keep the money.

Then they asked how many parents I had living, and brothers and sisters, and I said me and my mother, is all.

The lady said I’m sure your mother earns less than $6,000 a year, then.  I replied my mother earns $800 a month teaching school, and I will not lie about it.

She said does she have any other income, and I replied rent from the 300 acre farm.  I’d have to call her to see how much.

She said is that farm worth less than $30,000, and I said ma’am that’s only a hundred dollars an acre and it’s worth two or three times that much, just the land, not counting two homes.

I went back to the dorm and called my mother, and said they don’t have any money for us, Mama.

I still own that farm today, plus another home my mother built.  I’m the poorest multi millionaire in Missouri.

But because I went on to college I earned more in one good year than my mother ever earned in all her life, teaching  school, and buying all those dresses and high heeled shoes, and cutting bunions off her feet.

So forgive me that I’m crazy over Elizabeth “Pochantas” Warren.

Carry me back to 1977 and I’d have been Chief Bruce if I could do it over.

I paid my student loans off with 7% interest so many years ago I forgot what they were.

But it saved selling the farm then.

God help me, not to hate Republicans.

I don’t hate them, but some days that’s hard not to.



 

WASH DC

*** and trannies

mostly prefer the school

of hard cocks

BuckNaked » 07 Aug 2023, 1:29 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Aug 2023, 1:29 pm

is she single and a preteen??

 

ConsRule » 07 Aug 2023, 12:59 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Aug 2023, 12:59 pm

90% of what I learned in college are things I never used. 

And here lies the most obvious problem...as to why it costs so much to acquire a marketable skill.

GHETTOBLASTER » 07 Aug 2023, 1:42 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Aug 2023, 1:42 pm

And here lies the most obvious problem...as to why it costs so much to acquire a marketable skill.

Why?  Because banks matter in a crony-capitalist country.
And you?  You dont mean jack **** other than as a debtor.  

Sumela » 07 Aug 2023, 1:39 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Aug 2023, 1:39 pm

WASH DC

*** and trannies

mostly prefer the school

of hard cocks

LoL WINK?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fR4HjTH_fTM
 
 
 

Sumela » 07 Aug 2023, 1:44 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Aug 2023, 1:44 pm

Why?  Because banks matter in a crony-capitalist country.
And you?  You dont mean jack **** other than as a debtor.

We never see any discussion about how  schools could offer low cost,  "NO FRILLS Curriculum" with all time and energy spent studying only what needs to be learned.
The rebuttal from the Libtard Camp when I have brought this up is always.."Well we feel the students would be missing out on [what we feel is] A WELL ROUNDED EDUCATION.
By "well rounded" what they really mean are worthless classes [**** like Anasazi Mythology, Gender Studies, Diversity 101] that are being taught by their equally worthless Libtard Cronies.
 
 

When it comes time for my kids to enter college, I will definitely attempt to steer them towards degree programs that have better employment prospects. If you are interested in music theory... take a few classes, read books on it, do online research, play an instrument on the side, etc. Does not mean that you have to get the degree and most likely all of the debt that comes with it. Also, if they are unsure about a major then take the community college route and that gives you time to firm up your interests and just to live a bit. At age 20.. I was not interested in Economics. After having done years of manual labor, my perspective changed.

GHETTOBLASTER » 07 Aug 2023, 2:10 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Aug 2023, 2:10 pm

We never see any discussion about how  schools could offer low cost,  "NO FRILLS Curriculum" with all time and energy spent studying only what needs to be learned.
The rebuttal from the Libtard Camp when I have brought this up is always.."Well we feel the students would be missing out on [what we feel is] A WELL ROUNDED EDUCATION.
By "well rounded" what they really mean are worthless classes [**** like Anasazi Mythology, Gender Studies, Diversity 101] that are being taught by their equally worthless Libtard Cronies.

Yup, all that is true.
The Crony Capitalists want to financialize education,
while Libs want education to be about indoctrination and dumbing down.
 

impartialobserver » 07 Aug 2023, 2:20 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Aug 2023, 2:20 pm

When it comes time for my kids to enter college, I will definitely attempt to steer them towards degree programs that have better employment prospects. If you are interested in music theory... take a few classes, read books on it, do online research, play an instrument on the side, etc. Does not mean that you have to get the degree and most likely all of the debt that comes with it. Also, if they are unsure about a major then take the community college route and that gives you time to firm up your interests and just to live a bit. At age 20.. I was not interested in Economics. After having done years of manual labor, my perspective changed.

I watched my mother on a bench at shopping malls countless times when I was young, lecturing some kid and the kids mother about sending that kid to college.

I’d walk up and she’d say there is my only child, and he’s borrowed all the money I can’t afford to give him at 7% interest and he’ll pay that off in no time after he graduates.

My mother was a Republican then but she didn’t die a Republican.

The last straw was one of her own former students asking her why since Barack Obama was born in Kenya, could he possibly become President,

She thought Obama being admitted to Columbia University was proof America is the best nation under the sun.
 

BuckNaked » 07 Aug 2023, 1:29 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Aug 2023, 1:29 pm

is she single?

What **** difference does that make?
 

ConsRule » 07 Aug 2023, 3:02 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Aug 2023, 3:02 pm

What **** difference does that make?

I may want to ax her out 

Sumela » 07 Aug 2023, 12:23 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Aug 2023, 12:23 pm

You appear to be smarter than to fall for the worship of grifting crony capitalists

  Thank you, thank you very much...
 
 

Bruce » 07 Aug 2023, 2:49 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Aug 2023, 2:49 pm

I watched my mother on a bench at shopping malls countless times when I was young, lecturing some kid and the kids mother about sending that kid to college.

I’d walk up and she’d say there is my only child, and he’s borrowed all the money I can’t afford to give him at 7% interest and he’ll pay that off in no time after he graduates.

My mother was a Republican then but she didn’t die a Republican.

The last straw was one of her own former students asking her why since Barack Obama was born in Kenya, could he possibly become President,

She thought Obama being admitted to Columbia University was proof America is the best nation under the sun.

^^^ so full of ****...
 

ROG62 » 07 Aug 2023, 7:09 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Aug 2023, 7:09 pm

^^^ so full of ****...

What I hate is forty years ago, Republicans were so decent, corny and square.

It wasn’t just Fox News that radicalized and ruined Republicans but the capper was the election of Barack Obama.

As a kid I’d heard black jokes in school, but Republicans just went wild saying nixxer right out in public, in front of women and children, after Obama.

Bruce » 07 Aug 2023, 12:41 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Aug 2023, 12:41 pm

Keep right on convincing that boy you are bending over a table and **** out of a Joe Biden loan forgiveness program he’s announced to his parents and all his family and friends he’s eligible for, it’s so we can pay off the 32 trillion dollar debt we can’t afford to help him out.

You might try kissing him, too.

Oh, and ask his girlfriend what she thinks about planned parenthood, while you are at it.

It’s a known fact young women who don’t like **** men don’t need any birth control or abortions.

Of she keeps her legs closed, why should she care about a abortions and planned parenthood and all that stuff?

I'm not **** anyone over bruce...they made the choices, signed on the dotted line and now they have to pull up their panties, act as responsible adults and pay their debts off...it's not **** rocket science...

and quit deflecting with your abortion ****...
 
 

ROG62 » 08 Aug 2023, 5:59 am » wrote: ↑

08 Aug 2023, 5:59 am

I'm not **** anyone over bruce...they made the choices, signed on the dotted line and now they have to pull up their panties, act as responsible adults and pay their debts off...it's not **** rocket science...

and quit deflecting with your abortion ****...

I carried a sign for Ronald Reagan in 1980.

I carried it for a corny, decent, square old man, and Uncle Joe reminds me a lot of Reagan.

Republicans in 1980 supported abortion as a way to reduce poverty and pay fewer welfare benefits.

We didn’t make up a single, solitary lie to tell bigots, racists, white nationalists,  Jew haters and Russian lovers they would have loved hearing.  

We loved to hear Ronnie tell us America was the shiny city on the hill and America’s last, best hope for all mankind.

And Reagan grew up with a Campbellite mother rocking his cradle.

He was the last Republican President who could listen to Tramp on the Street, and understand the meaning of the song.

https://youtu.be/Q1RcsX3ZU9g

These new Republicans are so incredibly nasty, hateful  and vile, you know?

 This nation has borrowed 32 trillion for the rich men who live in gilded towers and begrudge a young man who’s went off to college a few thousand dollars of student loan relief, that Ronald Reagan set up, in 1981

I didn’t qualify for a student loan until Ronald Reagan reformed the program.

Mama drove over to Hermitage with me to co sign or pledge the farm, and the Bank of Hermitage loaned me the money instead, on my signature alone, backed by Ronald Reagan.

Some days I can barely stand it, what became of the Republican Party. 

There was a day we hated Trumps and bigots and white nationalists and Russia lovers and Jew haters, and liked college boys, you know?
 
 

Bruce » 08 Aug 2023, 7:19 am » wrote: ↑

08 Aug 2023, 7:19 am

I carried a sign for Ronald Reagan in 1980.

I carried it for a corny, decent, square old man, and Uncle Joe reminds me a lot of Reagan.

Republicans in 1980 supported abortion as a way to reduce poverty and pay fewer welfare benefits.

We didn’t make up a single, solitary lie to tell bigots, racists, white nationalists,  Jew haters and Russian lovers they would have loved hearing.  

We loved to hear Ronnie tell us America was the shiny city on the hill and America’s last, best hope for all mankind.

And Reagan grew up with a Campbellite mother rocking his cradle.

He was the last Republican President who could listen to Tramp on the Street, and understand the meaning of the song.

https://youtu.be/Q1RcsX3ZU9g

These new Republicans are so incredibly nasty, hateful  and vile, you know?

 This nation has borrowed 32 trillion for the rich men who live in gilded towers and begrudge a young man who’s went off to college a few thousand dollars of student loan relief, that Ronald Reagan set up, in 1981

I didn’t qualify for a student loan until Ronald Reagan reformed the program.

Mama drove over to Hermitage with me to co sign or pledge the farm, and the Bank of Hermitage loaned me the money instead, on my signature alone, backed by Ronald Reagan.

Some days I can barely stand it, what became of the Republican Party. 

There was a day we hated Trumps and bigots and white nationalists and Russia lovers and Jew haters, and liked college boys, you know?

plugs is nothin like Reagan 

Bruce » 08 Aug 2023, 7:19 am » wrote: ↑

08 Aug 2023, 7:19 am

I carried a sign for Ronald Reagan in 1980.

I carried it for a corny, decent, square old man, and Uncle Joe reminds me a lot of Reagan.

Republicans in 1980 supported abortion as a way to reduce poverty and pay fewer welfare benefits.

We didn’t make up a single, solitary lie to tell bigots, racists, white nationalists,  Jew haters and Russian lovers they would have loved hearing.  

We loved to hear Ronnie tell us America was the shiny city on the hill and America’s last, best hope for all mankind.

And Reagan grew up with a Campbellite mother rocking his cradle.

He was the last Republican President who could listen to Tramp on the Street, and understand the meaning of the song.

https://youtu.be/Q1RcsX3ZU9g

These new Republicans are so incredibly nasty, hateful  and vile, you know?

 This nation has borrowed 32 trillion for the rich men who live in gilded towers and begrudge a young man who’s went off to college a few thousand dollars of student loan relief, that Ronald Reagan set up, in 1981

I didn’t qualify for a student loan until Ronald Reagan reformed the program.

Mama drove over to Hermitage with me to co sign or pledge the farm, and the Bank of Hermitage loaned me the money instead, on my signature alone, backed by Ronald Reagan.

Some days I can barely stand it, what became of the Republican Party. 

There was a day we hated Trumps and bigots and white nationalists and Russia lovers and Jew haters, and liked college boys, you know?

Interestingly, I was a staunch democrat when they were the "DFL" aka Democratic-Farmer-Labor-Party...they went off the reservation when Ronnie was president...what bothered me the most and tipping the scales for me was that with every term when they had a surplus, they couldn't spend it fast enough...that's when the **** started to flow...now it's on steroids with no surplus in sight...

also, you fling **** about big companies being republican...that demographic has changed as well...