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I am just curious as to who believes it was fake and I am interested in as to why.

Vegas » 14 Aug 2023, 4:24 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Aug 2023, 4:24 pm

Well?

I am just curious as to who believes it was fake and I am interested in as to why.

Not to open a wound, but I believe the moon landings were all real.

However, if they were faked it would be easier than the Deep State faking 9/11.

Think about it.

They shoot this huge rocket off into space.

All they’d need to fake is the moon surface shots, in  studio at home.

Bruce » 14 Aug 2023, 4:30 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Aug 2023, 4:30 pm

Not to open a wound, but I believe the moon landings were all real.

However, if they were faked it would be easier than the Deep State faking 9/11.

Think about it.

They shoot this huge rocket off into space.

All they’d need to fake is the moon surface shots, in  studio at home.

The only question I had about it was how the camera filmed him coming down the steps. How did the camera get there? However, they said

"The camera was housed in the Modularized Equipment Stowage Assembly (MESA), which was deployed by Armstrong while standing on the Lunar Module's porch. Once the MESA lowered to the lunar surface, Astronaut Aldrin activated the TV camera from inside the Module, and Armstrong descended the ladder."


Interesting. How bad would it suck if he missed the target area to place the camera? Lol. 



 

Vegas » 14 Aug 2023, 4:24 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Aug 2023, 4:24 pm

Well?

I am just curious as to who believes it was fake and I am interested in as to why.

I had no idea the moon was so windy, it was blowing the flag pretty good.

Cheese, it's all about the cheese, with foot prints in it!

Vegas » 14 Aug 2023, 4:38 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Aug 2023, 4:38 pm

The only question I had about it was how the camera filmed him coming down the steps. How did the camera get there? However, they said

"The camera was housed in the Modularized Equipment Stowage Assembly (MESA), which was deployed by Armstrong while standing on the Lunar Module's porch. Once the MESA lowered to the lunar surface, Astronaut Aldrin activated the TV camera from inside the Module, and Armstrong descended the ladder."

Interesting. How bad would it suck if he missed the target area to place the camera? Lol.

 
 

RebelGator » 14 Aug 2023, 5:44 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Aug 2023, 5:44 pm

I had no idea the moon was so windy, it was blowing the flag pretty good.

 Gina Treadgold writes for abcnews.com that planting a flag on the moon during the Apollo 11 mission was a top secret project in 1969. NASA engineer Tom Moser says, “?It had to be done quietly, because putting a U.S. flag on the moon was politically sensitive.” Historian Anne Platoff says the UN had passed a treaty stating “outer space, including the moon and other celestial bodies is not subject to national appropriation.” But the main problem was getting the flag to fly.
 Moser experimented with a store bought flag that cost $5.50. NASA developed a collapsible flagpole with a telescoping horizontal rod sewn into a seam on the top of the flag so it would extend outward. The flag was put into a heat resistant tube attached to the ladder of the lunar module, so Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin could detach it on their way down the ladder, after their landing.
 Moser says that when he watched lunar landing on July 20, 1969, “I watched Neil Armstrong go down the ladder ? it looked like he fell, I thought he had caught his spacesuit on the ladder, that it had ripped his suit open, and that was the end of manned space flight and it was all my fault.” But he didn’t fall, he just skipped the last step and jumped to the moon?s surface, saying, “That’s one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind.” He later explained he meant to say, “That’s one small step for A man.”
 Buzz Aldrin says, “It took both of us to set it up and it was nearly a public relations disaster. A small telescoping arm was attached to the flagpole to keep the flag extended and perpendicular. As hard as we tried, the telescope wouldn’t fully extend. Thus the flag which should have been flat had its own permanent wave.” 
 It turned out that the wrong coating had been applied to the telescoping rod, so it wouldn’t fully extend, which is why the flag looks like it’s waving in the breeze, although there’s no wind on the moon. Conspiracy theorists say the picture of Buzz Aldrin posing next to the flag proves the moon mission was a hoax, since the flag is rippled. 
 There are now a total of six U.S. flags on the moon, each one left by an Apollo mission. Each flag was deliberately designed to have the same ripple.

RebelGator » 14 Aug 2023, 5:44 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Aug 2023, 5:44 pm

I had no idea the moon was so windy, it was blowing the flag pretty good.

the flag was mounted to look like is was it was extended...

RebelGator » 14 Aug 2023, 5:44 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Aug 2023, 5:44 pm

I had no idea the moon was so windy, it was blowing the flag pretty good.

That has already been debunked. It was never waving. The astronauts had a rod through the hem, which left a ripple effect. 

nefarious101 » 14 Aug 2023, 6:47 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Aug 2023, 6:47 pm

the flag was mounted to look like is was it was extended...

I don't get it. What do you mean?

Z09 » 14 Aug 2023, 5:23 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Aug 2023, 5:23 pm

Vegas...

You say the moon landing was real?

What a relief.....

I can show you the space module on the moon. In contrast, you can't show me the plane at the pentagon.     

Vegas » 14 Aug 2023, 6:48 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Aug 2023, 6:48 pm

I don't get it. What do you mean?

Gator said the wind was blowing....the top of the flag has an arm extending to keep the flag extended outwardly as it was been keep that way by the wind...it's not the wind...it's the extension arm

Vegas » 14 Aug 2023, 4:24 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Aug 2023, 4:24 pm

Well?

I am just curious as to who believes it was fake and I am interested in as to why.

This will convince you.
Amazing, what if, conclusion-jumping, etc.
I watched this with no expectations and was convinced.
Especially after the same photo was driven into my brain repeatedly.
The monotonous tone was Chinese water-drop torturous.
The guy measured the prototype capsule and stuff.

https://www.avclub.com/film/reviews/was ... -moon-1997

 
 

DeezerShoove » 14 Aug 2023, 6:58 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Aug 2023, 6:58 pm

This will convince you.
Amazing, what if, conclusion-jumping, etc.
I watched this with no expectations and was convinced.
Especially after the same photo was driven into my brain repeatedly.
The monotonous tone was Chinese water-drop torturous.
The guy measured the prototype capsule and stuff.

https://www.avclub.com/film/reviews/was ... -moon-1997

 

What is it that you are convinced about? 

I'll watch it tonight. 
 

Vegas » 14 Aug 2023, 7:02 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Aug 2023, 7:02 pm

What is it that you are convinced about? 

I'll watch it tonight.

That an hour and twenty three minutes of my life was not wasted.
I sat and ate snacks. That was the best part...

btw
Anyone that knows anything about prototype builds would laugh at the part where he said he measured the hatch opening (of the prototype).
And concluded there is no way the space suits would fit through it...
Hint: A true evaluation would be to measure the actual opening and the actual suit. Might be different because the prototype was tested.
Also: How did the Soviets get hoodwinked since they were monitoring the entirely excursion?
Just a couple things I recall. It's been a few years since I saw that pile of ****. It's worth a laugh though.

DeezerShoove » 14 Aug 2023, 8:51 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Aug 2023, 8:51 pm

That an hour and twenty three minutes of my life was not wasted.
I sat and ate snacks. That was the best part...

btw
Anyone that knows anything about prototype builds would laugh at the part where he said he measured the hatch opening (of the prototype).
And concluded there is no way the space suits would fit through it...
Hint: A true evaluation would be to measure the actual opening and the actual suit. Might be different because the prototype was tested.
Also: How did the Soviets get hoodwinked since they were monitoring the entirely excursion?
Just a couple things I recall. It's been a few years since I saw that pile of ****. It's worth a laugh though.

Sooooo...do you believe it was a hoax or not? 

Vegas » 15 Aug 2023, 8:55 am » wrote: ↑

15 Aug 2023, 8:55 am

Sooooo...do you believe it was a hoax or not?

I find it interesting to watch an "obsessed-with-the-truth" guy try to make his case.
But when he (earnest as he may be) repeats and reaches too long for a conclusion,
who can believe he's NOT a bit nutty?

I'd rather believe the guys who were there...

I like real stories that are verifiable or at least convincing.
There was one about the first space walk.
They did the exit and entry on Earth many times as practice runs.
Getting through the hatch was no problem and they focused on other stuff.

Up in the partial vacuum of near-Earth orbit they were in trouble, After he got out on the walk, his suit was equalizing pressures and it inflated as designed. By the time he tried to get back in, he couldn't fit through the opening. He lost weight in the battle to re-enter, such was the struggle and heat.
Story goes that he had to open a valve to deflate it then, nearly exhausted, re-enter and quickly re-pressurize to not die.
Stories like that are believable.

https://time.com/5802128/alexei-leonov- ... obstacles/
 

DeezerShoove » 15 Aug 2023, 9:14 am » wrote: ↑

15 Aug 2023, 9:14 am

I find it interesting to watch an "obsessed-with-the-truth" guy try to make his case.
But when he (earnest as he may be) repeats and reaches too long for a conclusion,
who can believe he's NOT a bit nutty?

I'd rather believe the guys who were there...

I like real stories that are verifiable or at least convincing.
There was one about the first space walk.
They did the exit and entry on Earth many times as practice runs.
Getting through the hatch was no problem and they focused on other stuff.

Up in the partial vacuum of near-Earth orbit they were in trouble, After he got out on the walk, his suit was equalizing pressures and it inflated as designed. By the time he tried to get back in, he couldn't fit through the opening. He lost weight in the battle to re-enter, such was the struggle and heat.
Story goes that he had to open a valve to deflate it then, nearly exhausted, re-enter and quickly re-pressurize to not die.
Stories like that are believable.

https://time.com/5802128/alexei-leonov- ... obstacles/

Okay...again....sooooooooooooooooo do you believe it was hoax or not? 

Vegas » 15 Aug 2023, 9:18 am » wrote: ↑

15 Aug 2023, 9:18 am

Okay...again....sooooooooooooooooo do you believe it was hoax or not?

Why is this **** so **** hard to understand?

I said:  "I'd rather believe the guys who were there..."

After calling a Moon Landing Debunker nutty.
How many ways must a person say those guys are screwy loons but those guys are believable?
I clearly pointed out the types I believe or not.

DeezerShoove » 15 Aug 2023, 9:24 am » wrote: ↑

15 Aug 2023, 9:24 am

Why is this **** so **** hard to understand?

I said:  "I'd rather believe the guys who were there..."

After calling a Moon Landing Debunker nutty.
How many ways must a person say those guys are screwy loons but those guys are believable?
I clearly pointed out the types I believe or not.

You are going back and forth. You believe the nutty loons, but also the guys that were there. You are being vague. That's why I am asking a direct question, hopefully to elicit a direct answer. 

Let's try again, Yes or No answer only. 

Ready? Q: Do you believe it was hoax?  YES or NO.