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RebelGator » 17 Aug 2023, 1:01 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Aug 2023, 1:01 pm

Nothing says devotion like video conferencing......and with the added benefit of your neighbor not eyeballing your collection plate offering, you must have been in 7th heaven.

 

Bruce » 17 Aug 2023, 12:45 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Aug 2023, 12:45 pm

Serious.

Maine is a Christian Church preacher, not United Church of Christ.

Close, but they still have doctrines, dogmas, and creeds.

Actually, I was a licensed UCC minister for a brief, but extremely fulfilling stint as the interim pastor at my own church in Maine from 2008 to 2010.  Now I am a member at the Congregational Church where Harriet Beecher Stowe sat and had the vision for the final chapter of Uncle Tom's Cabin.  There is a plaque in the pew where she was sitting... I sit there sometimes.  

maineman » 17 Aug 2023, 2:23 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Aug 2023, 2:23 pm

Actually, I was a licensed UCC minister for a brief, but extremely fulfilling stint as the interim pastor at my own church in Maine from 2008 to 2010.  Now I am a member at the Congregational Church where Harriet Beecher Stowe sat and had the vision for the final chapter of Uncle Tom's Cabin.  There is a plaque in the pew where she was sitting... I sit there sometimes.

Bowing my head without bending my knees.

Lookie over here at the   

Harriet       Beecher    Stowe       Pew

There’s one true story I can’t even start to top.

 

RedheadedStranger » 17 Aug 2023, 12:53 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Aug 2023, 12:53 pm

Mainstain claims to be a former UCC minister.

​​​​​​Your really love running that dick sucker about **** you know absolutely nothing about, don't you?

There are three universally recognized churches where the little boys that attend get insulted as Campbellites by the Baptist boys.
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Christian Church (guitars and pianos) 

Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) 

Church of Christ (no guitars or pianos)

The UCC is oh so close.

In the album  (maybe not the movie) Willie Nelson is a Campbellite minister.

https://youtu.be/clwqgWvKPHI

 

Punch » 17 Aug 2023, 11:33 am » wrote: ↑

17 Aug 2023, 11:33 am

It only took a few scientists and a pandemic scare to close down the churches. That was great.

Next time wolf is called the response will be diminished. You can scare the people once or twice, the skeptics were proven mostly right. The sheep that overreacted are ashamed of themselves. 
 

Bruce » 17 Aug 2023, 2:43 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Aug 2023, 2:43 pm

There are three universally recognized churches where the little boys that attend get insulted as Campbellites by the Baptist boys.
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Christian Church (guitars and pianos) 

Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) 

Church of Christ (no guitars or pianos)

The UCC is oh so close.

In the album  (maybe not the movie) Willie Nelson is a Campbellite minister.

https://youtu.be/clwqgWvKPHI

None of this changes the fact that you still love running your dick sucker about things that that you have no clue about.

Do better.
 

 

RedheadedStranger » 17 Aug 2023, 4:49 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Aug 2023, 4:49 pm

None of this changes the fact that you still love running your dick sucker about things that that you have no clue about.

Do better.

One of the things in the movie Red Headed Stranger they got right is a Campbelitte never, ever responds to insults by replying with insults.


We love to talk and tell stories.

We do not ever intentionally tell a malicious lie, with intent to deceive.

And we look up facts.  We seek truth and more light.

We can’t understand why others won’t.

 

Bruce » 17 Aug 2023, 7:07 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Aug 2023, 7:07 pm

We do not ever intentionally tell a malicious lie, with intent to deceive.

And we look up facts.  We seek truth and more light.
 

Well, you are failing miserably at these tenants.

Like I've said repeatedly... do better.

 

RedheadedStranger » 17 Aug 2023, 7:22 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Aug 2023, 7:22 pm

Well, you are failing miserably at these tenants.

Like I've said repeatedly... do better.

I always try to do better with every breath.

As to the right to attend a church house.

The reason that unless war or pestilence aside, Americans have more rights to assemble and worship (or stay home) than any nation ever to exist under the sun is the United States Constitution guarantees:
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
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Those rights are not absolute.

Before the vaccines the only way to limit Covid was forbid large optional gatherings. 

Nothing is more optional than church attendance in the USA.  Yet hardly anything except life itself is more precious than the right to assemble and worship. These were weighed in the balance by governments.

How big could crowds be?  How much space between worshippers?  How much disease against how much public safety?

Today if you don’t want to get sick or die of  Covid get your shots.



 

https://twitter.com/i/status/1692096965549367347

Bruce » 17 Aug 2023, 7:58 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Aug 2023, 7:58 pm

I always try to do better with every breath.

As to the right to attend a church house.

The reason that unless war or pestilence aside, Americans have more rights to assemble and worship (or stay home) than any nation ever to exist under the sun is the United States Constitution guarantees:
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
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Those rights are not absolute.

Before the vaccines the only way to limit Covid was forbid large optional gatherings. 

Nothing is more optional than church attendance in the USA.  Yet hardly anything except life itself is more precious than the right to assemble and worship. These were weighed in the balance by governments.

How big could crowds be?  How much space between worshippers?  How much disease against how much public safety?

Today if you don’t want to get sick or die of  Covid get your shots.

By your logic, every George Floyd protester should have been subjected to the same penalties and or fines for gathering in public as the people attending church... since no rights are absolute and all.

See what your AI bot has to say about that. I would be curious to hear it.

 
 

Liberal America.....Portland. America is dying.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1692299037074976996
 

RedheadedStranger » 17 Aug 2023, 8:06 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Aug 2023, 8:06 pm

By your logic, every George Floyd protester should have been subjected to the same penalties and or fines for gathering in public as the people attending church... since no rights are absolute and all.

See what your AI bot has to say about that. I would be curious to hear it.

All those Floyd protests were guaranteed by the First Amendment until they became riots, and all subject to Covid laws.

And of course all were outside.

The President had to be evacuated to a safer place, which is truly a riot instead of a peaceful gathering.

Governments can only keep the people just so safe, and no more.

ultraliberals love to say it is my body and I'll do what I want with it but you have to take this GOV forced vaccine !

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Churches were of course shut down [with great glee and vigor by the "Enlightened Progressives"]....but the recreational pot stores remainded wide open with "Progressive Dopers standing shoulder to shoulder in lines beginning in the parking lots.

Bruce » 17 Aug 2023, 8:15 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Aug 2023, 8:15 pm

All those Floyd protests were guaranteed by the First Amendment until they became riots, and all subject to Covid laws.

And of course all were outside.

The President had to be evacuated to a safer place, which is truly a riot instead of a peaceful gathering.

Governments can only keep the people just so safe, and no more.

So... in your opinion, "protesting" is protected by the Constitution, but going to church isn't.

Interesting 
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RedheadedStranger » 17 Aug 2023, 8:06 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Aug 2023, 8:06 pm

By your logic, every George Floyd protester should have been subjected to the same penalties and or fines for gathering in public as the people attending church... since no rights are absolute and all.

See what your AI bot has to say about that. I would be curious to hear it.

The virus knew the difference between magats and righteous blm protesters.  
 

RedheadedStranger » 17 Aug 2023, 8:42 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Aug 2023, 8:42 pm

So... in your opinion, "protesting" is protected by the Constitution, but going to church isn't.

Interesting 
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Both are protected by the First Amedment.

I can’t imagine any parade permits issued for inside a building Floyd protests.  Outside, yes, inside never.

Churches are different.  Many Christians hold the church house itself sacred and nobody holds a public arena sacred, unless it’s a college football stadium maybe.

 Trump called a hundred thousand supporters on January 6, 2021 to Washington and those outside protests were constitutionally guaranteed.  

Inside the Capitol, not at all.
 

Here’s a good article comparing religious meeting assembly rights in 1918 versus 2020.

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During the Spanish Flu, the multi-week bans on religious gatherings were absolute, but they tended to be the only restrictions imposed. In some places, health authorities issued guidance, as opposed to orders, and allowed houses of worship to decide themselves whether to close.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl ... to%20close.
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These are always hard matters to balance, saving lives and preserving religious liberties,

MackTheFinger » 17 Aug 2023, 8:21 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Aug 2023, 8:21 pm

 

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lol