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razoo » 19 Aug 2023, 4:04 am » wrote: ↑

19 Aug 2023, 4:04 am

On Trump indictments, polls tell GOP what it doesn’t want to hearWith Democrats largely steering clear of the political fight over Donald Trump’s indictments, would Americans believe GOP talking points? Apparently not. 

 In the wake of Donald Trump’s four criminal indictments, a variety of Republicans have suggested that the public would “see through” prosecutors’ efforts and reject the indictments’ legitimacy. The “American people,” assorted GOP voices have said, will side with the former president.

There’s fresh evidence pointing in the opposite direction. From the latest national polling report from Quinnipiac University.

Tim Malloy, a Quinnipiac polling analyst, explained, “Not only do a large majority of Americans regard the federal charges as serious, more than half of Americans think the former president should face prosecution.”

Not surprisingly, the partisan gaps were enormous — 95% of Democrats think Trump should be criminally prosecuted for his post-defeat efforts, 85% of Republicans do not — but the survey results found that independents are not siding with the former president: By a 57%-to-37% margin, Quinnipiac found independent voters agreeing that Trump should be prosecuted.

The top-line results do not appear to be an outlier: The latest poll from The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research, which was conducted shortly before this week’s Fulton County indictment, also found that 53% of Americans “approve of the Justice Department indicting Trump over his efforts to remain in office after losing the 2020 election.”

This comes on the heels of related polling from June, which also found a narrow majority of Americans supporting the criminal charges against Trump in his classified documents case. 

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-sho ... rcna100631

filed in my WGAF folder...

First, a man’s liberty shouldn’t depend on public opinion.

But I notice 15% of Republicans must be able to read and separate reason from passion.

Folks, in the entire history of the United States only President Trump refused to peacefully step aside and congratulate the winner. Only him, none of the others.

Reasonable people may differ on the amount of punishment but we don’t want Biden doing the same thing if Biden loses next year.

Can we keep a Republic, or not?

That title is hilariously funny because it allows those polled to lead everyone else down an inaccurate truism.

Whether it is 100 or 100 million people poĺled, it doesn't account for how and why the entire population exist adapting in their own time cuŕrent 8 billion lifetimes sharing space specifically living the reality their ancestry his historically made how humanity chooses to corrupt every great great grandchild arrive now changes the population left evolving in plain sight now.

Reasonable doubt unites dishonest sole reproductions to become leaders of people seeking better tomorrow's than generation gaps exist today by any means possible justified by the numbers polled to represent social consensus within "We of this ideology are better then anyone else's ideology or anyone defying humanity.".

Bruce » 20 Aug 2023, 1:12 am » wrote: ↑

20 Aug 2023, 1:12 am

Folks, in the entire history of the United States only President Trump refused to peacefully step aside and congratulate the winner. Only him, none of the others.

Concocting a lie about Russian collusion and relentlessly pushing this narrative through the media for 3 years, is not stepping aside particularly peacefully, and it's about as far from being congratulatory in its intent, as you can get. The conspiracy theory was of course fabricated to undermine and de-legitimise Trump's win in an election which - according to the electoral processes of the US - he won fair and square. The intent of the lie is clear, and you bet it has resulted in/contributed to, quite intense division and hostility amongst the US electorate and undoubtedly resulted in violence. And this wasn't anything anyone could argue she legitimately believed - she concocted a story about the president colluding with Russia, to divide America.  Only Hillary has done that - no one else. Is that of importance?.. does this count as an attempt to defraud the US electorate? Is the media's compliance in all this, evidence of a criminal conspiracy?..  apparently not in this instance

Hillary's absolute animus towards Trump, based entirely on a lie she created, remains a root of harsh social division to this day, as many are still utterly convinced by the false diatribe of this disgraceful, scheming harpie. All of these dumb left-wing slogans, like 'attacking democracy', 'election denial', 'baseless conspiracy theory' etc.. she's guilty of them all, and no one from the left gives a **** - because they never cared a **** about any of those accusations in the first place, they're just empty, asinine slogans.

Once again, the outstanding dynamic in all this isn't Trump - once again, it's the establishment's reaction, which amounts to unashamed, unapologetically politicized animus towards Trump. To paraphrase Steven Crowder: "More than 120 charges against him.. they're throwing more **** at the wall than Amber Heard on a bender'. And Jesus - some of those charges:

On or about the 3rd day of December 2020, Donald John Trump caused to be Tweeted from the Twitter account @RealDonaldTrump "Georgia hearings now on @OANN. Amazing!" This was an overt act in furtherance of the conspiracy

But apparently the legal system is blind.. Sure it is.. it's blind to the conspiracies of Hillary Clinton, but it's sure keen to find conspiracies amongst her detractors.. By golly will it find them, come hell or high-water.

Contesting the outcome of an election is almost mandatory, the aspect that's bizarre and off the wall in all this, isn't that Trump did it as well, it's the relentless determination to find a way of singling out Trump's understandable response to a highly dodgy looking election, as demanding of political and legal attention - where the less understandable and ultimately more damaging election responses of others, apparently warrant no such attention.

A mere witch hunt?.. Optimistic, Mr Trump

 
 

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razoo » 19 Aug 2023, 4:04 am » wrote: ↑

19 Aug 2023, 4:04 am

On Trump indictments, polls tell GOP what it doesn’t want to hearWith Democrats largely steering clear of the political fight over Donald Trump’s indictments, would Americans believe GOP talking points? Apparently not. 

 In the wake of Donald Trump’s four criminal indictments, a variety of Republicans have suggested that the public would “see through” prosecutors’ efforts and reject the indictments’ legitimacy. The “American people,” assorted GOP voices have said, will side with the former president.

There’s fresh evidence pointing in the opposite direction. From the latest national polling report from Quinnipiac University.

Tim Malloy, a Quinnipiac polling analyst, explained, “Not only do a large majority of Americans regard the federal charges as serious, more than half of Americans think the former president should face prosecution.”

Not surprisingly, the partisan gaps were enormous — 95% of Democrats think Trump should be criminally prosecuted for his post-defeat efforts, 85% of Republicans do not — but the survey results found that independents are not siding with the former president: By a 57%-to-37% margin, Quinnipiac found independent voters agreeing that Trump should be prosecuted.

The top-line results do not appear to be an outlier: The latest poll from The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research, which was conducted shortly before this week’s Fulton County indictment, also found that 53% of Americans “approve of the Justice Department indicting Trump over his efforts to remain in office after losing the 2020 election.”

This comes on the heels of related polling from June, which also found a narrow majority of Americans supporting the criminal charges against Trump in his classified documents case. 

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-sho ... rcna100631

Yet 100% of Razoo's peers think that walking around with another man's **** smeered all over their dicks is perfectly OK.

 
 

razoo » 19 Aug 2023, 4:04 am » wrote: ↑

19 Aug 2023, 4:04 am

On Trump indictments, polls tell GOP what it doesn’t want to hearWith Democrats largely steering clear of the political fight over Donald Trump’s indictments, would Americans believe GOP talking points? Apparently not. 

 In the wake of Donald Trump’s four criminal indictments, a variety of Republicans have suggested that the public would “see through” prosecutors’ efforts and reject the indictments’ legitimacy. The “American people,” assorted GOP voices have said, will side with the former president.

There’s fresh evidence pointing in the opposite direction. From the latest national polling report from Quinnipiac University.

Tim Malloy, a Quinnipiac polling analyst, explained, “Not only do a large majority of Americans regard the federal charges as serious, more than half of Americans think the former president should face prosecution.”

Not surprisingly, the partisan gaps were enormous — 95% of Democrats think Trump should be criminally prosecuted for his post-defeat efforts, 85% of Republicans do not — but the survey results found that independents are not siding with the former president: By a 57%-to-37% margin, Quinnipiac found independent voters agreeing that Trump should be prosecuted.

The top-line results do not appear to be an outlier: The latest poll from The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research, which was conducted shortly before this week’s Fulton County indictment, also found that 53% of Americans “approve of the Justice Department indicting Trump over his efforts to remain in office after losing the 2020 election.”

This comes on the heels of related polling from June, which also found a narrow majority of Americans supporting the criminal charges against Trump in his classified documents case. 

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-sho ... rcna100631

Of course he should be prosecuted as should all of the insiders and outsiders what the hell is going on. No politicians should be allowed to commit crimes.

razoo » 22 Aug 2023, 3:52 am » wrote: ↑

22 Aug 2023, 3:52 am

Of course he should be prosecuted as should all of the insiders and outsiders what the hell is going on. No politicians should be allowed to commit crimes.

What is a crime? intellectual self deception or not obeying people deceiving themselves? legislating morality, ethics, legalities, economic values beyond time limiting ancestors to life mutually evolving spontaneously alive since conceived until no more conceptions changing population left alive now.

Pretend I didn't describe how eternity works genetics eternally separating each ancestor occupying time native to this atmosphere and call me stupid, ignorant, crazy, insane, subhuman, scum of the earth. or what ever vocabulary you learned to use after birth to defy why you are proportionately living here now.

Every post I make reveals self evident timing why each person exists in plain sight.

What do you propose every post? Life cannot be limited to spontaneous timing of ancestral displacements being eternally separated in plain sight.

what I am is not what you pretend to be. Above it all. I exist because I am mutually evolving forward as one of a kind now, equally sharing space for the time I have adapting in it equally here.