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Trump is in hot water and some cronies will also be in hot water no matter what BS spin is being broadcast .....
simple as that.

I wonder how many of the eighteen co-defendants will cut a deal with Fani Willis and turn state's evidence on the clown?

I bet Rudy certainly does not relish the idea of a jumpsuit and an anus so stretched out that he could **** soda cans.

What a song HE could sing, eh? 
 

razoo » 20 Aug 2023, 2:34 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Aug 2023, 2:34 pm

Trump is in hot water and some cronies will also be in hot water no matter what BS spin is being broadcast .....
simple as that.

HA!!  MANY legal EXPERTS believe that MOST of the indictments against Trump are COMPLETE BS... and the rest are 99% BS !!

THEY are just looking to use the INDICTMENTS themselves, as ANOTHER Democrat attempt to INFLUENCE voters BEFORE the elections...

BUT, Republicans, and MOST of Americans, have SEEN ALL of THOSE SAME OLD CROOKED attempts to SMEAR and DEFAME... time and time again... AND ALL of which have led to NOTHING !

NOW, on the FLIP side... Republicans are amassing a MOUNTAIN of HARD evidence... of CORRUPTION, COLLUSION, ABUSE of POWER, ELECTION INTERFERENCE, and WEAPONIZATION of the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT... by the DOJ, FBI, Deep State, Democrat Party and Fake News Media..  in the form of WITNESSES, WHISTLEBLOWERS, HARD DRIVES, e-Mails, FBI 1023 Forms, FISA Documents, and Bank Records... NOT TO MENTION what might come to light as part of the Trump Legal team's "Discovery" process.. which the CORRUPT DOJ team TRIED DESPERATELY to PREVENT Trump from using & discussing during the election... and FAILED !

I can JUST see the TV ads PLASTERED ALL OVER the MEDIA during the election... discussing ALL of that... with DETAIL... and then, ended with a video clip of Joe Biden ACTUALLY ADMITTING to using a $1 Billion aid package to Ukraine, to QUASH an investigation of his son and Buresma Holdings... BY Ukraine, from which HE was receiving kickbacks from Buresma !!!... the company that WAS being INVESTIGATED !!
 

Majik » 20 Aug 2023, 2:14 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Aug 2023, 2:14 pm

Quit lying and using the Jan.6th commitee script of falsehoods.....they have no currency here....
The alternate electors did not come into play until the DC Establishment out right refused to investigate and the Judiciary's in the battleground states would not allow any of the lawsuits  to reach the discovery phase .....

Read the 45 page Jack Smith indictment.

Trump had lost all lawsuits and recounts by early December and the election  was over.

The original Eastman plot was this;

Have “alternate electors” meet on the proper day the actual electors met, Dec 14.  Those alternate electors would file their votes with the Nat Archives.  This happened.

The original Pence Card plot was to have Pence accept the alternate electors as the actual ones and declare Trump winner because of voter fraud (New Mexico included).  The National Guard would have kept Trump in power during expected protests.

Only after Pence refused was what Trump’s lawyer calls  Option D selected, which is what you describe, delay so state legislators could have a chance to nullify votes and send Trump votes.  That’s sheer fantasy, that any would have, and New Mexico is a solid blue state where it’s delusional to even say it out loud.

Squatchman » 20 Aug 2023, 6:42 am » wrote: ↑

20 Aug 2023, 6:42 am

Coming from a guy that thinks there is such a thing as bomb powder.
Poor Max.
His idiocy follows him every where he goes.
He doesn't know about RICO either.
But if asked he's a climatologist,attorney,gun expert and a constitutional scholar.
When in all reality he's just another low wit trump supporter with 3 teeth and a warts wife.

RICO charges depend on an underlying crime. 
What crime did Trump conspire to commit?   He hasn't been charged with anything that would support a RICO case. 
 

Bruce » 20 Aug 2023, 3:06 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Aug 2023, 3:06 pm

Read the 45 page Jack Smith indictment.

Trump had lost all lawsuits and recounts by early December and the election  was over.

The original Eastman plot was this;

Have “alternate electors” meet on the proper day the actual electors met, Dec 14.  Those alternate electors would file their votes with the Nat Archives.  This happened.

The original Pence Card plot was to have Pence accept the alternate electors as the actual ones and declare Trump winner because of voter fraud (New Mexico included).  The National Guard would have kept Trump in power during expected protests.

Only after Pence refused was what Trump’s lawyer calls  Option D selected, which is what you describe, delay so state legislators could have a chance to nullify votes and send Trump votes.  That’s sheer fantasy, that any would have, and New Mexico is a solid blue state where it’s delusional to even say it out loud.

Bruce is still telling this lie. 
Alternative slates of electors are not illegal, in fact there is Federal Law to describe how to deal with this, when it happens. 

 

maineman » 20 Aug 2023, 2:51 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Aug 2023, 2:51 pm

I wonder how many of the eighteen co-defendants will cut a deal with Fani Willis and turn state's evidence on the clown?

I bet Rudy certainly does not relish the idea of a jumpsuit and an anus so stretched out that he could **** soda cans.

What a song HE could sing, eh?

Bet mainbitch can't tell us what the underlying crime was for Fani Willis' RICO charges. 
 

golfboy » 20 Aug 2023, 5:19 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Aug 2023, 5:19 pm

Bruce is still telling this lie. 
Alternative slates of electors are not illegal, in fact there is Federal Law to describe how to deal with this, when it happens.

No, there is no provision anywhere in any statute  for alternate electors.

But, there is a statute that if by the fourth Wednesday in December any state has NOT submitted an elector slate (called Certificate of Ascertainment) the VP requests one.

Part A of the Pence Card was for Pence to inquire on December 24 and pretend the seven states had filed false certificates void due to voter fraud. 

Ever the *** kisser, but still an honorable man, Pence refused on December 24.

Read the indictment 

FYI
 
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastman_memos

The Trump campaign engaged Eastman with a formal retainer agreement signed December 5 for services in litigating the election outcome.[8][9] The memos have been described as an instruction manual for a coup d'état.
 

golfboy » 20 Aug 2023, 5:20 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Aug 2023, 5:20 pm

Bet mainbitch can't tell us what the underlying crime was for Fani Willis' RICO charges.

You sure cannot provide hard evidence for whatever your position may be............... HOWEVER having Trump on 
tape demanding vote interference could be the underlying crime backed with hard evidence...............

razoo » 20 Aug 2023, 5:40 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Aug 2023, 5:40 pm

You sure cannot provide hard evidence for whatever your position may be............... HOWEVER having Trump on 
tape demanding vote interference could be the underlying crime backed with hard evidence...............

Explain [in your own words] how Trump was demanding "VOTE INTERFERENCE".
Please elaborate... provide details.

razoo » 20 Aug 2023, 5:40 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Aug 2023, 5:40 pm

You sure cannot provide hard evidence for whatever your position may be............... HOWEVER having Trump on 
tape demanding vote interference could be the underlying crime backed with hard evidence...............

Not what he did.  And even liberal media is admitting that fact. 
You should actually listen to the whole conversation, in stead of cherry picking one sentence. 

But if you actually educated yourself, your head might explode.
 

Bruce » 20 Aug 2023, 5:31 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Aug 2023, 5:31 pm

No, there is no provision anywhere in any statute  for alternate electors.

But, there is a statute that if by the fourth Wednesday in December any state has NOT submitted an elector slate (called Certificate of Ascertainment) the VP requests one.

Part A of the Pence Card was for Pence to inquire on December 24 and pretend the seven states had filed false certificates void due to voter fraud. 

Ever the *** kisser, but still an honorable man, Pence refused on December 24.

Read the indictment 

FYI
 
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastman_memos

The Trump campaign engaged Eastman with a formal retainer agreement signed December 5 for services in litigating the election outcome.[8][9] The memos have been described as an instruction manual for a coup d'état.

Why do you continue to lie? 

Objections at that meeting about electors will be settled using a process established by the Electoral Count Act of 1887. The law has its origins in the contested presidential election of 1876 between Samuel Tilden and Rutherford B. Hayes. Several states during the 1876 election sent rival electoral ballots to be considered by Congress, which lacked a procedure to decide among contested slates of electors. The short-term solution was a special 15-person commission (including five House Representatives, five Senators, and five Supreme Court justices) to decide the election, which went to Hayes. In the end, the participating Supreme Court justices cast the deciding votes, after the House and Senate members voted on party lines.

 The Electoral Count Act of 1887 and several federal statutes address questions about contested electors that land in Congress. The Congressional Research Service’s current interpretation of the Electoral Count Act explains its understanding of the process when it comes to objections to electoral votes.
 
 

razoo » 20 Aug 2023, 5:40 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Aug 2023, 5:40 pm

You sure cannot provide hard evidence for whatever your position may be............... HOWEVER having Trump on 
tape demanding vote interference could be the underlying crime backed with hard evidence...............

Since that never happened....can we assume you're a pathetic ****?

golfboy » 20 Aug 2023, 5:16 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Aug 2023, 5:16 pm

RICO charges depend on an underlying crime. 
What crime did Trump conspire to commit?   He hasn't been charged with anything that would support a RICO case.

RICO only requires two predicate crimes.  There are likely dozens but only two tigger RICO.

1. Intimidation of Ruby Freedman (what sweet irony)

In harrowing, emotional and painful detail, a mother-daughter duo of Georgia election workers described during Tuesday’s Jan. 6 committee hearing how a mob of Donald Trump supporters came after them, online and in person, after having gobbled up a debunked conspiracy theory about their actions on Election Day 2020.
 As a result, their lives will never be the same, the two women, Ruby Freeman and her daughter, Wandrea “Shaye” Moss, said during Tuesday’s hearing.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna34640

2. Intimidation of Rusty Bowers in Arizona 

 PHOENIX (AP) — Republican Arizona House Speaker Rusty Bowers lost his bid for a state Senate seat after refusing then-President Donald Trump’s pleas to help overturn the 2020 election results and testifying before Congress about the efforts.
 Bowers tried to move to the state Senate because of term limits. He lost to former state Sen. David Farnsworth, who criticized him for refusing to help Trump or go along with a contentious 2021 “audit” that Republican leaders in the Senate commissioned.Farnsworth automatically will win the Senate seat because no Democrat is running in the heavily Republican district.
https://apnews.com/article/2022-midterm ... eca5e025fa


Bowers, a Republican and the speaker of the Arizona House, testified about the effort by Trump and his lawyer Rudy Giuliani to have the state Legislature pick a new, rival slate of electors that would favor Trump, even though GOP Gov. Doug Ducey had already certified Biden’s election win in the state.Bowers told the committee that he knew Trump’s request to be unconstitutional — and repeatedly refused.

 “It is a tenet of my faith that the Constitution is divinely inspired, that this is my most basic foundational belief,” said Bowers, who is Mormon. “And so for me to do that because somebody just asked me to, is foreign to my very being; I will not do it.”

 Bowers, a longtime conservative lawmaker, choked up as he told the committee about the toll these events have taken on him and his family. Trump supporters, he said, have regularly shown up at his home on Saturdays, causing his family dread. They have driven trucks through his neighborhood with video panels falsely proclaiming him to be “a pedophile and a pervert and a corrupt politician,” he said. In one instance, a man possessing a pistol began arguing with him and one of his neighbors about the election.This all came as his daughter was gravely ill, Bowers said, tears in his eyes. She died on Jan. 28, 2021, several weeks after the attack on the Capitol. 
——

That’s in addition to the intimidation of Mike Mike Pence, but Mike’s a big boy.

 
 

Bruce » 20 Aug 2023, 5:57 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Aug 2023, 5:57 pm

RICO only requires two predicate crimes.  There are likely dozens but only two tigger RICO.

1. Intimidation of Ruby Freedman (what sweet irony)

In harrowing, emotional and painful detail, a mother-daughter duo of Georgia election workers described during Tuesday’s Jan. 6 committee hearing how a mob of Donald Trump supporters came after them, online and in person, after having gobbled up a debunked conspiracy theory about their actions on Election Day 2020.
 As a result, their lives will never be the same, the two women, Ruby Freeman and her daughter, Wandrea “Shaye” Moss, said during Tuesday’s hearing.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna34640

2. Intimidation of Rusty Bowers in Arizona 

 PHOENIX (AP) — Republican Arizona House Speaker Rusty Bowers lost his bid for a state Senate seat after refusing then-President Donald Trump’s pleas to help overturn the 2020 election results and testifying before Congress about the efforts.
 Bowers tried to move to the state Senate because of term limits. He lost to former state Sen. David Farnsworth, who criticized him for refusing to help Trump or go along with a contentious 2021 “audit” that Republican leaders in the Senate commissioned.Farnsworth automatically will win the Senate seat because no Democrat is running in the heavily Republican district.
https://apnews.com/article/2022-midterm ... eca5e025fa

——

That’s in addition to the intimidation of Mike Mike Pence, but Mike’s a big boy.

 

Wait, now Trump supporters were involved in the RICO crimes?    

And again, contesting elections is not a crime. 
Sorry, do you want to try again?

golfboy » 20 Aug 2023, 6:00 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Aug 2023, 6:00 pm

Wait, now Trump supporters were involved in the RICO crimes?    

And again, contesting elections is not a crime. 
Sorry, do you want to try again?

What do racketeers do?

They intimidate witnesses by sending goons.

Rusty Bowers and Giuliano.
 ——Arizona House Speaker Rusty Bowers, a Republican, told the committee during today's hearing about the pressure put on him by former President Donald Trump and his allies, including Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani.Bowers testified that Giuliani told him of allegations of voter fraud committed by undocumented immigrants or dead people who were listed as having voted.Bowers said he and other GOP legislators pushed for explanations into the theories and for Giuliani to provide sufficient evidence to justify recalling the state's presidential electors.
 "In my recollection," Bowers said of Giuliani, "he said, We have lots of theories we just don't have the evidence.'"
——

 

golfboy » 20 Aug 2023, 6:00 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Aug 2023, 6:00 pm

Wait, now Trump supporters were involved in the RICO crimes?    

And again, contesting elections is not a crime. 
Sorry, do you want to try again?

Trump exhausted his legal avenues to contest the election and failed. Anything he does after that to OVERTURN the election is as a crime. 

Trump should have put on his big boy pants and conceded the election. 

You should put on your big boy pants as well, Gulpboy. 

Beekeeper » 20 Aug 2023, 6:26 am » wrote: ↑

20 Aug 2023, 6:26 am

So, Fani is going to get her FANNY (***) KICKED ON THIS ONE!! And probably will see the CHARGES DISMISSED TOTALLY AGAINST ALL INVOLVED since she states a "Conspiracy" with NO UNDERLINE CRIME THEY WERE CONSPIRING TO COMMIT!!

Trying to change an election result IS NOT A CRIME AT THE STATE OR  FEDERAL LEVEL, ****!!!

Andrew McCarthy Former US Prosecturor) writes:

Trump exhausted his avenues to contest the election  Everything he did after that was criminal. In fact, Trump is still committing crimes by witness tampering. 

Trump should have put on his big boy pants and conceded the election. 

You should do the same, incest boy. 

Bruce » 20 Aug 2023, 6:06 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Aug 2023, 6:06 pm

What do racketeers do?

They intimidate witnesses by sending goons.

Rusty Bowers and Giuliano.
 ——Arizona House Speaker Rusty Bowers, a Republican, told the committee during today's hearing about the pressure put on him by former President Donald Trump and his allies, including Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani.Bowers testified that Giuliani told him of allegations of voter fraud committed by undocumented immigrants or dead people who were listed as having voted.Bowers said he and other GOP legislators pushed for explanations into the theories and for Giuliani to provide sufficient evidence to justify recalling the state's presidential electors.
 "In my recollection," Bowers said of Giuliani, "he said, We have lots of theories we just don't have the evidence.'"
——

Gulpboy knows, he just can’t admit it to his cult brethren. 
 

Pastafarian » 20 Aug 2023, 6:06 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Aug 2023, 6:06 pm

Trump exhausted his legal avenues to contest the election and failed. Anything he does after that to OVERTURN the election is as a crime. 

Trump should have put on his big boy pants and conceded the election. 

You should put on your big boy pants as well, Gulpboy.

A little patience,,,,grasshopper.

This billionaire President, on his third super model wife, living in golden towers with gilded faucets, and owning his own Boeing 757, committed so many crimes without number, but we need but two crimes, to launch his trial.

Trump can be in the White House, but if as part of the enterprise there are only two crimes, we lock him away for life under RICO.

We must carefully chose which two crimes will put every juror in tears.

ATLANTA, Dec 10 (Reuters) - Weeks after the 2020 election, a Chicago publicist for hip-hop artist Kanye West traveled to the suburban home of Ruby Freeman, a frightened Georgia election worker who was facing death threats after being falsely accused by former President Donald Trump of manipulating votes. The publicist knocked on the door and offered to help.The visitor,

Trevian Kutti,

gave her name but didn’t say she worked for West, a longtime billionaire friend of Trump. She said she was sent by a “high-profile individual,” whom she didn’t identify, to give Freeman an urgent message: confess to Trump’s voter-fraud allegations, or people would come to her home in 48 hours, and she’d go to jail.——-

Some music to enjoy while we watch Mr Trump squirm in his chair as she testifies.

https://youtu.be/pCfFi8SDz6I