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Bruce » 20 Aug 2023, 6:06 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Aug 2023, 6:06 pm

What do racketeers do?

They intimidate witnesses by sending goons.

Rusty Bowers and Giuliano.
 ——Arizona House Speaker Rusty Bowers, a Republican, told the committee during today's hearing about the pressure put on him by former President Donald Trump and his allies, including Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani.Bowers testified that Giuliani told him of allegations of voter fraud committed by undocumented immigrants or dead people who were listed as having voted.Bowers said he and other GOP legislators pushed for explanations into the theories and for Giuliani to provide sufficient evidence to justify recalling the state's presidential electors.
 "In my recollection," Bowers said of Giuliani, "he said, We have lots of theories we just don't have the evidence.'"
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Cool story.
Please show the communications between the conspirators, and the goons. 
 

Pastafarian » 20 Aug 2023, 6:06 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Aug 2023, 6:06 pm

Trump exhausted his legal avenues to contest the election and failed. Anything he does after that to OVERTURN the election is as a crime. 

Trump should have put on his big boy pants and conceded the election. 

You should put on your big boy pants as well, Gulpboy.

Please cite the law, Trump violated that you are referencing here. 
I'll wait. 
 

golfboy » 20 Aug 2023, 6:22 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Aug 2023, 6:22 pm

Cool story.
Please show the communications between the conspirators, and the goons.

The President himself:

Arizona Attorney General Kris Mayes has confirmed she is looking into Arizona Republicans’ scheme to present fake presidential electors to Congress.

 Bowers said the continuing legal battles over the 2020 elections has created a sense of uncertainty for him.

 “I don’t know in the fog where all this goes,” Trump said. “It makes your future a little uncertain. You’re a fish on a line.”

—-

 And Rudy is begging Trump for money.

Will Trump pay?
 
You do realize the same people that claim to have told the story to the Greeks who wrote the mother **** Gospels are helping with trial strategy in Atlanta, don’t you?

This story will be repeated for the next two thousand years, about how the President intimidated these little people, and God heard and answered their cries.

Bruce » 20 Aug 2023, 6:31 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Aug 2023, 6:31 pm

The President himself:

Arizona Attorney General Kris Mayes has confirmed she is looking into Arizona Republicans’ scheme to present fake presidential electors to Congress.

 Bowers said the continuing legal battles over the 2020 elections has created a sense of uncertainty for him.

 “I don’t know in the fog where all this goes,” Trump said. “It makes your future a little uncertain. You’re a fish on a line.”

—-

 And Rudy is begging Trump for money.

Will Trump pay?
 
You do realize the same people that claim to have told the story to the Greeks who wrote the mother **** Gospels are helping with trial strategy in Atlanta, don’t you?

This story will be repeated for the next two thousand years, about how the President intimidated these little people, and God heard and answered their cries.

You really need to stop this ignorant repetitive lie that the alternative electors were criminal. 
They were not. 
 

golfboy » 20 Aug 2023, 6:40 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Aug 2023, 6:40 pm

You really need to stop this ignorant repetitive lie that the alternative electors were criminal. 
They were not.

Hey, put those over in a box.

We are taking plain old fashioned mob boss witness intimidation in furtherance of a criminal enterprise.

Title 18, United States Code § 2 now provides: (a) Whoever commits an offense against the United States or aids, abets, counsels, commands, induces or procures its commission, is punishable as a principal.Jan 17, 2020

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Oh my.

We have Trump telling Bowers in Arizona he’s a fish on a line and back in Georgia we have Kayne sending a goon to intimidate Ruby Freeman in a plane.

What completely pleases me is this reads exactly like a story from the Old Testament.

Let’s guess how all those stories ended for the Hamans.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haman

Bruce » 20 Aug 2023, 6:48 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Aug 2023, 6:48 pm

Hey, put those over in a box.

We are taking plain old fashioned mob boss witness intimidation in furtherance of a criminal enterprise.

Title 18, United States Code § 2 now provides: (a) Whoever commits an offense against the United States or aids, abets, counsels, commands, induces or procures its commission, is punishable as a principal.Jan 17, 2020

—-

Oh my.

We have Trump telling Bowers in Arizona he’s a fish on a line and back in Georgia we have Kayne sending a goon to intimidate Ruby Freeman in a plane.

What completely pleases me is this reads exactly like a story from the Old Testament.

Let’s guess how all those stories ended for the Hamans.

Again, there was no crime committed by Trump or by anyone else in challenging the election. 
Can you explain how exercising a legal activity, is an "offense against the United States"?


 

golfboy » 20 Aug 2023, 5:20 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Aug 2023, 5:20 pm

Bet mainbitch can't tell us what the underlying crime was for Fani Willis' RICO charges.

Georgia RICO laws are totally different than Federal ones.  @golfboy   has never read either.
 

golfboy » 20 Aug 2023, 6:57 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Aug 2023, 6:57 pm

Again, there was no crime committed by Trump or by anyone else in challenging the election. 
Can you explain how exercising a legal activity, is an "offense against the United States"?

Stay with me, just a minute.

Ruby Freeman and Rusty Bowers were cruelly intimidated.  When they testify the MAGAS watching Fox won’t do any more than call Ruby Freemen racial names like they always do, and call Bowers a RINO pedophile, and they’ll wish the intimidation worked, but every Fox viewer will agree (with glee) they were in fact intimidated.

Why will the Fox viewers celebrate intimidating public officials?

Because they think the election was stolen from Trump.

They think they won six states they lost.

Nevada, Arizona, Georgia, Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania.

Oh ****.  Trump for some reason known only to God tried to flat out steal New Mexico, solid blue bottom to top, Democrats all over hell and creation, no chance at all did Trump have in New Mexico.

He didn’t need the votes.  It was added on December 13, they just barely made the false electors certificate up in time.

New Mexico proves the scheme was a plot to reverse the results of an official election and that’s fraud.

So the criminal enterprise was to fraudulently steal the votes of New Mexico.  And the 19 principals (no need to agree) in the Racket intimidated Rusty and Ruby.

By the time this ends everybody in America will call Mike Pence a hero. 

He saved us from a civil war.

Bruce » 20 Aug 2023, 7:36 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Aug 2023, 7:36 pm

Stay with me, just a minute.

Ruby Freeman and Rusty Bowers were cruelly intimidated.  When they testify the MAGAS watching Fox won’t do any more than call Ruby Freemen racial names like they always do, and call Bowers a RINO pedophile, and they’ll wish the intimidation worked, but every Fox viewer will agree (with glee) they were in fact intimidated.

Why will the Fox viewers celebrate intimidating public officials?

Because they think the election was stolen from Trump.

They think they won six states they lost.

Nevada, Arizona, Georgia, Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania.

Oh ****.  Trump for some reason known only to God tried to flat out steal New Mexico, solid blue bottom to top, Democrats all over hell and creation, no chance at all did Trump have in New Mexico.

He didn’t need the votes.  It was added on December 13, they just barely made the false electors certificate up in time.

New Mexico proves the scheme was a plot to reverse the results of an official election and that’s fraud.

So the criminal enterprise was to fraudulently steal the votes of New Mexico.  And the 19 principals (no need to agree) in the Racket intimidated Rusty and Ruby.

By the time this ends everybody in America will call Mike Pence a hero. 

He saved us from a civil war.

Why was the guy who supposedly (without any evidence) threatened Freeman, later interviewing her for over an hour? 
And nothing Trump said to Bowers was intimidation. 

But you know, when liberals know their arguements have failed, the resort to screaming "racist" at everyone they oppose. 

BTW, how many of the States you named, had liberal Secretaries of State who illegally changed voting rules?

And once again, alternative slates of electors is NOT a crime.
And it doesn't matter how many times you claim it is.   That's why no one has been charged regarding that activity. 
 

Pastafarian » 20 Aug 2023, 6:09 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Aug 2023, 6:09 pm

Trump exhausted his avenues to contest the election  Everything he did after that was criminal. In fact, Trump is still committing crimes by witness tampering. 

Trump should have put on his big boy pants and conceded the election. 

You should do the same, incest boy.

Another DUMB kneegrow opens her pie hole and spews out more garbage.

So, kneegrow BOY, you will have NO PROBLEM citing the LAWS he broke now will you??

Either CITE THE STATUTE you allege he broke, or SHUT THE **** UP or be that same stupid  kneegrow you have ALWAYS BEEN!!

Awww. Poor widdle kneegrow. Got her *** kicked again!!

 golfboy
Why was the guy who supposedly (without any evidence) threatened Freeman, later interviewing her for over an hour? 
And nothing Trump said to Bowers was intimidation. 

But you know, when liberals know their arguements have failed, the resort to screaming "racist" at everyone they oppose. 

BTW, how many of the States you named, had liberal Secretaries of State who illegally changed voting rules?

And once again, alternative slates of electors is NOT a crime.
And it doesn't matter how many times you claim it is.   That's why no one has been charged regarding that activity.

Let’s see.  Kayne putting a named principal on a plane to go to Georgia and threaten Ruby with jail is intimidation.  Just that, no more, one public official in Georgia intimidated as hell.

And if the President telling Bowers he was in a fog and was a fish on a line is not the equivalent of an offer he can’t refuse nothing is intimidation of a the Speaker of the Arizona House.

There are many, many more crimes like those, but we only need two.

And one was in Georgia, the other Arizona.

Those two crimes gets a RICO past a dismissal to a jury.

In the Bible Haman was the minister of the King.

Haman had it made.  Every body in in the kingdom had to bow before Haman and one day,, Mordecai didn’t bow and he was a Jew.

This caused Haman to plot to kill all the Jews.

Little did Haman know the sexist wife of the King was a secret Jew named Queen Esther.

When Esther overheard Haman plotting against her people she threw herself before the King, who asked her

What wilt thou, Queen Esther and it shall be given thee to the half of the kingdom

She wanted Haman hung high, and Haman and ten of his sons were hung on a high gallows.

——
 Queen Ruby Freeman 


 Gee, the holder of the Presidental Citizen’s Medal will hang all 19 as high as Haman.

Wonder where they got that idea from, anyway?
 
Oh and by the way New Mexico had over half their Republicans vote early.

New Mexico was flat out stolen. It was as blue as Mississippi is red.  There is nothing any body can ever say to justify those five stolen votes, all of which have names.

Bruce » 20 Aug 2023, 8:30 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Aug 2023, 8:30 pm

Let’s see.  Kayne putting a named principal on a plane to go to Georgia and threaten Ruby with jail is intimidation.  Just that, no more, one public official in Georgia intimidated as hell.

And if the President telling Bowers he was in a fog and was a fish on a line is not the equivalent of an offer he can’t refuse nothing is intimidation of a the Speaker of the Arizona House.

There are many, many more crimes like those, but we only need two.

And one was in Georgia, the other Arizona.

Those two crimes gets a RICO past a dismissal to a jury.

In the Bible Haman was the minister of the King.

Haman had it made.  Every body in in the kingdom had to bow before Haman and one day,, Mordecai didn’t bow and he was a Jew.

This caused Haman to plot to kill all the Jews.

Little did Haman know the sexist wife of the King was a secret Jew named Queen Esther.

When Esther overheard Haman plotting against her people she threw herself before the King, who asked her

What wilt thou, Queen Esther and it shall be given thee to the half of the kingdom

She wanted Haman hung high, and Haman and ten of his sons were hung on a high gallows.

——
 Queen Ruby Freeman 


 Gee, the holder of the Presidental Citizen’s Medal will hang all 19 as high as Haman.

Wonder where they got that idea from, anyway?
 
Oh and by the way New Mexico had over half their Republicans vote early.

New Mexico was flat out stolen. It was as blue as Mississippi is red.  There is nothing any body can ever say to justify those five stolen votes, all of which have names.

Repetition isn't going to suddenly make your claims true. 
If this guy was sent to intimidate Freeman, why did she sit for an hour long interview with him?

You don't have any crimes. 
 

golfboy » 20 Aug 2023, 9:21 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Aug 2023, 9:21 pm

Repetition isn't going to suddenly make your claims true. 
If this guy was sent to intimidate Freeman, why did she sit for an hour long interview with him?

You don't have any crimes.

 One of the people indicted in the Georgia election conspiracy case was Trevian Kutti, a former publicist for Kanye West and R. Kelly.

 In the charging document, Kutti is alleged to have pressured Ruby Freeman, a Fulton County election worker, to admit to committing fraud despite not having done so.

 Kutti, fueled by baseless conspiracies, traveled to Georgia to meet with Freeman, arriving at Freeman's house on Jan. 4, 2021.

 Kutti told Freeman that she was there on behalf of a "high-profile individual," and that if Freeman did not admit to committing election fraud she would be arrested.

 “You are a loose end for a party that needs to tidy up,” Kutti reportedly told Freeman. 

 Kutti faces three felony charges, including soliciting false statements, influencing witnesses and violating Georgia's Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act, or RICO.

 The RICO charges carries up to 20 years in prison and a fine.
——

The way a criminal trial works is fact issues are decided by juries, not judges.

If that’s true that’s two crimes in Georgia, all the state needs to put 19 defendants away for 20 years.

But the odds are nearly 100% Kutti will flip on the others, and quickly.

Kutti was a low level soldier in the racket.

 
 

Bruce » 20 Aug 2023, 9:40 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Aug 2023, 9:40 pm

 One of the people indicted in the Georgia election conspiracy case was Trevian Kutti, a former publicist for Kanye West and R. Kelly.

 In the charging document, Kutti is alleged to have pressured Ruby Freeman, a Fulton County election worker, to admit to committing fraud despite not having done so.

 Kutti, fueled by baseless conspiracies, traveled to Georgia to meet with Freeman, arriving at Freeman's house on Jan. 4, 2021.

 Kutti told Freeman that she was there on behalf of a "high-profile individual," and that if Freeman did not admit to committing election fraud she would be arrested.

 “You are a loose end for a party that needs to tidy up,” Kutti reportedly told Freeman. 

 Kutti faces three felony charges, including soliciting false statements, influencing witnesses and violating Georgia's Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act, or RICO.

 The RICO charges carries up to 20 years in prison and a fine.
——

The way a criminal trial works is fact issues are decided by juries, not judges.

If that’s true that’s two crimes in Georgia, all the state needs to put 19 defendants away for 20 years.

But the odds are nearly 100% Kutti will flip on the others, and quickly.

Kutti was a low level soldier in the racket.

Why don't you answer my question?   Why did Freeman sit in an hour+ interview with Kutti, AFTER he supposedly tried to intimidate her?
 

golfboy » 20 Aug 2023, 9:46 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Aug 2023, 9:46 pm

Why don't you answer my question?   Why did Freeman sit in an hour+ interview with Kutti, AFTER he supposedly tried to intimidate her?

Good point for the defense to bring up at trial.

Kutti tells his side, and the biggest hero in the Fulton County courthouse tells hers and a jury decides.

Now, please understand Kutti was caught in a trap.

A bunch of MENSA level Christians had to have poured through mountains of crimes to say  

****!  That little old Ruby Freeman was a sworn officer of the Fulton County court, and paid in donuts and free coffee!

And a former publicist for THE R. Kelly arrived at an airport on this plane and left on that plane and there’s who paid the tickets and GOTCHA!

He probably believed the election was stolen from Trump. If he’d not got on that plane to Atlanta he’d be another one of fifty million suckers who believed Trump.

There’s no telling what the hour long conversation was but he flew to Georgia to solicit false testimony and intimidate a witness to further the Pence Card plot.


 

Bruce » 20 Aug 2023, 10:01 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Aug 2023, 10:01 pm

Good point for the defense to bring up at trial.

Kutti tells his side, and the biggest hero in the Fulton County courthouse tells hers and a jury decides.

Now, please understand Kutti was caught in a trap.

A bunch of MENSA level Christians had to have poured through mountains of crimes to say  

****!  That little old Ruby Freeman was a sworn officer of the Fulton County court, and paid in donuts and free coffee!

And a former publicist for THE R. Kelly arrived at an airport on this plane and left on that plane and there’s who paid the tickets and GOTCHA!

He probably believed the election was stolen from Trump. If he’d not got on that plane to Atlanta he’d be another one of fifty million suckers who believed Trump.

There’s no telling what the hour long conversation was but he flew to Georgia to solicit false testimony and intimidate a witness to further the Pence Card plot.

Ruby Freeman WAS NOT any "sworn officer of the Court", ****!! MORE of your lies and inventions.

There is ZERO crime committed by talking with someone. SHE didn't have to even open her door to anyone, and never was intimidated by anyone you LYING SACK OF ****!!

Take your "bible lessons" and start APPLYING THEM TO YOUR OWN LIES. It would work better if you SHUT THE **** UP and leave.

Beekeeper » 20 Aug 2023, 6:26 am » wrote: ↑

20 Aug 2023, 6:26 am

So, Fani is going to get her FANNY (***) KICKED ON THIS ONE!! And probably will see the CHARGES DISMISSED TOTALLY AGAINST ALL INVOLVED since she states a "Conspiracy" with NO UNDERLINE CRIME THEY WERE CONSPIRING TO COMMIT!!

Trying to change an election result IS NOT A CRIME AT THE STATE OR  FEDERAL LEVEL, ****!!!

Andrew McCarthy Former US Prosecturor) writes:

"Find me 11,780 votes " is against the law ............ on audio tape

razoo » 21 Aug 2023, 6:26 am » wrote: ↑

21 Aug 2023, 6:26 am

"Find me 11,780 votes " is against the law ............ on audio tape

Trump and his worshippers have been trying to steal the election since Joe Biden was declared the winner........

And Trump threatening people is against the law = that is not his job.

razoo » 21 Aug 2023, 6:26 am » wrote: ↑

21 Aug 2023, 6:26 am

"Find me 11,780 votes " is against the law ............ on audio tape

Hate to tell you you LYING SACK OF DICKS, that's NOT what was said and yes,it's ON TAPE. He NEVER said "find me 11,780 votes"

So there is NO CRIME THERE, DICKFACE!! Even if he DID say those words, which he didn't, there is STILL no crime there. PERIOD!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbFc9T7KXA0

Bruce » 20 Aug 2023, 3:06 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Aug 2023, 3:06 pm

Read the 45 page Jack Smith indictment.

Trump had lost all lawsuits and recounts by early December and the election  was over.

The original Eastman plot was this;

Have “alternate electors” meet on the proper day the actual electors met, Dec 14.  Those alternate electors would file their votes with the Nat Archives.  This happened.

The original Pence Card plot was to have Pence accept the alternate electors as the actual ones and declare Trump winner because of voter fraud (New Mexico included).  The National Guard would have kept Trump in power during expected protests.

Only after Pence refused was what Trump’s lawyer calls  Option D selected, which is what you describe, delay so state legislators could have a chance to nullify votes and send Trump votes.  That’s sheer fantasy, that any would have, and New Mexico is a solid blue state where it’s delusional to even say it out loud.

The Jack Smith indictment is political subterfuge in the ongoing persecution of Trump by the Democrats and the Establishment in an attempt to get him to quit the race .....

​​​​​​nothing more ....nothing less.