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Why Twisting The 14th Amendment To Get Trump Won’t Hold Up In Court
Why Twisting The 14th Amendment To Get Trump Won’t Hold Up In Court
By Majik
25 Aug 2023 6:02 pm in No Holds Barred Political Forum
26 Aug 2023 11:26 am
You mean THIS John Breckenridge, an ACTUAL DEMOCRAT TRAITOR!!Bruce » 26 Aug 2023, 11:14 am » wrote: ↑ We have a bad problem in this nation.
On the eve of the Civil War Vice President Breckinridge counted and granted Abraham Lincoln the electoral votes that cost Breckinridge the 1860 election.
Because of Miss Charlotte, my seven grade teacher, I’ve known that since 1971, when I was 13.
She said it was proof the electoral college could be trusted.
I realize I was blessed by the Lord to have been born a half mile South of Bug Tussle, Missouri. That meant every one of my schoolteachers were as excellent asMiss Charlotte,( except our high school science teacher who was **** one of my classmates who’d been held back a year.)
But if an Ozarks Hillbilly has known what an insurrection was since he was 13 those mother **** at Fox News have no excuses.
If this nation doesn’t stop this, Joe Biden can play the Kamala Harris card, and we might actually get Kamala to join the insurrectionists.
This has to stop, here and now, at Donald Trump.
https://www.nps.gov/mono/learn/historyc ... 75px_1.jpgJohn C. Breckinridge was from Kentucky (a northern state) and graduated from Centre College, in Danville, Kentucky, in 1839. He continued his education at Transylvania University, in Lexington, Kentucky, and was admitted to the bar in 1840.
After serving two terms in the House of Representatives, Breckinridge became the youngest Vice President in the history of the United States under President James Buchanan in 1857, at the age of 36. In the 1860 presidential election he ran for president, but lost to Abraham Lincoln. As he had been elected to the U.S. Senate by the Kentucky legislature in 1859 before his term as Vice President expired, he stayed on in Washington, D.C. to serve as a Senator.
While fulfilling his obligations as a Senator, he came under suspicion as a Confederate sympathizer. In September 1861, an order was issued for his arrest even though he had not committed any treasonous act and was personally opposed to secession. To avoid being jailed, he fled to the South and on November 2, 1861 accepted a commission as a Brigadier General in the Confederate service. Less than a year later on April 14, 1862, following the Battle of Shiloh, Breckinridge was promoted to Major General.
On July 9, 1864, Breckinridge participated in the Battle of Monocacy. He was the second highest ranking officer in Lieutenant General Jubal Early's Army of the Valley District. During the battle, he directed the activities unfolding on the Worthington and Thomas farms, and late in the day, the Confederate forces under his direction were successful in dislodging the Union defenders from the field of battle.
In February 1865, Confederate President Jefferson Davis appointed Breckinridge Secretary of War. He served in that capacity until the war ended in April. After fleeing the country for fear of being put on trial for treason, Breckinridge returned to Lexington, Kentucky in 1869 where he resumed practicing law. He died in Lexington on May 17, 1875.
26 Aug 2023 12:13 pm
--At what point shall we expect the approach of danger? By what means shall we fortify against it?-- Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant, to step the Ocean, and crush us at a blow? Never!--All the armies of Europe, Asia and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth (our own excepted) in their military chest; with a Buonaparte for a commander, could not by force, take a drink from the Ohio, or make a track on the Blue Ridge, in a trial of a thousand years.
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America has two classes of citizens.
Those who will heed Lincoln’s warning against the rise of a demagogue and those part of the mob attempting to bring down our temple of democracy, law, and liberty.
https://www.abrahamlincolnonline.org/li ... lyceum.htm
—-Lyceum Address
As one of Abraham Lincoln's earliest published speeches, this address has been much scrutinized and debated by historians, who see broad implications for his later public policies. Lincoln was 28 years old at the time he gave this speech and had recently moved from a struggling pioneer village to Springfield, Illinois.William Herndon, who would become Lincoln's law partner in 1844, describes the event this way: "we had a society in Springfield, which contained and commanded all the culture and talent of the place. Unlike the other one its meetings were public, and reflected great credit on the community ... The speech was brought out by the burning in St. Louis a few weeks before, by a mob, of a negro. Lincoln took this incident as a sort of text for his remarks ... The address was published in the Sangamon Journal and created for the young orator a reputation which soon extended beyond the limits of the locality in which he lived."
The Perpetuation of Our Political Institutions:
Address Before the Young Men's Lyceum of Springfield, Illinois
January 27, 1838
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Thank you Miss Charlotte, who made me recite Lincoln’s Lyceum Address before the entire seventh grade.
Of course, I’d heard it first as a toddler, thanks to my my Angel mother.
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America has two classes of citizens.
Those who will heed Lincoln’s warning against the rise of a demagogue and those part of the mob attempting to bring down our temple of democracy, law, and liberty.
https://www.abrahamlincolnonline.org/li ... lyceum.htm
—-Lyceum Address
As one of Abraham Lincoln's earliest published speeches, this address has been much scrutinized and debated by historians, who see broad implications for his later public policies. Lincoln was 28 years old at the time he gave this speech and had recently moved from a struggling pioneer village to Springfield, Illinois.William Herndon, who would become Lincoln's law partner in 1844, describes the event this way: "we had a society in Springfield, which contained and commanded all the culture and talent of the place. Unlike the other one its meetings were public, and reflected great credit on the community ... The speech was brought out by the burning in St. Louis a few weeks before, by a mob, of a negro. Lincoln took this incident as a sort of text for his remarks ... The address was published in the Sangamon Journal and created for the young orator a reputation which soon extended beyond the limits of the locality in which he lived."
The Perpetuation of Our Political Institutions:
Address Before the Young Men's Lyceum of Springfield, Illinois
January 27, 1838
—-
Thank you Miss Charlotte, who made me recite Lincoln’s Lyceum Address before the entire seventh grade.
Of course, I’d heard it first as a toddler, thanks to my my Angel mother.
26 Aug 2023 9:29 pm
Ah... okay, so you can quote the indictments saying Trump fomented an insurrection.maineman » 26 Aug 2023, 8:04 am » wrote: ↑ ^^^proof positive that golfbaby didn’t read the articles of impeachment.
Get to it, boy.
You won't because it doesn't exist.
26 Aug 2023 9:40 pm
True.golfboy » 26 Aug 2023, 9:29 pm » wrote: ↑ Ah... okay, so you can quote the indictments saying Trump fomented an insurrection.
Get to it, boy.
You won't because it doesn't exist.
Trump’s insurrection was so rare and unexpected the press refers to it as “election interference”.
In New York Trump tried to deduct hush money paid to whores.
In Florida Trump tried talking the janitorial staff at Mar a Largo into destroying subpoenaed evidence.
And Jack Smith indicted Trump alone in Washington DC for election interference but Trump hopes he can be elected President and pardon himself.
In Georgia Fani Willis indicted a gang of 19 insurrectionists under RICO statutes for a plot to steal an election using Mike Pence, who didn’t join the insurrection.
Willis has a black insurrectionist in the Atlanta jail.
How many days before he squeals?
26 Aug 2023 9:44 pm
Can you read what you wrote?golfboy » 26 Aug 2023, 9:29 pm » wrote: ↑ Ah... okay, so you can quote the indictments saying Trump fomented an insurrection.
Get to it, boy.
You won't because it doesn't exist.
“Please tell me why Trump has been impeached twice, and indicted 4 times, and no one has alleged he led an insurrection?”
No one?
The second impeachment accuses him of precisely that.
26 Aug 2023 9:48 pm
Did you know being a lesbian was not criminal at common law because men couldn’t imagine women doing such things, or maybe they wanted to watch.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_v._State
No President since 1790 has ever engaged in an insurrection to have the vice President unlawfully declare him the winner of a lost election.
It’s clearly insurrection.
In Georgia it’s under the forgery statutes.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_v._State
No President since 1790 has ever engaged in an insurrection to have the vice President unlawfully declare him the winner of a lost election.
It’s clearly insurrection.
In Georgia it’s under the forgery statutes.
27 Aug 2023 7:29 am
Bruce » 26 Aug 2023, 10:18 am » wrote: ↑ Yes they did. It cost 300,000 dead United States soldiers to put down that rebellion.
Republicans drafted and passed the 14th Amendment.
The 14th amendment has no exception for Trumpists.
And, using the 14th Amendment as it was intended would get a full vote count of members of Congress who could vote to remove the disability.
All Confederates who served the United States before the Confederacy were pardoned by Congress in 1872
Prior Enforcement
There is a relatively limited history of Section 3 enforcement, largely because Congress granted amnesty to former Confederates in 1872. However, the existing record establishes that a variety of actors, including state officials and courts, federal prosecutors, and Congress itself, have enforced the disqualification clause. Congress passed the Ku Klux Klan Act (also sometimes referred to as the “Enforcement Act”) shortly after ratifying the 14th Amendment.13 The legislation included a statutory directive to federal district attorneys to petition courts for a writ of quo warranto — a legal action that challenges the right of an official to hold office and allows a court to remove an unauthorized officeholder — to remove any covered official who would be disqualified from holding office under the 14th Amendment.14Federal prosecutors brought several cases under this provision.15Two years after passing the legislation, Congress “removed such disability” by passing the Amnesty Act of 1872, allowing most former Confederates to hold office despite the disqualification clause (and mooting several prosecutions then underway). The Ku Klux Klan Act was later repealed, so the explicit cause of action for district attorneys to enforce the provisions is no longer operative.16However, beyond this federal legislation, Congress also possesses its own internal mechanisms to enforce Section 3 against its members. The Senate and the House of Representatives have both exercised their exclusive constitutional authority to exclude or disqualify individuals by refusing to seat them and citing the disqualification clause.17States have also enforced Section 3 against their officials, both before and after the passage and repeal of the Ku Klux Klan Act. In one early example, county commissioners in North Carolina refused to induct a man who had been elected Sheriff due to his service to the Confederate government in the same position.18 This action was eventually approved by the North Carolina Supreme Court; the United States Supreme Court dismissed the sheriff’s appeal.19 The most recent Section 3 disqualification occurred in September 2022, when a New Mexico court disqualified county commissioner Couy Griffin in a state-law quo warranto lawsuit brought by New Mexico residents.20 Other enforcement actions earlier in 2022 have also yielded important legal precedent, even though they did not result in findings of disqualification.21p
So the real traitors are democrats..... NICE
27 Aug 2023 5:38 pm
I stand corrected. He was acquitted of that ignorant charge.maineman » 26 Aug 2023, 9:44 pm » wrote: ↑ Can you read what you wrote?
“Please tell me why Trump has been impeached twice, and indicted 4 times, and no one has alleged he led an insurrection?”
No one?
The second impeachment accuses him of precisely that.
Because like everything else, liberals lied.
Weird how they omitted the statements about Peacefully protesting and making your voices heard, isn't it?
27 Aug 2023 5:41 pm
There never has been, in the history of the world, an unarmed insurrection.Bruce » 26 Aug 2023, 9:40 pm » wrote: ↑ True.
Trump’s insurrection was so rare and unexpected the press refers to it as “election interference”.
In New York Trump tried to deduct hush money paid to whores.
In Florida Trump tried talking the janitorial staff at Mar a Largo into destroying subpoenaed evidence.
And Jack Smith indicted Trump alone in Washington DC for election interference but Trump hopes he can be elected President and pardon himself.
In Georgia Fani Willis indicted a gang of 19 insurrectionists under RICO statutes for a plot to steal an election using Mike Pence, who didn’t join the insurrection.
Willis has a black insurrectionist in the Atlanta jail.
How many days before he squeals?
It's hilarious watching liberals claim the most highly armed people in the U.S. tried to overthrow the government without the use of arms.
27 Aug 2023 6:19 pm
he was acquitted politically, not criminally.golfboy » 27 Aug 2023, 5:38 pm » wrote: ↑ I stand corrected. He was acquitted of that ignorant charge.
Because like everything else, liberals lied.
Weird how they omitted the statements about Peacefully protesting and making your voices heard, isn't it?
27 Aug 2023 6:24 pm
Impeachment is a completely political act, Room Temp.
27 Aug 2023 6:42 pm
exactly... and politically, the GOP senators checked their spines along with their coats and most of them voted to let him loose.
That was my point. Did you understand how I said he was acquitted politically but NOT criminally?
Word soup?
27 Aug 2023 7:00 pm
They voted to let him loose because the impeachment was a failure.maineman » 27 Aug 2023, 6:42 pm » wrote: ↑ exactly... and politically, the GOP senators checked their spines along with their coats and most of them voted to let him loose.
That was my point. Did you understand how I said he was acquitted politically but NOT criminally?
Word soup?
Schiff and the scum lied about everything, and those lies were exposed during the "trial".
27 Aug 2023 7:06 pm
your opinion. It doesn't change the fact that you got confused in the word soup bowl and didn't realize that you have contradicted yourself.golfboy » 27 Aug 2023, 7:00 pm » wrote: ↑ They voted to let him loose because the impeachment was a failure.
Schiff and the scum lied about everything, and those lies were exposed during the "trial".
poor little aphasic retard. Room Temp? You'd need to sit on a hot plate to get to room temp.
27 Aug 2023 7:12 pm
Not just my opinion, but also that of the Senate.maineman » 27 Aug 2023, 7:06 pm » wrote: ↑ your opinion. It doesn't change the fact that you got confused in the word soup bowl and didn't realize that you have contradicted yourself.
poor little aphasic retard. Room Temp? You'd need to sit on a hot plate to get to room temp.
Sorry, sucks to be you.
Can't teach a Room Temp IQ anything.
27 Aug 2023 7:56 pm
it was not the opinion of the senate. A majority of senators voted to convict him....hot plate.golfboy » 27 Aug 2023, 7:12 pm » wrote: ↑ Not just my opinion, but also that of the Senate.
Sorry, sucks to be you.
Can't teach a Room Temp IQ anything.
27 Aug 2023 7:57 pm
And once again, mainbitch doesn't know how the Senate works.maineman » 27 Aug 2023, 7:56 pm » wrote: ↑ it was not the opinion of the senate. A majority of senators voted to convict him....hot plate.
Room Temp IQ
27 Aug 2023 8:26 pm
Little @maineman doesn't know how the Senate VOTE works in an impeachment either.golfboy » 27 Aug 2023, 7:57 pm » wrote: ↑ And once again, mainbitch doesn't know how the Senate works.
Room Temp IQ
But his daughter is supposed to be one fine piece of tail!!
27 Aug 2023 8:42 pm
Of course I do. The fact remains, the senate acquitted him only because a handful of republican senators joined the democrats in voting to convict him and the total fell under the 67 votes needed to remove him from office. 57 senators, a clear majority, wanted him gone. And, as you pointed out, you were wrong in that no one has called him to task for inciting an insurrection. a MAJORITY of US Senators did. Hot plate.golfboy » 27 Aug 2023, 7:57 pm » wrote: ↑ And once again, mainbitch doesn't know how the Senate works.
Room Temp IQ
27 Aug 2023 8:49 pm
The fact remains that Trump did nothing wrong, and you idiots fell flat on your face.maineman » 27 Aug 2023, 8:42 pm » wrote: ↑ Of course I do. The fact remains, the senate acquitted him only because a handful of republican senators joined the democrats in voting to convict him and the total fell under the 67 votes needed to remove him from office. 57 senators, a clear majority, wanted him gone. And, as you pointed out, you were wrong in that no one has called him to task for inciting an insurrection. a MAJORITY of US Senators did. Hot plate.
******* Room Temp.
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