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ConservativeWave » 10 Sep 2023, 9:16 am » wrote: ↑

10 Sep 2023, 9:16 am

THAT is a LIE !!   ...and I think YOU HAVE to KNOW it !

tell me one court of law in the entire United States that agrees with you.

maineman » 10 Sep 2023, 7:06 am » wrote: ↑

10 Sep 2023, 7:06 am

there is no credible evidence of ballot box stuffing.  none.

na, non whatsofever!  hahahahaha

making inroads, used to be "no evidence", now it no credible! hahahaha

sunburn » 10 Sep 2023, 9:56 am » wrote: ↑

10 Sep 2023, 9:56 am

na, non whatsofever!  hahahahaha

making inroads, used to be "no evidence", now it no credible! hahahaha

Every court in the land - many of them with Trump-appointed judges - that has heard a Kraken-filed lawsuit has dismissed it.

I agree with you that that is some funny ****!

In the final analysis, there is evidence and there is credible evidence.

Let's say a lawyer in court offered up, as evidence, an affidavit signed by twenty "astronomers" that attested to the fact that the earth was actually a flat disk and the sun revolved around it.   That affidavit might very well be entered as "evidence", but it certainly isn't "credible".

Does that clear that up for you @sunburn  ?
 
 

maineman » 10 Sep 2023, 10:01 am » wrote: ↑

10 Sep 2023, 10:01 am

Every court in the land - many of them with Trump-appointed judges - that has heard a Kraken-filed lawsuit has dismissed it.

I agree with you that that is some funny ****!

well, there's more than the "Kraken" case.

sunburn » 10 Sep 2023, 10:17 am » wrote: ↑

10 Sep 2023, 10:17 am

well, there's more than the "Kraken" case.

name one case that alleged voter fraud that has not been dismissed.
and the term Kraken filed lawsuit refers to the host of lawsuits filed by Trump's horde of lawyers who referred to themselves as "team Kraken".

maineman » 10 Sep 2023, 10:19 am » wrote: ↑

10 Sep 2023, 10:19 am

name one case that alleged voter fraud that has not been dismissed.

  generally for technicalities.

it's not a 2020 case, but the Kari Lake case involving voter signature verification was dismisssed, by a Judge that was accused of being involved.
The ruled all of the ballots had been verified.............250000+ in  seconds!
Now, a federal judge says the Arizona voter signature verification is no good. Same signatures HAVE  to match! If it wasn't 'good' then it certainly wasn't 'good' in 2020.
Can you add?  Do some simple deduction?
It's all the same, courts don't want to open this can of worms or are just completely complicit.

maineman » 10 Sep 2023, 9:19 am » wrote: ↑

10 Sep 2023, 9:19 am

tell me one court of law in the entire United States that agrees with you.

Lets talk about the COURT Arizona, AND the COURT of Common Sense...

1.  HOW can Ballots be counted when the signature verification & matching process separates the signature from the ballot after receipt, and can NEVER be RE-ASSOCIATED with a ballot for verification purposes EVER again? Arizona court found the Arizonas process GROSSLY inadequate.. and THEY are not alone !

https://www.ntd.com/court-finds-arizona ... 40548.html

2.  Under such systems HOW can ballot "Drop" boxes be OPEN and UNSECURED, at all hours of the day and night... without ANYONE even QUESTIONING the authenticity nor legality of the ballots found inside?

3.  The 2000 Mules documentary SHOWED and PROVED that ballots were being dropped... during the wee house of the night... without control or security, and OPEN for FRAUD... in at least ONE city...  SO, the likelihood of OTHER and POTENTIALLY MASSIVE FRAUD is HIGH...   Question: WHO EVER signed off on THIS "Voting Process", and WHY ??

THIS ALONE is adequate for Donald Trump to prove that HE BELIEVED, and RIGHTFULLY SO, that the elections across the NATION... may have been rigged !!  ...and "Reasonable Doubt" is a very LOW standard !!

I REST my case !

maineman » 10 Sep 2023, 7:08 am » wrote: ↑

10 Sep 2023, 7:08 am

I side with the constitution and with democracy.

you are an insurrectionist.

you deserve to be asked the question, "Blindfold or not?", before being dispatched to hell.

No, you don't........You are a fool whom has sided with the  very establishment that your party corrupted and subverted and which no longer cares about the constitution beyond trying to manipulate and twist it  for their/ your own political gain and thirst for absolute domination over America and Americans which isn't democracy anymore but the start of a tyrannical one party dictatorship propped up by a corrupt Beauracracy, MSM a D Judiciary hell bent on destroying this once great democracy and the only opposition to it's tyrannical ambitions .....

You are more like the cowards  of the national socialist party in the mid to late 30's knowing full well where Hitler was headed but did not care as long as life was good for you and you were not the one being vilified or a  member of a party that was being vilified by the Nazi establishment ....
and I think our forefathers would have had you and your ilk dispatched to hell if they were alive today .....

 

maineman » 10 Sep 2023, 10:19 am » wrote: ↑

10 Sep 2023, 10:19 am

name one case that alleged voter fraud that has not been dismissed.
and the term Kraken filed lawsuit refers to the host of lawsuits filed by Trump's horde of lawyers who referred to themselves as "team Kraken".

Dismissed by cowardly judges that were to afraid of the ramifications and consequences of ruining the reputation of American democracy while also protecting the very establishment and political party which would have been destroyed by allowing all of those court cases to proceed .....
and what good did it do ....Maineman?

 

Majik » 10 Sep 2023, 1:31 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Sep 2023, 1:31 pm

Dismissed by cowardly judges that were to afraid of the ramifications and consequences of ruining the reputation of American democracy while also protecting the very establishment and political party which would have been destroyed by allowing all of those court cases to proceed .....
and what good did it do ....Maineman?

So it's your assertion that Trump nominated a host of cowards to the Federal bench?  And now you want to send him back so he can have four MORE years to destroy the Judicial branch of government?  W   T   F   ??????

Majik » 10 Sep 2023, 1:21 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Sep 2023, 1:21 pm

No, you don't........You are a fool whom[sic] has sided with the  very establishment that your party corrupted and subverted and which no longer cares about the constitution beyond trying to manipulate and twist it  for their/ your own political gain and thirst for absolute domination over America and Americans which isn't democracy anymore but the start of a tyrannical one party dictatorship propped up by a corrupt Beauracracy, MSM a D Judiciary hell bent on destroying this once great democracy and the only opposition to it's [sic] tyrannical ambitions .....

You are more like the cowards  of the national socialist party in the mid to late 30's knowing full well where Hitler was headed but did not care as long as life was good for you and you were not the one being vilified or a  member of a party that was being vilified by the Nazi establishment ....
and I think our forefathers would have had you and your ilk dispatched to hell if they were alive today .....

cool story.

LOSER!        
 

maineman » 10 Sep 2023, 9:19 am » wrote: ↑

10 Sep 2023, 9:19 am

tell me one court of law in the entire United States that agrees with you.

Show me one court of law that was willing to side with the American people instead of protecting their precious corrupt establishment ......
 

Majik » 10 Sep 2023, 1:36 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Sep 2023, 1:36 pm

Show me one court of law that was willing to side with the American people instead of protecting their precious corrupt establishment ......

All of them.  They all followed the letter of the law.  prove me wrong, counselor.

maineman » 10 Sep 2023, 1:41 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Sep 2023, 1:41 pm

All of them.  They all followed the letter of the law.  prove me wrong, counselor.

Wrong.
show me one that allowed discovery ....
and while you are at it ......
show me one of those cases that wasn't dismissed at the discretion of a Judge presiding over them...?.

 

maineman » 10 Sep 2023, 1:33 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Sep 2023, 1:33 pm

So it's your assertion that Trump nominated a host of cowards to the Federal bench?  And now you want to send him back so he can have four MORE years to destroy the Judicial branch of government?  W   T   F   ??????

It's NOT the Government who is the victim here... BUT the IDIOT Democrat STILL tries to make the case !!  However, THERE IS NO CASE... CASE CLOSED !!

The ONLY cases to be made, are:

1)  Joe Biden, the Democrat Party, and the Deep State have WEAPONIZED the Federal Government.. and THEY are gong AFTER Donald Trump with ALL they have !

2)  The DOJ, FBI, CIA and other agencies have IGNORED Biden family CORRUPTION, EXTORTION, BRIBERY, LARCENY... THAT they could have PROSECUTED a DOZEN times over, LET the statute of limitations expire, HID critical Evidence, and TRIED to negotiate a sweetheart deal... INSTEAD of Prosecuting... AND INSTEAD,

3)  ACCUSED Donald Trump of "Russian Collusion" <FAILED>, ACCUSED Donald Trump of Abuse of Power in Ukraine <FAILED> (but Joe Biden ADMITTED it) !! and now have ACCUSED Donald Trump of Election Fraud, and trying to STEAL an Elections... when it was the DOJ, FBI, CIA, and DEEP STATE who are the MOST GUILTY of it !!

Is there any wonder that the American People have CAUGHT ON... have DECIDED to support Donald Trump IN SPITE of the Indictments... and MOE and MORE people seem to be coming on the Donald Trump bandwagon IN SPITE of the CORRUPT DOJ Indictments !!

HA!!  YOU will SEE !!

ConservativeWave » 10 Sep 2023, 2:07 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Sep 2023, 2:07 pm

It's NOT the Government who is the victim here... BUT the IDIOT Democrat STILL tries to make the case !!  However, THERE IS NO CASE... CASE CLOSED !!

The ONLY cases to be made, are:

1)  Joe Biden, the Democrat Party, and the Deep State have WEAPONIZED the Federal Government.. and THEY are gong AFTER Donald Trump with ALL they have !

2)  The DOJ, FBI, CIA and other agencies have IGNORED Biden family CORRUPTION, EXTORTION, BRIBERY, LARCENY... THAT they could have PROSECUTED a DOZEN times over, LET the statute of limitations expire, HID critical Evidence, and TRIED to negotiate a sweetheart deal... INSTEAD of Prosecuting... AND INSTEAD,

3)  ACCUSED Donald Trump of "Russian Collusion" <FAILED>, ACCUSED Donald Trump of Abuse of Power in Ukraine <FAILED> (but Joe Biden ADMITTED it) !! and now have ACCUSED Donald Trump of Election Fraud, and trying to STEAL an Elections... when it was the DOJ, FBI, CIA, and DEEP STATE who are the MOST GUILTY of it !!

Is there any wonder that the American People have CAUGHT ON... have DECIDED to support Donald Trump IN SPITE of the Indictments... and MOE and MORE people seem to be coming on the Donald Trump bandwagon IN SPITE of the CORRUPT DOJ Indictments !!

HA!!  YOU will SEE !!

Did you forget about all the Team Kraken court cases challenging the 2020 election that were ALL thrown out by judges of every stripe - including many Trump-appointed ones - in the MONTHS of continuous bitching by the right after the election and before 1/6/21?????  

maineman » 10 Sep 2023, 1:33 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Sep 2023, 1:33 pm

So it's your assertion that Trump nominated a host of cowards to the Federal bench?  And now you want to send him back so he can have four MORE years to destroy the Judicial branch of government?  W   T   F   ??????

No, it's my assertion that No Judge regardless of political leanings would allow themselves to be the one that presided over a case that would have brought the whole system down  as well as ruin the reputation of the country they swore an oath to serve and protect .
If you were a Judge would you chance it .....?
honestly ?




 

Majik » 10 Sep 2023, 2:04 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Sep 2023, 2:04 pm

Wrong.
show me one that allowed discovery ....
and while you are at it ......
show me one of those cases that wasn't dismissed at the discretion of a Judge presiding over them...?.

Are you saying that the law does not allow judges to dismiss cases for lack of evidence?

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/trum ... -wipe-out/

Discovery is not a guaranteed right.  If cases are clearly without merit, judges can dismiss them after initial pleadings and before discovery.

Here's a great article you should read:

https://theconversation.com/why-trumps- ... lts-150505

In one of several PA caes, Trump's attorneys actually filed a document that said, “Petitioners do not allege, and there is no evidence of, any fraud in connection with the challenged ballots; Petitioners do not allege, and there is no evidence of, any misconduct in connection with the challenged ballots; Petitioners do not allege, and there is no evidence of, any impropriety in connection with the challenged ballots; Petitioners do not allege, and there is no evidence of, any undue influence committed with respect to the challenged ballots.”
 
 
 

Majik » 10 Sep 2023, 2:13 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Sep 2023, 2:13 pm

No, it's my assertion that No Judge regardless of political leanings would allow themselves to be the one that presided over a case that would have brought the whole system down  as well as ruin the reputation of the country they swore an oath to serve and protect .
If you were a Judge would you chance it .....?
honestly ?

If I were a judge, I would follow the law.  If I saw any evidence of systemic voter fraud, I would rule accordingly.  I would certainly allow discovery, and a hearing and, if Team Trump could prove systemic voter fraud had occurred, I would uphold such and force the state to conduct a new election or to throw out the ballots that Trump has proven were cast fraudulently.

Allegations, unfounded assertions, and "statistical anomalies" wouldn't cut it in my courtroom.  Facts.  Hard incontrovertible evidence would