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Is immunity a form of blackmail.
Is immunity a form of blackmail.
By PhiloBeddo
7 Sep 2023 12:08 pm in No Holds Barred Political Forum
7 Sep 2023 6:31 pm
So as long as it's a big enough fish, then coercing a witness into burying the target is perfectly acceptable.impartialobserver » 07 Sep 2023, 6:01 pm » wrote: ↑ In closing, offering immunity to a codefendant or simply a witness involved in another case, would not be the first tool in my belt. However, there could be relatively rare times where it is needed. It would depend on mostly how big the prize is. If the primary defendant (one that I am really wanting to get) is someone who is charged with one count of armed robbery.. probably not necessary. Now if it is the head of a drug kingpin and there are possibly dozens of charges and I have only only one witness (one that has committed crimes connected or not to the primary).. then this may be of use.
I'm a true crime buff. I love the stuff. There are literally thousands of convictions every year that are based on nothing more than questionable testimony from a shady witness that got some kind of benefit for making the statement against the defendant under oath.
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7 Sep 2023 6:40 pm
RedheadedStranger » 07 Sep 2023, 6:31 pm » wrote: ↑ So as long as it's a big enough fish, then coercing a witness into burying the target is perfectly acceptable.
I'm a true crime buff. I love the stuff. There are literally thousands of convictions every year that are based on nothing more than questionable testimony from a shady witness that got some kind of benefit for making the statement against the defendant under oath.
as am I. But you assume quite a bit. First, that I am forcing the other witness into it. Second, you always assume that they are lying.
"shady witness".. does not automatically mean that they were given immunity or that they are involved in any sort of investigation.
7 Sep 2023 6:50 pm
I'm not saying that the prosecutor is always forcing the witness to participate either but sure that happens in the form of "do this or you'll burn" kind of hints from the prosecutor. Quite often it's the witness themselves initiating the deal to try and get themselves a break.impartialobserver » 07 Sep 2023, 6:40 pm » wrote: ↑ as am I. But you assume quite a bit. First, that I am forcing the other witness into it. Second, you always assume that they are lying.
"shady witness".. does not automatically mean that they were given immunity or that they are involved in any sort of investigation.
All I'm saying is that offering a deal or some sort of break is motive for the criminal getting said break to "testify" to exactly what the prosecution wants to hear, regardless of the truth.
It's quid pro quo. Trump got impeached for less ya know. Lol
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people
7 Sep 2023 6:55 pm
Not his second impeachment.That’s for damn sure.RedheadedStranger » 07 Sep 2023, 6:50 pm » wrote: ↑ I'm not saying that the prosecutor is always forcing the witness to participate either but sure that happens in the form of "do this or you'll burn" kind of hints from the prosecutor. Quite often it's the witness themselves initiating the deal to try and get themselves a break.
All I'm saying is that offering a deal or some sort of break is motive for the criminal getting said break to "testify" to exactly what the prosecution wants to hear, regardless of the truth.
It's quid pro quo. Trump got impeached for less ya know. Lol
7 Sep 2023 6:57 pm
RedheadedStranger » 07 Sep 2023, 6:50 pm » wrote: ↑ I'm not saying that the prosecutor is always forcing the witness to participate either but sure that happens in the form of "do this or you'll burn" kind of hints from the prosecutor. Quite often it's the witness themselves initiating the deal to try and get themselves a break.
All I'm saying is that offering a deal or some sort of break is motive for the criminal getting said break to "testify" to exactly what the prosecution wants to hear, regardless of the truth.
It's quid pro quo. Trump got impeached for less ya know. Lol
If you were the prosecutor and you proved that the other witness' story was correct.. would you still not do this? Robert Yates and Gary Ridgeway were mostly brought down due to cops looking the other way with prostitutes and getting info from them.
7 Sep 2023 7:17 pm
Prosecutor to defendant. You tell the lie I have written for you, and I will give you immunity and you can go free. We both get what we want.
7 Sep 2023 7:31 pm
Quid pro quo.PhiloBeddo » 07 Sep 2023, 7:17 pm » wrote: ↑ Prosecutor to defendant. You tell the lie I have written for you, and I will give you immunity and you can go free. We both get what we want.
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people
7 Sep 2023 7:32 pm
that’s illegal and grounds for disbarment.PhiloBeddo » 07 Sep 2023, 7:17 pm » wrote: ↑ Prosecutor to defendant. You tell the lie I have written for you, and I will give you immunity and you can go free. We both get what we want.
7 Sep 2023 7:35 pm
It happens more than you know without any reprocussions.
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7 Sep 2023 7:35 pm
So is speeding and cheating on your taxes. Only if you get caught.
7 Sep 2023 7:38 pm
That is apples and oranges.impartialobserver » 07 Sep 2023, 6:57 pm » wrote: ↑ If you were the prosecutor and you proved that the other witness' story was correct.. would you still not do this? Robert Yates and Gary Ridgeway were mostly brought down due to cops looking the other way with prostitutes and getting info from them.
Detectives not busting hookers so the ladies will give them information to help the catch a serial killer is nothing like a criminal testifying under oath for the prosecution because said prosecution is cutting them a deal.
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8 Sep 2023 2:07 am
Grasping and flailing again?PhiloBeddo » 07 Sep 2023, 12:08 pm » wrote: ↑ A way for Government to get someone to lie to get a false conviction. It's fun and games now for Democrats. But what happens when it's done to them.
8 Sep 2023 2:08 am
Nope.PhiloBeddo » 07 Sep 2023, 7:35 pm » wrote: ↑ So is speeding and cheating on your taxes. Only if you get caught.
Not grounds for disbarrment.
8 Sep 2023 1:01 pm
Hyperbole much. You eat **** three times a day.RedheadedStranger » 07 Sep 2023, 7:35 pm » wrote: ↑ It happens more than you know without any reprocussions.
Im sure it happens occasionally but not always as you suggest.
8 Sep 2023 1:33 pm
Retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn is as big of a fish as they come.RedheadedStranger » 07 Sep 2023, 6:31 pm » wrote: ↑ So as long as it's a big enough fish, then coercing a witness into burying the target is perfectly acceptable.
I'm a true crime buff. I love the stuff. There are literally thousands of convictions every year that are based on nothing more than questionable testimony from a shady witness that got some kind of benefit for making the statement against the defendant under oath.
8 Sep 2023 2:01 pm
Dem machine is EVIL. Who payed Blasie Ford to lie about Kavanagh. Who made up the fake Russian collusion. Who is pushing prosecutors to make phony charges against Trump. Selling us out to other countries.
8 Sep 2023 2:16 pm
There are legal questions about Trump’s four indictments but hardly any factual questions.PhiloBeddo » 08 Sep 2023, 2:01 pm » wrote: ↑ Dem machine is EVIL. Who payed Blasie Ford to lie about Kavanagh. Who made up the fake Russian collusion. Who is pushing prosecutors to make phony charges against Trump. Selling us out to other countries.
As these drag on more and more decent Republicans will learn their idol is a con man.
8 Sep 2023 2:24 pm
if a hundred guilty go free, it's better than ONE being falsely charged!impartialobserver » 07 Sep 2023, 12:19 pm » wrote: ↑ Imagine that you have a witness in a murder investigation who can give you the information that you need but they have some baggage.... In some cases, this is the one and only way that you will get a conviction. So would you still contend its not right?
8 Sep 2023 2:25 pm
then all of the blacks in prison were correctly charged!Pastafarian » 08 Sep 2023, 1:01 pm » wrote: ↑ Hyperbole much. You eat **** three times a day.
Im sure it happens occasionally but not always as you suggest.
8 Sep 2023 4:34 pm
Some not all.
Prosecutors don’t file false police reports, the police do.
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