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An EV might be useful in town...for short trips.  The really bad part is Charlotte to Memphis is only 629 mile...easy one day drive that they scheduled over 4 days.

https://www.yahoo.com/autos/ev-road-tri ... 23954.html

When the US Secretary of Energy and her team embarked on a road trip to promote electric vehicles, they ran into a predictable yet frustrating obstacle: a lack of electric vehicle chargers.

Indeed, there are only about three electric vehicle charging ports for every 10,000 people in the United States, Insider reported in April.

The scarcity of chargers was such an issue for Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm and her team that the police got involved at one point, NPR reported.

The caravan of electric vehicles heading from Charlotte to Memphis over the course of four days hit a snag in Grovestown, Georgia. The group was planning a quick charge when they realized there wouldn't be enough electric vehicle chargers to go around since one was broken and the others were in use, NPR reported.

So an employee from the Department of Energy tried to save one of the spots using a gas-powered car.

It was a sweltering day and the move didn't go over well with a family that was also waiting for a charging spot. The situation escalated to the point that the family, driving with a baby in their car, called the police, who didn't have the authority to act because blocking an EV charging spot with a gas-power car isn't illegal in Georgia, NPR reported.

While Granholm and her team worked to smooth things over, ultimately ceding a spot to the family and relegating some of their own vehicles to slower charging ports, the incident drew attention to the desperate need for improved EV infrastructure.

"It's just par for the course," a bystander driving an electric BMW told NPR. "They'll get it together at some point."

 
 

              Still remarkable to me that people enthusiastically bought these EVS ---- knowing the Recharging Logistics were not even remotely adequate...

 Not only aren't there enough Charging Stations, but it still takes between 30 minutes to over an hour to charge your battery------ Now imagine if the charging station is full of customers, and you have 3 or 4 people ahead of you... **** idiots
 

ConsRule » 11 Sep 2023, 8:34 am » wrote: ↑

11 Sep 2023, 8:34 am

An EV might be useful in town...for short trips.  The really bad part is Charlotte to Memphis is only 629 mile...easy one day drive that they scheduled over 4 days.

https://www.yahoo.com/autos/ev-road-tri ... 23954.html

When the US Secretary of Energy and her team embarked on a road trip to promote electric vehicles, they ran into a predictable yet frustrating obstacle: a lack of electric vehicle chargers.

Indeed, there are only about three electric vehicle charging ports for every 10,000 people in the United States, Insider reported in April.

The scarcity of chargers was such an issue for Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm and her team that the police got involved at one point, NPR reported.

The caravan of electric vehicles heading from Charlotte to Memphis over the course of four days hit a snag in Grovestown, Georgia. The group was planning a quick charge when they realized there wouldn't be enough electric vehicle chargers to go around since one was broken and the others were in use, NPR reported.

So an employee from the Department of Energy tried to save one of the spots using a gas-powered car.

It was a sweltering day and the move didn't go over well with a family that was also waiting for a charging spot. The situation escalated to the point that the family, driving with a baby in their car, called the police, who didn't have the authority to act because blocking an EV charging spot with a gas-power car isn't illegal in Georgia, NPR reported.

While Granholm and her team worked to smooth things over, ultimately ceding a spot to the family and relegating some of their own vehicles to slower charging ports, the incident drew attention to the desperate need for improved EV infrastructure.

"It's just par for the course," a bystander driving an electric BMW told NPR. "They'll get it together at some point."

The EV market is about to take a huge dump.

There is unprecedented inventory just sitting because no one is buying, in large part because they put the cart before the horse as described in your post... the infrastructure to support them just doesn't exist.

Couple that with the fact that owning and operating an EV is actually still MORE expensive than an ICE automobile, and even worse for the environment than an ICE auto at the end of the day as well, and people are taking a pass on them.

I've read several articles that say by the 2025 year model roll out, which is in about 1 year, that NOS EVs will be selling for a song and a dance.

Dealerships are already turning away inventory now because they can't move the damn things... which is funny, because the $80K gas burning SUVs and pick ups are still selling like hotcakes.

Watch Scotty Kilmer on YouTube rant about the EVs. That guy is hilarious

 
 

Kobia2 » 11 Sep 2023, 8:41 am » wrote: ↑

11 Sep 2023, 8:41 am

              Still remarkable to me that people enthusiastically bought these EVS ---- knowing the Recharging Logistics were not even remotely adequate...

 Not only aren't there enough Charging Stations, but it still takes between 30 minutes to over an hour to charge your battery------ Now imagine if the charging station is full of customers, and you have 3 or 4 people ahead of you... **** idiots

It just goes to show how dumb some Americans really are. Tesla got filthy rich of their stupidity. Obviously, the company knew about this, but they kept going with the production anyway. 

Conservatives selectively read the links they post:

I've traveled 18,000 miles in an electric car. Here are the 4 things that surprised me about long-distance EV road trips.
Gia Mora Jun 12, 2023, 4:51 AM CDT


Gia Mora bought the Hyundai Ioniq 5, an EV with a 250-mile range, to reduce her need to fly.

She and her partner have traveled 18,000 miles in the electric car on multiple road trips.
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Mora was surprised by how temperature affects charging times and how often she charges at Walmart.

When I decided I would fly only once every three years for environmental reasons in 2021, my main concern was how to tackle long-distance travel.

My partner and I live in Los Angeles, but my family is in Colorado, and my adventurous other half fretted over the limitations on our holidays.

We compromised last June when we traded in our hybrid SUV for the all-electric Hyundai Ioniq 5. With its fast-charging 350-kilowatt capacity and 250-mile range battery, the Ioniq 5 allows us to travel long distances for a third —-

https://www.businessinsider.com/electri ... =yahoo.com

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Electric cars might give Walmart a good name among progressives.

I boycott only three major American corporations, Hobby Lobby, Chic Fila, and Walmart.

I would definitely hang onto one gas burner for long hauls.

A research study for the Bureau of Transportation Statistics focused on the number of daily trips taken in the United States. In 2021, 52% of all trips, including all modes of transportation, were less than three miles, with 28% of trips less than one mile. Just 2% of all trips were greater than 50 miles.Mar 21, 2022

Bruce » 11 Sep 2023, 8:51 am » wrote: ↑

11 Sep 2023, 8:51 am

Conservatives selectively read the links they post:

I've traveled 18,000 miles in an electric car. Here are the 4 things that surprised me about long-distance EV road trips.
Gia Mora Jun 12, 2023, 4:51 AM CDT

Gia Mora bought the Hyundai Ioniq 5, an EV with a 250-mile range, to reduce her need to fly.

She and her partner have traveled 18,000 miles in the electric car on multiple road trips.
—-
Mora was surprised by how temperature affects charging times and how often she charges at Walmart.

When I decided I would fly only once every three years for environmental reasons in 2021, my main concern was how to tackle long-distance travel.

My partner and I live in Los Angeles, but my family is in Colorado, and my adventurous other half fretted over the limitations on our holidays.

We compromised last June when we traded in our hybrid SUV for the all-electric Hyundai Ioniq 5. With its fast-charging 350-kilowatt capacity and 250-mile range battery, the Ioniq 5 allows us to travel long distances for a third —-

https://www.businessinsider.com/electri ... =yahoo.com

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Electric cars might give Walmart a good name among progressives.

I boycott only three major American corporations, Hobby Lobby, Chic Fila, and Walmart.

Doesn't address a single issue in the OP.

And tell me, how is the electricity going to those charging stations at WalMart generated?  FYI...the correct answer in the overwhelming majority of the time is fossil fuels.
 

The EV Cult

preys on child labor in Africa.

ConsRule » 11 Sep 2023, 8:34 am » wrote: ↑

11 Sep 2023, 8:34 am

An EV might be useful in town...for short trips.  The really bad part is Charlotte to Memphis is only 629 mile...easy one day drive that they scheduled over 4 days.

https://www.yahoo.com/autos/ev-road-tri ... 23954.html

When the US Secretary of Energy and her team embarked on a road trip to promote electric vehicles, they ran into a predictable yet frustrating obstacle: a lack of electric vehicle chargers.

Indeed, there are only about three electric vehicle charging ports for every 10,000 people in the United States, Insider reported in April.

The scarcity of chargers was such an issue for Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm and her team that the police got involved at one point, NPR reported.

The caravan of electric vehicles heading from Charlotte to Memphis over the course of four days hit a snag in Grovestown, Georgia. The group was planning a quick charge when they realized there wouldn't be enough electric vehicle chargers to go around since one was broken and the others were in use, NPR reported.

So an employee from the Department of Energy tried to save one of the spots using a gas-powered car.

It was a sweltering day and the move didn't go over well with a family that was also waiting for a charging spot. The situation escalated to the point that the family, driving with a baby in their car, called the police, who didn't have the authority to act because blocking an EV charging spot with a gas-power car isn't illegal in Georgia, NPR reported.

While Granholm and her team worked to smooth things over, ultimately ceding a spot to the family and relegating some of their own vehicles to slower charging ports, the incident drew attention to the desperate need for improved EV infrastructure.

"It's just par for the course," a bystander driving an electric BMW told NPR. "They'll get it together at some point."

Yes.
You are right.
It must be voluntary.
All............capitalism.
No gov. needed.

Here.
I will show you how.
Kawasaki Mule.
An "assistant"................not a replacement.
Electric.
40mph.
40 mi. range
Suburbs.
Leave the car at home.
An assistant.........& fun.
Take the kids to school.
Grocery shopping.
You get the picture.

No gov. needed.                     

ConsRule » 11 Sep 2023, 9:02 am » wrote: ↑

11 Sep 2023, 9:02 am

Doesn't address a single issue in the OP.

And tell me, how is the electricity going to those charging stations at WalMart generated?  FYI...the correct answer in the overwhelming majority of the time is fossil fuels.

For about five years now, wind farms have been the cheapest new build method to generate juice, at only two cents a kilowatt.

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In 2019, the national average price of wind power purchase agreements dropped to below 2 cents per kilowatt-hour, meaning that—including federal incentives such as the Production Tax Credit—new wind energy facilities provided some of the cheapest available forms of new electricity generation available at that time.

https://windexchange.energy.gov/project ... at%20time.

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Only the smallest fraction, maybe 2%, of EVs are going to be charged at Trumpy **** holes  like Walmart.

98% will be charged up overnight at home during off peak load times.


 

ConsRule » 11 Sep 2023, 8:34 am » wrote: ↑

11 Sep 2023, 8:34 am

An EV might be useful in town...for short trips.  The really bad part is Charlotte to Memphis is only 629 mile...easy one day drive that they scheduled over 4 days.

https://www.yahoo.com/autos/ev-road-tri ... 23954.html

When the US Secretary of Energy and her team embarked on a road trip to promote electric vehicles, they ran into a predictable yet frustrating obstacle: a lack of electric vehicle chargers.

Indeed, there are only about three electric vehicle charging ports for every 10,000 people in the United States, Insider reported in April.

The scarcity of chargers was such an issue for Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm and her team that the police got involved at one point, NPR reported.

The caravan of electric vehicles heading from Charlotte to Memphis over the course of four days hit a snag in Grovestown, Georgia. The group was planning a quick charge when they realized there wouldn't be enough electric vehicle chargers to go around since one was broken and the others were in use, NPR reported.

So an employee from the Department of Energy tried to save one of the spots using a gas-powered car.

It was a sweltering day and the move didn't go over well with a family that was also waiting for a charging spot. The situation escalated to the point that the family, driving with a baby in their car, called the police, who didn't have the authority to act because blocking an EV charging spot with a gas-power car isn't illegal in Georgia, NPR reported.

While Granholm and her team worked to smooth things over, ultimately ceding a spot to the family and relegating some of their own vehicles to slower charging ports, the incident drew attention to the desperate need for improved EV infrastructure.

"It's just par for the course," a bystander driving an electric BMW told NPR. "They'll get it together at some point."

a broken charger? WTF? 



parking a gas powered vehicle to block a charging station may not be illegal, but it may get you shot...
 
 

Bruce » 11 Sep 2023, 9:23 am » wrote: ↑

11 Sep 2023, 9:23 am

For about five years now, wind farms have been the cheapest new build method to generate juice, at only two cents a kilowatt.

—-

In 2019, the national average price of wind power purchase agreements dropped to below 2 cents per kilowatt-hour, meaning that—including federal incentives such as the Production Tax Credit—new wind energy facilities provided some of the cheapest available forms of new electricity generation available at that time.

https://windexchange.energy.gov/project ... at%20time.

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Only the smallest fraction, maybe 2%, of EVs are going to be charged at Trumpy **** holes  like Walmart.

98% will be charged up overnight at home during off peak load times.

You didn't answer the question related to the source of electricity.  And...just an FYI...it's really difficult to charge your EV at home during off peak load times when you attempting a road trip in it.
 

ROG62 » 11 Sep 2023, 9:24 am » wrote: ↑

11 Sep 2023, 9:24 am

parking a gas powered vehicle to block a charging station may not be illegal, but it may get you shot...
 

Probably not.  Most EVs are owned by tree huggers...the overwhelming majority of them are deathly afraid of any kind of gun.

 

ConsRule » 11 Sep 2023, 9:43 am » wrote: ↑

11 Sep 2023, 9:43 am

Probably not.  Most EVs are owned by tree huggers...the overwhelming majority of them are deathly afraid of any kind of gun.

That's a great point....they'll probably get karened to death...  
 
 

I really don't have a problem with EV's, if you can afford one, buy one. Why not have one or two parked in front of your Macmansion?

I know this isn't popular but it's amusing that people who can't afford one call the people who can afford one stupid or idiots.

BlastPoint found in a three-part examination that people ready to buy an EV have an average annual income of $150,000. The median household income in the US in 2018 was $63,179, according to the U.S. Census. “Ready-to-Buys are typically professionals working in white-collar careers.Apr 30, 2021

Most median household incomes in the top 10 ZIP codes for electric cars exceeded $200,000, much higher than the statewide $84,097. Dosanjh, from the Bay Area car dealership group, said early adopters were often higher-earning people who worked in the technology industry, or at least technology enthusiasts.4 days ago

Fuelman » 11 Sep 2023, 8:58 am » wrote: ↑

11 Sep 2023, 8:58 am

I would definitely hang onto one gas burner for long hauls.

A research study for the Bureau of Transportation Statistics focused on the number of daily trips taken in the United States. In 2021, 52% of all trips, including all modes of transportation, were less than three miles, with 28% of trips less than one mile. Just 2% of all trips were greater than 50 miles.Mar 21, 2022

Without a doubt.

What's funny is, in my personal situation at the moment, an EV would be perfect for me.

With the exception of the occasional road trip, I'm probably only driving a couple a hundred miles a week right now, if that. A tank of gasoline typically last me around two weeks, or more sometimes... and my truck only gets about 15-17 mpg.

I could charge up at home on Sunday, and be good until the next Sunday about 99% of the time. 

If the EV prices crash through the floor as predicted, I'm going to seriously consider one as a third vehicle for the wife and I. We have an '07 Eclipse that only has 70k miles on it right now that is our third car, but we're about to donate it to a battered single mother that needs a car so... we'll be looking to replace it soon.

I'd pay $15-20K or so for a N.O.S. F-150 Lightning and rig a charger up at the house for it for sure.

 

Fuelman » 11 Sep 2023, 10:02 am » wrote: ↑

11 Sep 2023, 10:02 am

I really don't have a problem with EV's, if you can afford one, buy one. Why not have one or two parked in front of your Macmansion?

I know this isn't popular but it's amusing that people who can't afford one call the people who can afford one stupid or idiots.

BlastPoint found in a three-part examination that people ready to buy an EV have an average annual income of $150,000. The median household income in the US in 2018 was $63,179, according to the U.S. Census. “Ready-to-Buys are typically professionals working in white-collar careers.Apr 30, 2021
 

Trust me...I can easily afford to purchase/own one.  Something you can bet everything you own on...if someone GAVE me a top of the line EV, I would trade it in for something else before the end of the day.
 

Sumela » 11 Sep 2023, 9:13 am » wrote: ↑

11 Sep 2023, 9:13 am

The EV Cult

preys on child labor in Africa.

Meme of the year finalist here!

ConsRule » 11 Sep 2023, 9:41 am » wrote: ↑

11 Sep 2023, 9:41 am

You didn't answer the question related to the source of electricity.  And...just an FYI...it's really difficult to charge your EV at home during off peak load times when you attempting a road trip in it.

and doesn't even think about his answer!
charge if after hours on off peak hours........everybody charging their EV..no off peak hours.
or you're on a trip.....just return home and charge; start over! hahahahaha