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For all you EV idiots
By ConsRule
11 Sep 2023 8:34 am in No Holds Barred Political Forum
11 Sep 2023 12:52 pm
Your logic is broken ....Bruce » 11 Sep 2023, 9:23 am » wrote: ↑ For about five years now, wind farms have been the cheapest new build method to generate juice, at only two cents a kilowatt.
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In 2019, the national average price of wind power purchase agreements dropped to below 2 cents per kilowatt-hour, meaning that—including federal incentives such as the Production Tax Credit—new wind energy facilities provided some of the cheapest available forms of new electricity generation available at that time.
https://windexchange.energy.gov/project ... at%20time.
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Only the smallest fraction, maybe 2%, of EVs are going to be charged at Trumpy **** holes like Walmart.
98% will be charged up overnight at home during off peak load times.
if everyone is charging their EV's overnight at home ......overnight will become a peak load time ...especially if everyone gets an EV......
just saying....
11 Sep 2023 12:55 pm
Is Mora a queer?Bruce » 11 Sep 2023, 8:51 am » wrote: ↑ Conservatives selectively read the links they post:
I've traveled 18,000 miles in an electric car. Here are the 4 things that surprised me about long-distance EV road trips.
Gia Mora Jun 12, 2023, 4:51 AM CDT
Gia Mora bought the Hyundai Ioniq 5, an EV with a 250-mile range, to reduce her need to fly.
She and her partner have traveled 18,000 miles in the electric car on multiple road trips.
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Mora was surprised by how temperature affects charging times and how often she charges at Walmart.
When I decided I would fly only once every three years for environmental reasons in 2021, my main concern was how to tackle long-distance travel.
My partner and I live in Los Angeles, but my family is in Colorado, and my adventurous other half fretted over the limitations on our holidays.
We compromised last June when we traded in our hybrid SUV for the all-electric Hyundai Ioniq 5. With its fast-charging 350-kilowatt capacity and 250-mile range battery, the Ioniq 5 allows us to travel long distances for a third —-
https://www.businessinsider.com/electri ... =yahoo.com
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Electric cars might give Walmart a good name among progressives.
I boycott only three major American corporations, Hobby Lobby, Chic Fila, and Walmart.
Or her partner?
Can we assume she was **** in the head before her purchase?
Are you the biggest liar on the forum, since Margaret got arrested?
11 Sep 2023 1:00 pm
Each night the sun goes down. The factories close. The air conditioners go idle. The world sleeps.Majik » 11 Sep 2023, 12:52 pm » wrote: ↑ Your logic is broken ....
if everyone is charging their EV's overnight at home ......overnight will become a peak load time ...especially if everyone gets an EV......
just saying....
EVs use only a third of the energy gasoline cars use.
Power companies will have surplus two cents a kilowatt energy to sell at night.
Even today a lot of Co Ops reduce the price at night.
11 Sep 2023 1:02 pm
My GODS In Maine- We get a warning in a baby heat wave?Majik » 11 Sep 2023, 12:52 pm » wrote: ↑ Your logic is broken ....
if everyone is charging their EV's overnight at home ......overnight will become a peak load time ...especially if everyone gets an EV......
just saying....
DO NOT use your appliances during peak hours.
ok? LOLThis was way before the EV cars- The grid couldn't even handle THAT!
11 Sep 2023 1:09 pm
sootedupCyndi » 11 Sep 2023, 12:08 pm » wrote: ↑ well- I look at things on my level. Which is real life. and very tiny? But i can add!
I own my gas car! Why would i purchase an EV for a payment of 500 a month??? I could buy a ton of gas for an extra 20 bucks a week. When the price is high. Do you see the INSANITY Skans?
I will buy you a Ford Fiesta.
Small 4- cylinder. 1600cc.
40mi./gal.
I drove the hell out of that thing .
Over 300,000 miles.
Always keep good oil in your engine.
I recommend Pennzoil Full Synthetic ($8.00/qt.).
It is very slick.......& that is exactly what we really want.
.
11 Sep 2023 1:13 pm
Explanation
In late 1962 when I was four and a half, my parents made a huge show out of my traditional presentation of a set of 1963 World Book Encyclopedias all little Christian Church boys still get today the autumn they have turned four.
Warren Buffett owns World Book.
In 1962 a new set was $200 (plus $6 tax) and today it’s $1,200 (plus tax).
I would guess most folks here have grandchildren.
All you need to do, is give their good Christian mother a $1,200 set of World Books and that child will look things up when they are 99 years old.
Thank you Daddy, for writing that $26 check and then twelve more of $15 each Mama made me take to the mailbox.
A child’s education is never free.
https://youtu.be/G9OqoY7SSYY?si=lhtrnTFtifDnctiN
In late 1962 when I was four and a half, my parents made a huge show out of my traditional presentation of a set of 1963 World Book Encyclopedias all little Christian Church boys still get today the autumn they have turned four.
Warren Buffett owns World Book.
In 1962 a new set was $200 (plus $6 tax) and today it’s $1,200 (plus tax).
I would guess most folks here have grandchildren.
All you need to do, is give their good Christian mother a $1,200 set of World Books and that child will look things up when they are 99 years old.
Thank you Daddy, for writing that $26 check and then twelve more of $15 each Mama made me take to the mailbox.
A child’s education is never free.
https://youtu.be/G9OqoY7SSYY?si=lhtrnTFtifDnctiN
11 Sep 2023 1:21 pm
In order:Bruce » 11 Sep 2023, 1:00 pm » wrote: ↑ Each night the sun goes down. The factories close. The air conditioners go idle. The world sleeps.
EVs use only a third of the energy gasoline cars use.
Power companies will have surplus two cents a kilowatt energy to sell at night.
Even today a lot of Co Ops reduce the price at night.
No...it doesn't; Not all of them; No...they don't
Since you got those things wrong...your entire post loses credibility
Since gasoline cars that are parked during the night use zero energy, an EV that is charging is using infinitely more energy.
11 Sep 2023 1:25 pm
She looks about like my current wife did when she was that age.RebelGator » 11 Sep 2023, 12:55 pm » wrote: ↑ Is Mora a queer?
Or her partner?
Can we assume she was **** in the head before her purchase?
Are you the biggest liar on the forum, since Margaret got arrested?
She’s one of them there lesbian movie stars.
https://www.giamora.com/
I have mine, I’ll pass.
11 Sep 2023 1:30 pm
So? Having a plan doesn't mean it will happen. Remember when GM announced two years ago their plan to be all electric by 2035? Since then, their EV sales have dropped 24%. During Q2 of this year, EV sales represented 2.3% of their total units sold. Looks like the only way they will be all electric by 2035 is by destroying the company.Bruce » 11 Sep 2023, 12:49 pm » wrote: ↑ Tesla Has a Goal of 20 Million Vehicles Per YearTesla made 35,000 cars in 2014. It has ambitious plans to get to 20 million vehicles by the year-end of 2030. That is a 571 times increase in vehicle production in 17 years. That is an unreal feat if Tesla achieves that. Even at a 2 million vehicle per year run rate, if Tesla gets there this year, that is still a 57 times increase in vehicle production in 10 years.Giga Nevada was being built in 2014 and now it is fully functional. Tesla also had a 500,000 vehicle goal by 2020 and that happened with the Model 3 and Model Y. Many were skeptical that Tesla could never achieve that result - because it had never been done before. It's a 14 times increase in 6 years.Applying the same logic today, to get to 20 million vehicles by 2030, you have an 11 times increase in 7 years, with 1.8 million vehicles this year, which I think is conservative. Based on Tesla's growth in the past, I don't see any reason Tesla won't be able to make this ambitious goal. Tesla can go 25% slower and reach this 20 million vehicle per year goal.Some may say that 20 million vehicles is too many. Toyota at their peak made about 10 million. Nobody has done this and therefore, many are skeptical that Tesla can do this.You may also be interested in:The Math for How Tesla Gets To 20 Million Per YearTesla is making four vehicle types, the Model S and Model X and Model Y and Model 3 to get to the 2 million vehicles (about) that it will make this year. They have great manufacturing techniques and vertical integration that enables them to move fast.
- Tesla will build 8 more Giga factories: Each will get to 2 million vehicles per year
- The staggering economics of the Tesla semi.
- Fake Tesla's are everywhere.
https://www.torquenews.com/node/48097/amp
11 Sep 2023 1:39 pm
Not infinitely more energy.ConsRule » 11 Sep 2023, 1:21 pm » wrote: ↑ In order:
No...it doesn't; Not all of them; No...they don't
Since you got those things wrong...your entire post loses credibility
Since gasoline cars that are parked during the night use zero energy, an EV that is charging is using infinitely more energy.
One third less than gets pumped into gas tanks a day.
Let’s explore how much unleaded gas is sold.
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In 2022, about 134.55 billion gallons (or about 3.20 billion barrels)1 of finished motor gasoline were consumed in the United States, an average of about 369 million gallons per day (or about 8.78 million barrels per day).
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120,000 BTU per gallon times 369 million divide by three equals what is needed.
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The NREL analysis found enormous U.S. wind energy potential. The previous survey pegged annual U.S. wind potential at 10.8 million gigawatt-hours (GWh).
National Renewable Energy ...
PDFNREL Study Finds US Wind Energy Potential Triples Previous Estimates
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I **** hate math, always have.
I cheat and look **** up on Quora
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Our Bolt uses about 250 kWh/month, or about 350 Watts averaged over a month. It makes little difference what type of charger you use, what matters is how much you drive. A common wind turbine produces about 3 MW when the wind blows. The typical capacity factor for wind farms in Iowa is about 1/3, so the average output is 1 MW. In other words, a single wind turbine in Iowa would power almost 3000 cars being driven as much as we drive ours. So to power 1 million such cars, you would need perhaps 350 3 MW wind turbines. There are well over 3000 wind turbines installed in Iowa.
https://www.quora.com/How-many-windmill ... ctric-cars
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There’s always lots of wind energy available at two cents a kilowatt.
https://youtu.be/Nqd3XK5FdY4?si=ekhMyHnZE9a90FfY
11 Sep 2023 1:45 pm
General Motors stock price stood at $33.54 today.ConsRule » 11 Sep 2023, 1:30 pm » wrote: ↑ So? Having a plan doesn't mean it will happen. Remember when GM announced two years ago their plan to be all electric by 2035? Since then, their EV sales have dropped 24%. During Q2 of this year, EV sales represented 2.3% of their total units sold. Looks like the only way they will be all electric by 2035 is by destroying the company.
According to the latest long-term forecast, General Motors price will hit $35 by the middle of 2023 and then $40 by the end of 2024. General Motors will rise to $45 within the year of 2026, $60 in 2027, $65 in 2028, $70 in 2031, $75 in 2032, $80 in 2034 and $85 in 2035.
https://coinpriceforecast.com › gm-s...GENERAL MOTORS STOCK FORECAST 2023 - 2025 - 2030
They had better get a **** of Tesla grade electric vehicles on the market.
11 Sep 2023 1:48 pm
You missed the point...a gasoline car sitting idle is using absolutely no energy. By comparison, a re-charging EV is using energy.Bruce » 11 Sep 2023, 1:39 pm » wrote: ↑ Not infinitely more energy.
One third less than gets pumped into gas tanks a day.
Let’s explore how much unleaded gas is sold.
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There’s always lots of wind energy available at two cents a kilowatt.
https://youtu.be/Nqd3XK5FdY4?si=ekhMyHnZE9a90FfY
Don't know where you live, but around here you will pay the same rate per KwH unless you want to specify using only wind generated power...then you pay 3/4 of a cent MORE.
11 Sep 2023 1:50 pm
11 Sep 2023 1:51 pm
I....have a relative who ran GM-ConsRule » 11 Sep 2023, 1:30 pm » wrote: ↑ So? Having a plan doesn't mean it will happen. Remember when GM announced two years ago their plan to be all electric by 2035? Since then, their EV sales have dropped 24%. During Q2 of this year, EV sales represented 2.3% of their total units sold. Looks like the only way they will be all electric by 2035 is by destroying the company.
Married to my first cousin? They don't like me? You know why? I DO NOT LIVE UP ' To their Hoity Toity expectations?
ok with me- i'm not rich enough?
get LOST!
It's kind of creepy- that people like that- are so sick?
11 Sep 2023 1:52 pm
Stock price is not relevant to my post. I was posting UNIT SALES information. GM received all kinds of free pub from the left wing (and their lap dogs in the media) when they announced the "all electric by 2035" plans. EV sales for them have plummeted and currently only make up 2.3% of total unit sales. They will not meet the plan goal of all electric unless they simply stop selling ICE vehicles...putting thousands out of work, decimating the companies market cap and damaging a large number of retirements.Bruce » 11 Sep 2023, 1:45 pm » wrote: ↑ General Motors stock price stood at $33.54 today.
According to the latest long-term forecast, General Motors price will hit $35 by the middle of 2023 and then $40 by the end of 2024. General Motors will rise to $45 within the year of 2026, $60 in 2027, $65 in 2028, $70 in 2031, $75 in 2032, $80 in 2034 and $85 in 2035.
https://coinpriceforecast.com › gm-s...GENERAL MOTORS STOCK FORECAST 2023 - 2025 - 2030
They had better get a **** of Tesla grade electric vehicles on the market.
11 Sep 2023 2:00 pm
Con, when any car is parked it’s not consuming any energy.
ConsRule
You missed the point...a gasoline car sitting idle is using absolutely no energy. By comparison, a re-charging EV is using energy.
Don't know where you live, but around here you will pay the same rate per KwH unless you want to specify using only wind generated power...then you pay 3/4 of a cent MORE.
Elon Musk is the new Henry Ford.
It took a bunch of oil gushers in Oklahoma and Texas to fuel all those millions of gasoline vehicles.
98% of electrics will charge up at home.
The way wind farms work is there are wind zones.
Farmers love to get a thousand a month rent and still keep on farming.
I suppose there is some theoretical limit to how much two cents an hour (and the price keeps falling) wind energy utility companies are going to add to fuel electrics.
But conservative media is telling you fairy tale scary stories about electrics.
There’s another thread on here that Obama is on his third term.
Sure, he is.
11 Sep 2023 2:11 pm
GM makes modern gasoline buggies today.ConsRule » 11 Sep 2023, 1:52 pm » wrote: ↑ Stock price is not relevant to my post. I was posting UNIT SALES information. GM received all kinds of free pub from the left wing (and their lap dogs in the media) when they announced the "all electric by 2035" plans. EV sales for them have plummeted and currently only make up 2.3% of total unit sales. They will not meet the plan goal of all electric unless they simply stop selling ICE vehicles...putting thousands out of work, decimating the companies market cap and damaging a large number of retirements.
Musk addicts two million new Detroit customers a year to lithium battery electric cars that cost about the same as a gasoline buggy and will run between Walmarts all day long for a third less money and NO GASOLINE.
I realize conservatives today can’t foresee what will happen when Trump stands trial next year, in four jurisdictions.
But seeing the appeal of a modern car that uses no gas and is three times cheaper to run should be a no brainer.
Seriously.
11 Sep 2023 2:32 pm
11 Sep 2023 2:38 pm
impartialobserver » 11 Sep 2023, 2:32 pm » wrote: ↑ Gee.. A technology that has limits. No one could have seen this coming
The limits are IMPRACTICABLE..but only an honest person like me would include that very important distinction....not you.
11 Sep 2023 2:42 pm
Missouri has lots of power cooperativesConsRule » 11 Sep 2023, 1:48 pm » wrote: ↑ You missed the point...a gasoline car sitting idle is using absolutely no energy. By comparison, a re-charging EV is using energy.
Don't know where you live, but around here you will pay the same rate per KwH unless you want to specify using only wind generated power...then you pay 3/4 of a cent MORE.
The current rate is ten cents a kilowatt plus a peak load surcharge.
Missouri also is part of the best wind zones in the USA.
Forget about the global warmers and saving the planet.
To build a new one megawatt capacity wind is stupidly cheaper even than Nat gas plants.
There’s hardly any regulatory cost. Farmers will suck your dick and stand in line for leases.
Now there will always be a need for fueled base line power generation from nuclear, gas, and until the last one wears out, coal.
But each night there is hardly any calculation of how much wind energy just goes to waste now from existing wind farms.
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