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impartialobserver » 11 Sep 2023, 6:02 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Sep 2023, 6:02 pm

Imagine that..a new technology with limitations""

GHETTOBLASTER » 11 Sep 2023, 6:13 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Sep 2023, 6:13 pm

I am well aware of this. At first sniff.. I do not buy this. I have driven past where this mine is going to be at least 60 times. 

PNW0637 » 11 Sep 2023, 5:36 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Sep 2023, 5:36 pm

I would be all for that if the government tax dollars also stopped going to the fossil fuel industry.

They've been heavily subsidized for decades. That's on top of all the tax cuts and tax loopholes they get. 

Stop the fossil fuel taxpayer give aways too.

Let's agree to throw the gov. out of our lives, shall we ?           

         And this from today  LOL..... 
you couldn't script this **** any better folks!

          Here we have Biden's Sec. of Energy Jennifer Granholm, leading an EV entourage on a road trip ----- promoting the kind of driving experience we can expect as we transition off fossil fuels, and the precise state of  the infrastructure to facilitate us doing so...

          Unfortunately it doesn't go well for Jenny, as Police are called on her merry band of travelers.

         https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rCIm7VIhVY
 

Bump

https://youtu.be/wMO-aXFSlEo?si=_MADT_Vr4HVrBvgd

impartialobserver » 11 Sep 2023, 6:15 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Sep 2023, 6:15 pm

I am well aware of this. At first sniff.. I do not buy this. I have driven past where this mine is going to be at least 60 times.

  Of course. Never fails. You're a geology expert who just happens to drive past this site all the time and you are famous for using your "dead reckoning" skills to assay a mine's potential output "on the fly" as you drive by.  
 

Ford reported they lose $60,000.00 on every electric car they sell.

What do you libtards think the price for their cars will be when the taxpayer subsidies, mandated by Joe Biden, run out?

ConsRule » 11 Sep 2023, 8:34 am » wrote: ↑

11 Sep 2023, 8:34 am

An EV might be useful in town...for short trips.  The really bad part is Charlotte to Memphis is only 629 mile...easy one day drive that they scheduled over 4 days.

https://www.yahoo.com/autos/ev-road-tri ... 23954.html

When the US Secretary of Energy and her team embarked on a road trip to promote electric vehicles, they ran into a predictable yet frustrating obstacle: a lack of electric vehicle chargers.

Indeed, there are only about three electric vehicle charging ports for every 10,000 people in the United States, Insider reported in April.

The scarcity of chargers was such an issue for Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm and her team that the police got involved at one point, NPR reported.

The caravan of electric vehicles heading from Charlotte to Memphis over the course of four days hit a snag in Grovestown, Georgia. The group was planning a quick charge when they realized there wouldn't be enough electric vehicle chargers to go around since one was broken and the others were in use, NPR reported.

So an employee from the Department of Energy tried to save one of the spots using a gas-powered car.

It was a sweltering day and the move didn't go over well with a family that was also waiting for a charging spot. The situation escalated to the point that the family, driving with a baby in their car, called the police, who didn't have the authority to act because blocking an EV charging spot with a gas-power car isn't illegal in Georgia, NPR reported.

While Granholm and her team worked to smooth things over, ultimately ceding a spot to the family and relegating some of their own vehicles to slower charging ports, the incident drew attention to the desperate need for improved EV infrastructure.

"It's just par for the course," a bystander driving an electric BMW told NPR. "They'll get it together at some point."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwraIqtRFqM
 

GHETTOBLASTER » 12 Sep 2023, 5:15 am » wrote: ↑

12 Sep 2023, 5:15 am

  Of course. Never fails. You're a geology expert who just happens to drive past this site all the time and you are famous for using your "dead reckoning" skills to assay a mine's potential output "on the fly" as you drive by.

Its called being skeptical.. On the surface, all seems well when you read the article. However, real life never plays out so perfectly. Besides... if you drive north of Winnemucca, NV towards OR and ID.. you see this sign that says Thacker Canyon. Did I ever claim to be a geologist? No. The point is that this is big news in my neck of the woods and so been aware of this development for 4 years now. 
 

If a person owns an EV????
When you charge it at a public station? Do you have to turn it off? Or keep it running for heat? Does anyone know?
Because if a person has to sit in one.. for a few hours. In my state in the middle of the winter- they may find you dead - frozen to death? and your hands stuck to the steering wheel?

About those EV's...

 

https://youtu.be/7R47k2WV4fI

EVs are going to be the norm

Battery life, price, and safety needs to be worked out for sure

Charging stations are a big problem if you live in the wrong area

but they are working on all of that

A friend of mine has a Tesla

when he charges it, the car tells him how far it is to the next station

Sometimes he charges it for 15 minutes or less, sometimes longer

Depending on the distance to the next station

Sounds like a pain to me, but he loves it

Besides, he has one of the fasted cars on the road

He REALLY loves that

There’s a lot of money being thrown at EVs … they are coming regardless
 
 

sootedupCyndi » 12 Sep 2023, 11:57 am » wrote: ↑

12 Sep 2023, 11:57 am

If a person owns an EV????
When you charge it at a public station? Do you have to turn it off? Or keep it running for heat? Does anyone know?
Because if a person has to sit in one.. for a few hours. In my state in the middle of the winter- they may find you dead - frozen to death? and your hands stuck to the steering wheel?

The current generation of EVs take about 15 minutes at a Class III charger.  You leave heat or air on.

—-When you’re traveling in your Tesla vehicle or away from where you normally park, there are three main charging options to keep your vehicle charged on the go.SuperchargersSuperchargers are the fastest charging option when you’re away from home, allowing you to charge your vehicle up to 200 miles in 15 minutes. Designed to get you charged and back on the road as quickly as possible, we own and operate over 50,000 global Superchargers that are accessible on a 24/7 basis, located on major routes near convenient amenities.Destination ChargingDestination Charging locations are comprised of popular hotels, restaurants, vineyards, resorts and other destinations that host Wall Connectors for customers to charge. There are over 40,000 Wall Connectors at Destination Charging locations in urban areas and rural locations, making it easy to charge when you arrive at your location or have a few hours to spare.Third-Party ChargingThird-party charging stations can be located through Plugshare.com. Charging stations labeled as J1772 will work with a SAE J1772 adapter and 120 volt stations labeled as 120 volt will work with the Mobile Connector. When a Mobile Connector is not in use, we recommend storing it in your vehicle for easy access. For maximum flexibility on the road and to charge from a 240 volt outlet, store an adapter bundle in your vehicle as well.Back to Top

https://www.tesla.com/support/charging# ... 20minutes.

——

In the next few years every gas station is going to have a class IiI charger or go out of business.

Nobody really loves electric cars, they love never having to buy expensive gasoline.

The electrics are three to five time less to fuel.

Mrkelly » 17 Sep 2023, 1:37 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Sep 2023, 1:37 pm

EVs are going to be the norm

Battery life, price, and safety needs to be worked out for sure

Charging stations are a big problem if you live in the wrong area

but they are working on all of that

A friend of mine has a Tesla

when he charges it, the car tells him how far it is to the next station

Sometimes he charges it for 15 minutes or less, sometimes longer

Depending on the distance to the next station

Sounds like a pain to me, but he loves it

Besides, he has one of the fasted cars on the road

He REALLY loves that

There’s a lot of money being thrown at EVs … they are coming regardless

         almost 60 years ago "so-called" Green Energy experts also said within a relatively short period of time, most, if not all the Homes in America would be solar powered.... Yet here we are 60 years down the road and only around 3.6% of single family homes are.....  

        The, technology,  logistical planning & infrastructure regarding the EV Charging Stations has been an utter failure.....  I think our Energy Secretary's recent EV Road Trip disaster perfectly illustrated as much...   

          

Kobia2 » 17 Sep 2023, 2:06 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Sep 2023, 2:06 pm

         almost 60 years ago "so-called" Green Energy experts also said within a relatively short period of time, most, if not all the Homes in America would be solar powered.... Yet here we are 60 years down the road and only around 3.6% of single family homes are.....  

        The, technology,  logistical planning & infrastructure regarding the EV Charging Stations has been an utter failure.....  I think our Energy Secretary's recent EV Road Trip disaster perfectly illustrated as much...   

          

Part of the reason the UAW is on strike is that when Detroit goes all electric they’ll use only 40% of the current workforce.

The bodies of electric cars and running gear is about like Detroit has made for a century.  They are very good at making car bodies, wheels, and suspensions.

But electrics use a simple electric motor that uses the center shaft as an axle, just like railroad locomotives have since the 1940s.

No gas engines and no transmissions is a staggering labor saver.

Tesla motors today last a million miles.  The body will rust away first.

Lithium  batteries are ten times cheaper than ten years ago and the trend is still cheaper.

And a slow electric has 400 horsepower and 2,500 ft lbs of torque.

That last part means once you go electric you’ll not want a slow gas car ever again.
 

Bruce » 17 Sep 2023, 1:47 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Sep 2023, 1:47 pm

The current generation of EVs take about 15 minutes at a Class III charger.  You leave heat or air on.

—-When you’re traveling in your Tesla vehicle or away from where you normally park, there are three main charging options to keep your vehicle charged on the go.SuperchargersSuperchargers are the fastest charging option when you’re away from home, allowing you to charge your vehicle up to 200 miles in 15 minutes. Designed to get you charged and back on the road as quickly as possible, we own and operate over 50,000 global Superchargers that are accessible on a 24/7 basis, located on major routes near convenient amenities.Destination ChargingDestination Charging locations are comprised of popular hotels, restaurants, vineyards, resorts and other destinations that host Wall Connectors for customers to charge. There are over 40,000 Wall Connectors at Destination Charging locations in urban areas and rural locations, making it easy to charge when you arrive at your location or have a few hours to spare.Third-Party ChargingThird-party charging stations can be located through Plugshare.com. Charging stations labeled as J1772 will work with a SAE J1772 adapter and 120 volt stations labeled as 120 volt will work with the Mobile Connector. When a Mobile Connector is not in use, we recommend storing it in your vehicle for easy access. For maximum flexibility on the road and to charge from a 240 volt outlet, store an adapter bundle in your vehicle as well.Back to Top

https://www.tesla.com/support/charging# ... 20minutes.

——

In the next few years every gas station is going to have a class IiI charger or go out of business.

Nobody really loves electric cars, they love never having to buy expensive gasoline.

The electrics are three to five time less to fuel.

You Silly goose?
 Why would I
A person who OWNS her own gas car- paid for ?  Give that up that?  To save money on a 65k car payment???
why would I?
Want to pay a huge car payment? I could buy a hella of a lot money filling up my tank with extra gas on with another 20 dollar bill? 
let alone giving them a 500/ month for a  car payment... R you NUTS  
 

sootedupCyndi » 17 Sep 2023, 3:55 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Sep 2023, 3:55 pm

You Silly goose?
 Why would I
A person who OWNS her own gas car- paid for ?  Give that up that?  To save money on a 65k car payment???
why would I?
Want to pay a huge car payment? I could buy a hella of a lot money filling up my tank with extra gas on with another 20 dollar bill? 
let alone giving them a 500/ month for a  car payment... R you NUTS

If you outlive your car you’ll need a replacement.

——
You've probably heard that new cars are, well, expensive. Even if prices might be dropping and inventory is starting to stabilize, the average price of a new car is still around $48,000. If that's not enough sticker shock, a study by S&P Mobility shows the average age of passenger cars in operation is 13.6 years old. That average age rose sharply in 2020.

Less than two decades old might seem spry for a used car but, with more than 284 million vehicles running on US roads, these statistics show a new but increasing trend for domestic consumers. Even if consumers want to purchase a new car, many are opting to keep their current cars. Light trucks make up an average of 11.8 years in operation, which means an overall average age for US vehicles of 12.5 years.

S&P Mobility says the average age of vehicles has risen six straight years, and this year represents the highest yearly increase since the 2008-2009 recession. Analysis of new vehicle sales indicates these increases are due to a sharp decline in new-vehicle sales demand as well as year-end low levels of inventory. With the growing popularity of pickup trucks as family vehicles, the number of passenger cars on the road may fall beneath 100 million for the first time since 1978.Despite new sales figures dropping in 2021 and 2022, S&P Mobility forecasts new vehicle sales to surpass 14.5 million units in 2023. This should curb the average age growth rate, though the steady rise in age also has benefits for the aftermarket sector. Older vehicles with more miles mean additional work for dealerships or independent garages. Plus, higher-mileage service maintenance is often expensive, leading to increased revenue for technicians. And this aging trend isn't just a fluke, as projections show that vehicles ages 6-14 will grow by another 10 million units and represent 74% of vehicles on the road by 2028. That's worth an extra 5% or more in revenue for service centers and their employees going into 2023.

——-https://www.tesla.com/

The transition to electric vehicles is one of the primary underlying problems in the UAW strike, as the Biden administration pushes for the transition.

The UAW is aiming for an increase in benefits, primarily a 36% wage increase for workers over four years. It is additionally demanding the restoration of cost-of-living pay raises, abandoned for new hires in 2007, an end to tiered wages for factory jobs, a 32-hour workweek with 40 hours of pay, pension increases for retirees, and the restoration of defined-benefit pensions for new hires who only receive a 401(k)-style retirement plan.

https://gazette.com/news/wex/uaw-strike ... c64f6.html

Kobia2 » 11 Sep 2023, 8:41 am » wrote: ↑

11 Sep 2023, 8:41 am

              Still remarkable to me that people enthusiastically bought these EVS ---- knowing the Recharging Logistics were not even remotely adequate...

 Not only aren't there enough Charging Stations, but it still takes between 30 minutes to over an hour to charge your battery------ Now imagine if the charging station is full of customers, and you have 3 or 4 people ahead of you... **** idiots

Many customers use the cars as commuter vehicles, charging them overnight at their private residences. 

Not a big deal for them - and MUCH cheaper than gas. 

It's **** for the environment, since the cars are running on coal. But for the individual, it can be an excellent deal.
 
 

Another consideration that was true only a few years ago, is how will America (and China, and Russia, and Europe) power all these hundreds of millions of new electric vehicles?

Won’t that require more coal?

Forget about the environmental advantages, because wind power is now the cheapest way to generate more juice:

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In 2022, wind supplied over 2000 TWh of electricity, which was over 7% of world electricity[1]: 58  and about 2% of world energy.[2][3] With about 100 GW added during 2021, mostly in China and the United States, global installed wind power capacity exceeded 800 GW.[4][3][5] To help meet the Paris Agreement goals to limit climate change, analysts say it should expand much faster - by over 1% of electricity generation per year.[6]

Wind power is considered a sustainable, renewable energy source, and has a much smaller impact on the environment compared to burning fossil fuels. Wind power is variable, so it needs energy storage or other dispatchable generation energy sources to attain a reliable supply of electricity. Land-based (onshore) wind farms have a greater visual impact on the landscape than most other power stations per energy produced.[7][8] Wind farms sited offshore have less visual impact and have higher capacity factors, although they are generally more expensive.[4] Offshore wind power currently has a share of about 10% of new installations.[9]

Wind power is one of the lowest-cost electricity sources per unit of energy produced. In many locations, new onshore wind farms are cheaper than new coal or gas plants.[10]

Regions in the higher northern and southern latitudes have the highest potential for wind power.[11] In most regions, wind power generation is higher in nighttime, and in winter when solar power output is low. For this reason, combinations of wind and solar power are suitable in many countries.[12]