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jerrab » 14 Sep 2023, 3:01 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Sep 2023, 3:01 pm

\----------------------------------------------Ukraine Declares All Options Possible, Even War, To Retake Crimea From Russia

• Isaac Heaphy
• April 12, 2021

https://theowp.org/ukraine-declares-all ... /According to Ukraine’s National Security and Defense Council Decree no. 117/2021, Ukraine has committed to putting all options on the table to taking back control over the Russian annexed Crimea region. Signed on March 24th, President Zelensky has committed the country to pursue strategies that Ukrinform reports “will prepare and implement measures to ensure the de-occupation and reintegration of the peninsula.”Although Zelensky had previously indicated that he would attempt diplomacy with Russia, this decision by his government comes as the unresolved grief in the region, originating from the 2014 Ukrainian revolution/coup, appears to be coming to a dangerous head in what looks like an almost certain war. At the date of this article, Russia has responded by mobilizing many thousands of troops near the two nation’s borders in response to Ukraine’s provocations, with a senior Russian official claiming that military action “would be the beginning of the end of Ukraine.”



**********************************************************United States President Biden, who has himself been peripherally involved with Ukraine in the Obama administration (which has spawned various speculations over the years), released a statement late February condemning Russia’s involvement in Ukraine and claimed that “Crimea is Ukraine.” In line with the previous administrations, the Pentagon announced soon afterward that nearly three-hundred-million dollars worth of military aid would be sent to Ukraine, if they meet certain conditions, to support their defence “in line with NATO principles and standards.”Russia, which has become increasingly jittery as NATO expands towards its borders, naturally sees the recent provocations to threaten its close influence in the region as such and is reacting to be ready if Ukraine and others attack their interests. For instance, the World Socialist Web Site reported on these events that the reason for taking Crimea was to keep Russia’s warm water port available for use (as the governments before the chaos leased it to them). Additionally, Vijay Prashad of Globetrotter wrote that many people in eastern Ukraine speak Russian and may consider themselves culturally close too.Although Russia should answer for stoking tensions and being vague about its overall interests in all of this, the Ukrainian government should also be scrutinized too over its proclamations and what looks like an attempt to turn a humanitarian crisis into an international conflict (if others get much more involved). While both nations have been accused of using this as a stunt to rally political support in the wake of domestic failings, it is a great irony that the country which wants to create an international group to help take back Crimea (while excluding Russia)―which would “prevent further human rights violations,” according to Zelensky―is fine with cracking down on pro-Russian political sentiment while being ‘democratic.’ If the festering trouble that got NATO, Ukraine, and Russia, into this crisis is not evidence that violence is no recourse for further violence, then nothing will.

jerrab » 14 Sep 2023, 2:30 am » wrote: ↑

14 Sep 2023, 2:30 am

americans were duped by biden into thinking that russia invaded ukraine for no reason. ukraine and nato and biden planned to take crimea back before the invasion.and russia  was full aware of the plan.  not telling americans the truth was a huge deception.  whether this has anything to with hunter I don't care, this is worse, and I am not a republican, this  goes  past party lines, the best thing to do would be to remove biden and harris because they do not have america's interest anywhere on their minds. now that n korea is involved this could lead to ww3. so unnecessary and crimea just is not worth ww3. remove biden and get this **** over with and also take away the new law that biden started that lets boys compete against girls.

ConservativeWave » 17 Sep 2023, 10:57 am » wrote: ↑

17 Sep 2023, 10:57 am

THAT has GOT to be the STUPIDEST thing I've EVER read !

Now... I'm NO Joe nor Hunter Biden fan... AND, Joe Biden as done a THOUSAND STUPID things since he's been in office... BUT, Giving Ukraine the means to defend itself against Russia was NOT one of them !!

• Isaac Heaphy
• April 12, 2021

jerrab » 17 Sep 2023, 11:32 am » wrote: ↑

17 Sep 2023, 11:32 am

biden lied when he said russia was not provoked, russia was provoked------ 

• Isaac Heaphy
• April 12, 2021

https://theowp.org/ukraine-declares-all ... /According to Ukraine’s National Security and Defense Council Decree no. 117/2021, Ukraine has committed to putting all options on the table to taking back control over the Russian annexed Crimea region. Signed on March 24th, President Zelensky has committed the country to pursue strategies that Ukrinform reports “will prepare and implement measures to ensure the de-occupation and reintegration of the peninsula.”Although Zelensky had previously indicated that he would attempt diplomacy with Russia, this decision by his government comes as the unresolved grief in the region, originating from the 2014 Ukrainian revolution/coup, appears to be coming to a dangerous head in what looks like an almost certain war. At the date of this article, Russia has responded by mobilizing many thousands of troops near the two nation’s borders in response to Ukraine’s provocations, with a senior Russian official claiming that military action “would be the beginning of the end of Ukraine.”-------

/////------- further more have we really helped ukriane? ukraine is now just a bunch of bombed cities anymore, every strike ukraine does with american weapons russia strikes back even harder.  the best interest of ukraine would be to encourage a peace treaty with russia. now with n. korea joining forces with russia it will only grow worse for ukraine, it is time to wake up and smell the coffee. it is easy for americans to say giving weapons to ukraine is good, it is not americans who are getting killed.

ConservativeWave » 17 Sep 2023, 8:57 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Sep 2023, 8:57 pm

I'm a Republican... I don't believe ANYTHING that Joe Biden says, BUT, Russia started this WAR... STARTED the process of taking back Ukraine RIGHT after they took back Georgia and Crimea... and Poland, Lithuania, and Latvia were NEXT on his agenda... PROVOKED my *** !!

He and Russia are going to LOSE this war... ONE way or another... and THAT is the ONLY kind of "diplomacy" that Putin understands !!  IT WILL BE be the BEST thing for America and NATO.. and it will cost at PENNIES on the dollar versus if WE had to fight it ourselves... WHAT'S MORE?... it has currently cost us ZERO American lives !!

CHEAP at TWICE the price !!