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maineman » 28 Sep 2023, 8:52 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Sep 2023, 8:52 pm

right after your retraction

Why would I retract the truth?  You're the idiot with his head buried so far up Biden's ***, he refuses to acknowledge fraud.

 

golfboy » 28 Sep 2023, 8:59 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Sep 2023, 8:59 pm

Why would I retract the truth?  You're the idiot with his head buried so far up Biden's ***, he refuses to acknowledge fraud.

all you can do is allege fraud.  No Kraken lawyer has ever gone into court and claimed fraud in a complaint.

golfboy » 28 Sep 2023, 8:57 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Sep 2023, 8:57 pm

From the guy that claimed "Voter Fraud" had a specific legal definition, then couldn't find it. 

No fraud.     
FBI Hides Evidence of Nationwide Voter Registration Fraud

I gave you a great Heritage Foundation link which, of course, you couldn't read.  

golfboy » 28 Sep 2023, 8:58 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Sep 2023, 8:58 pm

Wouldn't matter, you're still too stupid to refute it.

why would I need to?

That cool story and a buck gets you a small coffee some places.

maineman » 28 Sep 2023, 9:05 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Sep 2023, 9:05 pm

why would I need to?

That cool story and a buck gets you a small coffee some places.

You can't.  That's the amusing part. 
 

maineman » 28 Sep 2023, 9:02 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Sep 2023, 9:02 pm

all you can do is allege fraud.  No Kraken lawyer has ever gone into court and claimed fraud in a complaint.

He claims in a thread STARTED with proof that his claim is a lie. 
 

golfboy » 28 Sep 2023, 9:07 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Sep 2023, 9:07 pm

He claims in a thread STARTED with proof that his claim is a lie.

so.... you still can't show any cases out of the list in the OP, which, of course, you have never actually read, that could prove me wrong?  It would seem like such an easy thing to do if you could.  Even your vaunted #18, which you claimed proved your point, was decided on its merits and the ruling even states that the complainant had not alleged any fraud.  You're pathetic.

golfboy » 28 Sep 2023, 9:06 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Sep 2023, 9:06 pm

You can't.  That's the amusing part.

I won't.  I have no need to.  Three years later and all you guys have to show for it are cups full of your own tears, **** whiners.  

FJB » 28 Sep 2023, 11:17 am » wrote: ↑

28 Sep 2023, 11:17 am

HEY ****... WHO CONTROLS THE HOUSE RIGHT NOW?

If your parents taught you to talk to total strangers that way, I'm sorry your parents did such a disservice to you.

Joe Biden is in our White House right now. 

What does that have to do with my reply? The person said that democrats will pay for cheating. The people of our nation have to made the democrats "pay" for cheating. In fact, the people of our nation have rewarded the democrats the last 3 elections by voting for them. So I need to ask, when will the people of our nation make democrats "pay" for cheating? 

Seems that the people of our nation are making the republicans pay for their deplorable behavior. You all lost the last 3 elections and are probably going to lose the next one. 

So no one is going to make democrats "pay" for cheating. Mostly because democrats didn't cheat. We all know about the many republicans who did cheat in the 2020 election, it's been reported in the news. Yet no one has presented any proof or evidence that the democrats cheated. 

Just saying something doesn't make it true. 

Biden won the election fair and square no matter what lies trump and his people repeat.

After all the court cases, not one shred of evidence was presented that proved any fraud by democrats.

There has been a lot of proof of cheating by republicans. I could fill a message box with articles of republicans cheating a committing vote fraud in 2020 but I'm sure you will not read even one of them. Here are a few:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/re ... n-n1271985

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 76344.html

https://www.salon.com/2020/11/06/republ ... a_partner/

https://news.yahoo.com/nevada-man-claim ... 40307.html

You might want to learn how to interact with people without being so rude and using such vulgar language. 

If your parents tried to teach you how to be a civilized human being, I'm sure they ware ashamed of what you have become. 

maineman » 28 Sep 2023, 7:17 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Sep 2023, 7:17 pm

funny that you talk about things that people learn on the first day of boot camp which only highlights the obvious fact that you never went to boot camp.

Milley talked to the Chinese military leaders in the wake of J6 when Trump was a lame duck with only two weeks left in office.  If he had attempted to take any preemptive military action against China in those last two weeks, it would have been taken by someone who was clearly a domestic enemy of the Constitution, and THAT is the first and foremost loyalty that any officer in the military has... not to the president.  As a matter of fact, the oath of office for commissioned officers does not even MENTION the president... only the Constitution.

Same with non commissioned officers.

When I raised my right hand and took the oath of the Air National Guard for my state, I took an oath to the US constitution and the constitution of my state.

NOT the president or the governor of my state.

Yes, the people you have been replying to have never served in the military.

maineman » 28 Sep 2023, 7:17 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Sep 2023, 7:17 pm

funny that you talk about things that people learn on the first day of boot camp which only highlights the obvious fact that you never went to boot camp.

Milley talked to the Chinese military leaders in the wake of J6 when Trump was a lame duck with only two weeks left in office.  If he had attempted to take any preemptive military action against China in those last two weeks, it would have been taken by someone who was clearly a domestic enemy of the Constitution, and THAT is the first and foremost loyalty that any officer in the military has... not to the president.  As a matter of fact, the oath of office for commissioned officers does not even MENTION the president... only the Constitution.

Hey dickhead!
I didn't need boot camp to teach me that the US Constitution gives the SOLE power of foreign policy to the President!
That was a fact that I probably learned before high school, and obviously one you've yet to fully comprehend.

So you believe Trump was "clearly a domestic enemy of the Constitution", huh?  Did you impart that idiotic OPINION of yours to Milley, since THAT'S ALL IT WAS; A SAMPLE OF YOUR OWN IDIOTIC OPINION?

Milley gave aid and comfort to the enemy by not only telling them that the US had no plans to attack them, BUT THAT HE'D CALL AND WARN THEM FIRST IF WE DID?  THAT'S CALLED TREASON, you fool, and the penalty that's still on the books for that crime is EXECUTION!

So according to a dope like you, ANY member of ANY branch of the service can contact ANY foreign country and provide them with their own version of foreign policy that they plan to enforce, SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY DISAGREED WITH THE FOREIGN POLICY THAT WAS LEGALLY ESTABLISHED BY THE CONSTITUTION when giving that power ONLY to the President?
Why don't you show us all where THAT stupidity is stipulated in the Constitution, you moron?

Try to explain now how you're not suffering from a severe case of Trump Derangement Syndrome that's clearly infected your tiny brain!

 

Zeets2 » 29 Sep 2023, 8:31 am » wrote: ↑

29 Sep 2023, 8:31 am

Hey dickhead!
I didn't need boot camp to teach me that the US Constitution gives the SOLE power of foreign policy to the President!
That was a fact that I probably learned before high school, and obviously one you've yet to fully comprehend.

So you believe Trump was "clearly a domestic enemy of the Constitution", huh?  Did you impart that idiotic OPINION of yours to Milley, since THAT'S ALL IT WAS; A SAMPLE OF YOUR OWN IDIOTIC OPINION?

Milley gave aid and comfort to the enemy by not only telling them that the US had no plans to attack them, BUT THAT HE'D CALL AND WARN THEM FIRST IF WE DID?  THAT'S CALLED TREASON, you fool, and the penalty that's still on the books for that crime is EXECUTION!

So according to a dope like you, ANY member of ANY branch of the service can contact ANY foreign country and provide them with their own version of foreign policy that they plan to enforce, SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY DISAGREED WITH THE FOREIGN POLICY THAT WAS LEGALLY ESTABLISHED BY THE CONSTITUTION when giving that power ONLY to the President?
Why don't you show us all where THAT stupidity is stipulated in the Constitution, you moron?

Try to explain now how you're not suffering from a severe case of Trump Derangement Syndrome that's clearly infected your tiny brain!

The list of decorated miiltary flag officer heroes who came out against the dangerous, anti-democratic Trump regime were legion.  Nearly two-thirds of the living members of my company at Annapolis, most of whom were like me and served a full career in uniform - and most of whom (unlike me) were lifelong Republicans - were all appalled at what a terrible president Trump had been and how lucky we were to have sanity and competency back in the Oval Office...tha and they were all eager and willing to share that opinion amongst our group at my last homecoming in the fall of last year.

Like I said, a commissioned officer in the US Military does NOT take an oath to the president but to the Constitution.  Milley simply assured China that we had no legitimate reason to preemptively strike them in the last two weeks of Trump's presidency - AND WE DIDN'T.  If Trump had attempted to take some crazy military action against China post-J6, as a ploy to remain in power, THAT would have been unconstitutional and Milley would have been SWORN to oppose it.

And just so you know, treason requires the specific proven intent to betray the United States to the benefit of our enemy.  Milley's warning to China did neither.

maineman » 28 Sep 2023, 7:09 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Sep 2023, 7:09 pm

In order for there to be an enemy, there has to be a war.  China is not our enemy, and if the CJCS felt the CINC was deranged and a traitor to the Constitution, as he had pretty much proven himself to be when he demanded that Pence "do the right thing" and overturn the election, giving them his assurances that any preemptive attack in the next two weeks would be as a result of Trump's derangement.... that would have been an effort to support and defend the constitution from a clear domestic enemy of it.

WRONG, DICKHEAD!
President Trump HAS referred to China as an enemy, AND THAT ESTABLISHES HIS FOREIGN POLICY WHICH MILLEY DIDN'T LIKE!
Here, read his quote in the Washington Post:

Amid trade war, Trump drops pretense of friendship with China’s Xi Jinping, calls him an ‘enemy’
By David Nakamura August 23, 2019 
President Trump on Friday lashed out personally at Chinese President Xi Jinping, calling him an “enemy” in a dramatic escalation of rhetoric that could signal a deeper shift in his administration’s increasingly confrontational strategy toward China.

Here, moron!  Educate your stupid self!:

18 U.S. Code § 2381 - Treason
Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 807; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(2)(J), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)

So if your goal was to prove your ignorance in the matter, you've succeeded brilliantly!
Milley should have been court-martialed and charged with treason, AND YOU KNOW IT!

 
 

PNW0637 » 29 Sep 2023, 8:05 am » wrote: ↑

29 Sep 2023, 8:05 am

If your parents taught you to talk to total strangers that way, I'm sorry your parents did such a disservice to you.

Joe Biden is in our White House right now. 

What does that have to do with my reply? The person said that democrats will pay for cheating. The people of our nation have to made the democrats "pay" for cheating. In fact, the people of our nation have rewarded the democrats the last 3 elections by voting for them. So I need to ask, when will the people of our nation make democrats "pay" for cheating? 

Seems that the people of our nation are making the republicans pay for their deplorable behavior. You all lost the last 3 elections and are probably going to lose the next one. 

So no one is going to make democrats "pay" for cheating. Mostly because democrats didn't cheat. We all know about the many republicans who did cheat in the 2020 election, it's been reported in the news. Yet no one has presented any proof or evidence that the democrats cheated. 

Just saying something doesn't make it true. 

Biden won the election fair and square no matter what lies trump and his people repeat.

After all the court cases, not one shred of evidence was presented that proved any fraud by democrats.

There has been a lot of proof of cheating by republicans. I could fill a message box with articles of republicans cheating a committing vote fraud in 2020 but I'm sure you will not read even one of them. Here are a few:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/re ... n-n1271985

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 76344.html

https://www.salon.com/2020/11/06/republ ... a_partner/

https://news.yahoo.com/nevada-man-claim ... 40307.html

You might want to learn how to interact with people without being so rude and using such vulgar language. 

If your parents tried to teach you how to be a civilized human being, I'm sure they ware ashamed of what you have become.

**** YOU...POS LIBERAL ASSWIPE

maineman » 29 Sep 2023, 8:51 am » wrote: ↑

29 Sep 2023, 8:51 am

The list of decorated miiltary flag officer heroes who came out against the dangerous, anti-democratic Trump regime were legion.  Nearly two-thirds of the living members of my company at Annapolis, most of whom were like me and served a full career in uniform - and most of whom (unlike me) were lifelong Republicans - were all appalled at what a terrible president Trump had been and how lucky we were to have sanity and competency back in the Oval Office...tha and they were all eager and willing to share that opinion amongst our group at my last homecoming in the fall of last year.

Like I said, a commissioned officer in the US Military does NOT take an oath to the president but to the Constitution.  Milley simply assured China that we had no legitimate reason to preemptively strike them in the last two weeks of Trump's presidency - AND WE DIDN'T.  If Trump had attempted to take some crazy military action against China post-J6, as a ploy to remain in power, THAT would have been unconstitutional and Milley would have been SWORN to oppose it.

And just so you know, treason requires the specific proven intent to betray the United States to the benefit of our enemy.  Milley's warning to China did neither.

What complete ****!
As if anyone here would believe you have the slightest clue on how "appalled" those in the military were against Trump, AFTER THEY HAD HELPED PUT HIM IN OFFICE IN 2016 by giving him a winning margin of 40.5% to 20.6% for Hillary! 
Who the hell are YOU who thinks you can speak for ANYONE ELSE in the military?

So since we agree with the simple fact that the military takes their oath to the Constitution and not to the President, why can't you show us where the Constitution provides and exemption to the military to the law for treason IF THEY HAPPEN TO DISAGREE WITH THE FOREIGN POLICY PUT FORTH BY THE PRESIDENT?

Go ahead and try to find that, fool!
I'll wait!
 

PNW0637 » 29 Sep 2023, 8:31 am » wrote: ↑

29 Sep 2023, 8:31 am

Same with non commissioned officers.

When I raised my right hand and took the oath of the Air National Guard for my state, I took an oath to the US constitution and the constitution of my state.

NOT the president or the governor of my state.

Yes, the people you have been replying to have never served in the military.

Pssssst. **** NUT, the Constitution says that the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES is the COMMANDER AND CHIEF OF THE MILITARY!! That means YOU FOLLOW ORDERS HE GIVES AND DO SO WITHOUT QUESTION!! PERIOD!!! THAT'S what it means to UPHOLD YOUR OATH TO THE MILITARY!!

Now, tell us again how the Constitution wasn't violated BY MILLEY when he went to the CHICOMS!!!

**** YOU TREASONOUS ASSHOLE!! YOU SUPPORT TREASON AND THOSE COMMITTING IT!!

Zeets2 » 29 Sep 2023, 9:02 am » wrote: ↑

29 Sep 2023, 9:02 am

What complete ****!
As if anyone here would believe you have the slightest clue on how "appalled" those in the military were against Trump, AFTER THEY HAD HELPED PUT HIM IN OFFICE IN 2016 by giving him a winning margin of 40.5% to 20.6% for Hillary! 
Who the hell are YOU who thinks you can speak for ANYONE ELSE in the military?

So since we agree with the simple fact that the military takes their oath to the Constitution and not to the President, why can't you show us where the Constitution provides and exemption to the military to the law for treason IF THEY HAPPEN TO DISAGREE WITH THE FOREIGN POLICY PUT FORTH BY THE PRESIDENT?

Go ahead and try to find that, fool!
I'll wait!

Enlisted personnel were strongly supportive of Trump.  Officers, not so much, even in 2016.  By 2020 he had lost a lot of support within the officer ranks, and who the hell am I to know what anyone thinks in the military?  I am just a man who spent a quarter of a century in uniform and who keeps in close touch with scores and scores of former, classmates and shipmates, a large chunk of whom spent as much time or more than that in uniform themselves.  

Here... educate yourself, or, as I suspect, you won't read any of these links because willful ignorance is your preferred look.

https://thehill.com/policy/national-sec ... n-of-duty/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... -military/
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/21/opin ... itary.html
https://www.yahoo.com/video/why-780-ret ... 28356.html

maineman » 29 Sep 2023, 9:26 am » wrote: ↑

29 Sep 2023, 9:26 am

Enlisted personnel were strongly supportive of Trump.  Officers, not so much, even in 2016.  By 2020 he had lost a lot of support within the officer ranks, and who the hell am I to know what anyone thinks in the military?  I am just a man who spent a quarter of a century in uniform and who keeps in close touch with scores and scores of former, classmates and shipmates, a large chunk of whom spent as much time or more than that in uniform themselves.  

Here... educate yourself, or, as I suspect, you won't read any of these links because willful ignorance is your preferred look.

https://thehill.com/policy/national-sec ... n-of-duty/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... -military/
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/21/opin ... itary.html
https://www.yahoo.com/video/why-780-ret ... 28356.html

YOU ARE A LYING **** POS... OFFICERS TODAY ARE WOJE **** COWARDS PUT THERE BY THE NIGGA OBAMA

Zeets2 » 29 Sep 2023, 9:02 am » wrote: ↑

29 Sep 2023, 9:02 am

What complete ****!
As if anyone here would believe you have the slightest clue on how "appalled" those in the military were against Trump, AFTER THEY HAD HELPED PUT HIM IN OFFICE IN 2016 by giving him a winning margin of 40.5% to 20.6% for Hillary! 
Who the hell are YOU who thinks you can speak for ANYONE ELSE in the military?

So since we agree with the simple fact that the military takes their oath to the Constitution and not to the President, why can't you show us where the Constitution provides and exemption to the military to the law for treason IF THEY HAPPEN TO DISAGREE WITH THE FOREIGN POLICY PUT FORTH BY THE PRESIDENT?

Go ahead and try to find that, fool!
I'll wait!

we can't agree on anything.  

Enlisted personnel take an oath of ENLISTMENT to support and defend the Constitution and to obey the orders of the President of the United States and the officers appointed over them. but only if those orders comport with the Uniform Code of Military Justice.... i.e., they don't have to comply with an unlawful order.  

Officers take an oath of OFFICE to support and defend the Constitution.  period.  Our oath makes no mention of the president or the UCMJ which gives officers the latitude to individually determine whether following any particular order would in fact support or defend the Constitution - OR NOT - and act accordingly.  Any officer who disobeyed a rogue president's order to launch a preemptive nuclear strike would have an easy time beating a treason charge at court-martial simply by showing that his intent was virtuous and not treasonous and was only designed to support and defend the Constitution.  A Trump-ordered post-January 6th strike against China would be a textbook example.

And people who say that military officers today are required to follow the orders of the President WITHOUT QUESTION are the moral descendants of all those Nazi SS officers and concentration camp guards who followed the orders of THEIR "president" and gassed millions of innocent Jews.

Even ENLISTED personnel, who take an oath to follow the orders of the president must ensure that those orders are lawful before following them.

Commissioned Officers have an even more personal path of introspection and discernment. Their oath is to the Constitution alone, and if they feel that the President, or even any officer senior to them, has given them an order that endangers the Constitution in any way, they are bound by their oath of office to NOT follow that order.