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GHETTOBLASTER » 25 Sep 2023, 12:22 am » wrote: ↑

25 Sep 2023, 12:22 am

Like I said before..I think you'll find that he was repeating the info that was released by the drug companies. What would you want him to say at that point..that Trump did his own study...?

Presidents are not garage mechanics. They are responsible for what comes out of their mouths. Especially when it kills their constituents.

Why weren't YOU fooled?

Why didn't trump's lies stupidity - I will pretend along with you that he was stupid, not lying - convince YOU?

Why didn't YOU believe the drug companies - like you're saying trump did?

Trump lied. And people died. He could have told the truth. He didn't. He even took saline, to trick you.
 
 

Cannonpointer » 25 Sep 2023, 12:28 am » wrote: ↑

25 Sep 2023, 12:28 am

Presidents are not garage mechanics. They are responsible for what comes out of their mouths. Especially when it kills their constituents.

Why weren't YOU fooled?

Why didn't trump's lies stupidity - I will pretend along with you that he was stupid, not lying - convince YOU?

Why didn't YOU believe the drug companies - like you're saying trump did?

Trump lied. And people died. He could have told the truth. He didn't. He even took saline, to trick you.

OK..you're sure that Trump knew all along that the vaccine was going to be the deadliest ever produced and I'm not so sure.
I was leery about the need for a vaccine for a virus  that basically only kills elderly people who have pre-existing comorbid factors.
I think something like 85% to 90% of the deaths fit that category.
Once you subtract that sum...then the remaining 10% to 15% of the deaths [let's say 100,000] are divided by the remaining 280MM in the younger age brackets.
That's about a 1 in 2,800 chance of death which is pretty insignificant. 
It took me months to finally get 100% clear of the mucus drainage and random coughs....I was 64 when I caught it and no vaccine was available.
It was the recovery period that was the most dangerous//with massive drainage of all the damaged tissue.
Who knows...I might have cleaner sinus passages now than before I came down with it...?
 

GHETTOBLASTER » 25 Sep 2023, 12:41 am » wrote: ↑

25 Sep 2023, 12:41 am

OK..you're sure that Trump knew all along that the vaccine was going to be the deadliest ever produced and I'm not so sure.

I said he lied when he called it safe, and he lied when he called it effective. Because I was answering the OP - not building straw men to savage.

Now, I insist that you defend your claim. What evidence can you supply in support of YOUR thesis that tRump "knew all along that the vaccine was going to be the deadliest ever produced"? You said it - I didn't. So... got proof?

Be precise, please.

GHETTOBLASTER » 25 Sep 2023, 12:41 am » wrote: ↑

25 Sep 2023, 12:41 am

I was leery about the need for a vaccine for a virus  that basically only kills elderly people who have pre-existing comorbid factors.

But trump, he was dumb - not smaht like you. He missed that step in the calculations.

GHETTOBLASTER » 25 Sep 2023, 12:41 am » wrote: ↑

25 Sep 2023, 12:41 am

I think something like 85% to 90% of the deaths fit that category.
Once you subtract that sum...then the remaining 10% to 15% of the deaths [let's say 100,000] are divided by the remaining 280MM in the younger age brackets.
That's about a 1 in 2,800 chance of death which is pretty insignificant. 
It took me months to finally get 100% clear of the mucus drainage and random coughs....I was 64 when I caught it and no vaccine was available.
It was the recovery period that was the most dangerous//with massive drainage of all the damaged tissue.
Who knows...I might have cleaner sinus passages now than before I came down with it...?

Trump said the vax was safe and effective. That was false. You AGREE that was false. It was not just one lie - it was two lies.

But since it was trump, SOMEHOW, by the transitive property of trump cannot tell a lie, the lie became an untrue non-lie.

That about sum up your position? I don't want to straw man, so tell me if that isn't a fair summary. Describe how it ISN'T your position.

Bruce » 22 Sep 2023, 6:55 am » wrote: ↑

22 Sep 2023, 6:55 am

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What a **** moron.       Is the jerra's sok?          

Cannonpointer » 25 Sep 2023, 1:13 am » wrote: ↑

25 Sep 2023, 1:13 am

I said he lied when he called it safe, and he lied when he called it effective. Because I was answering the OP - not building straw men to savage.

Now, I insist that you defend your claim. What evidence can you supply in support of YOUR thesis that tRump "knew all along that the vaccine was going to be the deadliest ever produced"? You said it - I didn't. So... got proof?

 

If I saw more signs of death and disease I would have risked taking the vaccine. I was in a major hospital's ER a few times [with my GF who had knee problems and who was also in a car wreck] during the height of the pandemic and didn't see anyone in the waiting rooms coughing, choking, respiratory distress, etc. Same goes for other public places...I never saw anyone out in public looking like we were living through THE BLACK PLAGUE..not even the Bums and Hobos who hang out by the Welfare Office.
I'm the one who is saying Trump is citing official sources. 
Let's say 200 million people in the USA are vaccinated 
What does YOUR official source tell you is the OFFICIAL NUMBER of adverse reactions...?
Whatever that number is [I'm sure you've got it handy] then take that number, divide it into 200 MM and then tell me what the chances of an adverse reaction is based on your data. 
Whatever that number is...calling it either safe or not is a judgement call...not an absolute.

Biden said over the weekend that he's been to every mass shooting.

I don't know if that qualifies more as insanity or a lie.....

nuckinfutz » 24 Sep 2023, 1:13 pm » wrote: ↑

24 Sep 2023, 1:13 pm

You STFU! I am not tied to any political party!    

Her never said you were, *******. He said you VOTED FOR THEM!!

Comprehension is NOT one of your best traits. Neither is a high IQ!!

GHETTOBLASTER » 25 Sep 2023, 5:30 am » wrote: ↑

25 Sep 2023, 5:30 am

If I saw more signs of death and disease I would have risked taking the vaccine. I was in a major hospital's ER a few times [with my GF who had knee problems and who was also in a car wreck] during the height of the pandemic and didn't see anyone in the waiting rooms coughing, choking, respiratory distress, etc. Same goes for other public places...I never saw anyone out in public looking like we were living through THE BLACK PLAGUE..not even the Bums and Hobos who hang out by the Welfare Office.
I'm the one who is saying Trump is citing official sources.

Right. He lied, people died, but by the transitive power of trump can't lie, the lie became a mere nontruth.

GHETTOBLASTER » 25 Sep 2023, 5:30 am » wrote: ↑

25 Sep 2023, 5:30 am

Let's say 200 million people in the USA are vaccinated 
What does YOUR official source tell you is the OFFICIAL NUMBER of adverse reactions...?
Whatever that number is [I'm sure you've got it handy] then take that number, divide it into 200 MM and then tell me what the chances of an adverse reaction is based on your data.

The VAERS system logged more adverse reactions from this one vax regime than from all other vaxes combined in the history of the system. The data were manipulated and are untrustworthy, as you knew when you wrote that ****. 

The pretense that this was anything except an experiment - any sort of finished, legitimate product - is simply playing along with the pharma industry. I can SEE trump doing it - he is one of them. What is your motive?

Got stock?

GHETTOBLASTER » 25 Sep 2023, 5:30 am » wrote: ↑

25 Sep 2023, 5:30 am

Whatever that number is...calling it either safe or not is a judgement call...not an absolute.

No, safe and effective are legal terms - not judgment calls. No matter how many times that lie is told or how many people tell it, "safe and effective" remain legal terms - not judgment calls. We have an actual agency whose actual job is to apply those legal terms to pharma's products. It's pretty much their only **** responsibility. 

Why would you want to defend a lie, simply because you admire the man who told it? I guess that question answers itself...
 
 

Cannonpointer » 25 Sep 2023, 8:14 am » wrote: ↑

25 Sep 2023, 8:14 am

Right. He lied, people died, but by the transitive power of trump can't lie, the lie became a mere nontruth.

The VAERS system logged more adverse reactions from this one vax regime than from all other vaxes combined in the history of the system. The data were manipulated and are untrustworthy, as you knew when you wrote that ****. 

The pretense that this was anything except an experiment - any sort of finished, legitimate product - is simply playing along with the pharma industry. I can SEE trump doing it - he is one of them. What is your motive?

Got stock?

No, safe and effective are legal terms - not judgment calls. No matter how many times that lie is told or how many people tell it, "safe and effective" remain legal terms - not judgment calls. We have an actual agency whose actual job is to apply those legal terms to pharma's products. It's pretty much their only **** responsibility. 

Why would you want to defend a lie, simply because you admire the man who told it? I guess that question answers itself...

Well tell me what the legal thresh holds are for "safe and effective"

I believe that most reports to Vaers are made by doctors...but I could make a report if I wanted to.
So it's all non-confirmed.
I lost track of the Vaers case count but there was an impressive amount last time I checked it was about  300,000
A legit adverse reaction report could be nothing more than a mild reaction..some could be totally bogus...so let's toss out 1/3 and say that there have been 200,000 severe reaction with the 200 MM who have been vaxxed.
So if  1 out of every 1000  was an otherwise healthy person who experienced an adverse reaction that would be a horrible and needless risk for a young healthy person and not a very rosy option if you are old and frail.
If my rough figuring is in the ball park....then in every "small town USA"  there would have been dozens tragic stories about adverse reactions with young people.....but were there...?
Without a pile of 100,000 bodies of young health victims  to point to and 100,000 pending law suits from Vaccine Victims ......Trump had no choice but to take the Vaers reports as unreliable . 

 
 

GHETTOBLASTER » 25 Sep 2023, 11:20 am » wrote: ↑

25 Sep 2023, 11:20 am

Well tell me what the legal thresh holds are for "safe and effective"

I already did. There are a number of broad based double blind studies that have to be completed, and then the data must be tabulated and sent to the FDA.

That's how those LEGAL designations are EARNED.

It's not about feelings.

Say that a hundred **** times. It is NOT ABOUT FEELINGS. Safe and effective are LEGAL DESIGNATIONS - NOT FEEEEELINGS.

GHETTOBLASTER » 25 Sep 2023, 11:20 am » wrote: ↑

25 Sep 2023, 11:20 am

I believe that most reports to Vaers are made by doctors...but I could make a report if I wanted to.
So it's all non-confirmed.

So when you requested those data, you were being dishonest?

Is this you coming clean?

GHETTOBLASTER » 25 Sep 2023, 11:20 am » wrote: ↑

25 Sep 2023, 11:20 am

I lost track of the Vaers case count but there was an impressive amount last time I checked it was about  300,000
A legit adverse reaction report could be nothing more than a mild reaction..some could be totally bogus...so let's toss out 1/3 and say that there have been 200,000 severe reaction with the 200 MM who have been vaxxed.
So if  1 out of every 1000  was an otherwise healthy person who experienced an adverse reaction that would be a horrible and needless risk for a young healthy person and not a very rosy option if you are old and frail.
If my rough figuring is in the ball park....then in every "small town USA"  there would have been dozens tragic stories about adverse reactions with young people.....but were there...?
Without piles of bodies to point to and 1000s of pending law suits from Vaccine Victims ......Trump had no choice but to take the Vaers reports as unreliable .

Is that a yes?
 

Cannonpointer » 25 Sep 2023, 11:23 am » wrote: ↑

25 Sep 2023, 11:23 am

I already did. There are a number of broad based double blind studies that have to be completed, and then the data must be tabulated and sent to the FDA.

That's how those LEGAL designations are EARNED.

It's not about feelings.

Say that a hundred **** times. It is NOT ABOUT FEELINGS. Safe and effective are LEGAL DESIGNATIONS - NOT FEEEEELINGS.

So when you requested those data, you were being dishonest?

Is this you coming clean?

Is that a yes?

The FDA declared it safe and effective in 2021..so unless Trump had a mountain of confirmed vaccine tragedies to point to..what was he supposed to say...?
That he has FEELINGS the vax is unsafe...?
FDA Approves First COVID-19 Vaccine | FDA

GHETTOBLASTER » 25 Sep 2023, 11:50 am » wrote: ↑

25 Sep 2023, 11:50 am

The FDA declared it safe and effective in 2021..so unless Trump had a mountain of confirmed vaccine tragedies to point to..what was he supposed to say...?
That he has FEELINGS the vax is unsafe...?
FDA Approves First COVID-19 Vaccine | FDA

This was a shell game and not a legal finding. That said, the date was august 23 of '21. Trump lied and pretended to take the experiment before he ever left orifice.

AGAIN, the OP challenge is to show t-Rump lying. Showing a fake news shell game 8 months after his office was stolen by the deep state does not rescue him from the lies he told BEFORE that shell game - even if I pretend the shell game is real.

The FDA has not put ANY on the vaccines through the approval process. The approval process has TIME as one of the measures - and the necessary time has not passed to meet the measure. 
 
 

Cannonpointer » 25 Sep 2023, 12:15 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Sep 2023, 12:15 pm

This was a shell game and not a legal finding. That said, the date was august 23 of '21. Trump lied and pretended to take the experiment before he ever left orifice.

AGAIN, the OP challenge is to show t-Rump lying. Showing a fake news shell game 8 months after his office was stolen by the deep state does not rescue him from the lies he told BEFORE that shell game - even if I pretend the shell game is real.

The FDA has not put ANY on the vaccines through the approval process. The approval process has TIME as one of the measures - and the necessary time has not passed to meet the measure.

So you think Trump was part of the [[[JWO]]] conspiracy to infect as many Americans and Peoples of the World  as possible with a vaccine that's deliberately engineered to be a "Ticking Time Bomb" against humanity...?

GHETTOBLASTER » 25 Sep 2023, 12:20 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Sep 2023, 12:20 pm

So you think Trump was part of the [[[JWO]]] conspiracy to infect as many Americans and Peoples of the World  as possible with a vaccine that's deliberately engineered to be a "Ticking Time Bomb" against humanity...?

Hold on, now.

Is that how you see the vaccine?

Do you believe it is a bio-weapon that trump ACCIDENTALLY released on us?

Yes/No
 
 

Cannonpointer » 24 Sep 2023, 9:10 pm » wrote: ↑

24 Sep 2023, 9:10 pm

You're a child groomer and a sexual predator - that's a tie to the democ rats.

You're a bald faced LIAR! And you know it! C'mon man! Give me full privileges!
 

nuckinfutz » 25 Sep 2023, 12:31 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Sep 2023, 12:31 pm

You're a bald faced LIAR! And you know it! C'mon man! Give me full privileges!

You're a child grooming homo.
 

Cannonpointer » 25 Sep 2023, 12:25 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Sep 2023, 12:25 pm

Hold on, now.

Is that how you see the vaccine?

Do you believe it is a bio-weapon that trump ACCIDENTALLY released on us?

Yes/No

Whenever I try to make sense of all major events that are traceable back to the hands / deep pockets of the GLOBALIST ELITE BILLIONAIRE CLUB.....I bear in mind what I believe is their ultimate agendae.
So I don't rule anything out but only God knows for sure what is going on.
 

That It didn’t rain on his inaugurationTrump began his presidency by lying about the weather.It rained onTrump’s inaugural address. Then, at a celebratory ball later that day, Trump told the gathering that the rain “just never came” until he finished talking and went inside, at which point “it poured.”  This was one of their 1st lies of Trump’s presidency. Like his lies that same week about his inauguration crowd, it hinted at what would come next.

He lied about the Corona virus. He said it was like the common flu, and that it would just go away, that is was "disappearing". and that he had things "under control". I think we all know that was a big whopper of a LIE. 

The most traditional big lie: that Trump said he didn’t know about the payment to Stormy Daniels

GHETTOBLASTER » 25 Sep 2023, 12:34 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Sep 2023, 12:34 pm

Whenever I try to make sense of all major events that are traceable back to the hands / deep pockets of the GLOBALIST ELITE BILLIONAIRE CLUB.....I bear in mind what I believe is their ultimate agendae.
So I don't rule anything out but only God knows for sure what is going on.

Well, it's a pretty important question that colors how I respond to the question you asked ME.

We both agree that tRump was the one individual who was necessary to the vax hitting the market at warp speed. Any other player or corporation could have been replaced by another. Pfizer could have sat it out and let Moderna have the market, for example. Even Fauci - hard working, committed depopulation demon that he was - could have called in sick and this **** could still have been pulled off.

If we both agree that the vax is a bio weapon (IOW, if neither of us is gay), then we both agree that trump was the ONE GUY that was indispensible to a bioweapon being released on the American public. 

Think about that. Now add that the cocksucker lined up and pretended to play the lab rat with an untested **** experiment - something he would never do and they would never allow. I'd say he looks like a real piece of **** through that lens.

You?
 

Cannonpointer » 25 Sep 2023, 12:54 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Sep 2023, 12:54 pm

Well, it's a pretty important question that colors how I respond to the question you asked ME.

We both agree that tRump was the one individual who was necessary to the vax hitting the market at warp speed. Any other player or corporation could have been replaced by another. Pfizer could have sat it out and let Moderna have the market, for example. Even Fauci - hard working, committed depopulation demon that he was - could have called in sick and this **** could still have been pulled off.

If we both agree that the vax is a bio weapon (IOW, if neither of us is gay), then we both agree that trump was the ONE GUY that was indispensible to a bioweapon being released on the American public. 

Think about that. Now add that the cocksucker lined up and pretended to play the lab rat with an untested **** experiment - something he would never do and they would never allow. I'd say he looks like a real piece of **** through that lens.

You?

Any President in Trump's shoes would have implemented a "Warp Speed" type Presidential decree...regardless of his inner knowledge about some sort of diabolical plan to sabotage his presidency 
I don't know if Trump took the shot or not and neither do you.
Trump very well could have promoted the vaccine in good faith regardless of  your suspicions