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maineman » 04 Oct 2023, 10:42 am » wrote: ↑

04 Oct 2023, 10:42 am

It explained away several of your talking points, but I guarantee you, you'll use them again as if they'd never been debunked.

Face it:  you so desperately want Donald Trump to have actually won the presidency in 2020 that you will believe any cockamamie conspiracy theory that has the evil Democrats stealing it from him.  The guy that Trump himself put in charge of election security said that 2020 was the most secure, error-free election in history and you refuse to believe him.  You have no evidence of systemic nefarious election fraud.  The fix was not in.  Covid was not a democratic hoax to backdoor our way into more absentee ballots.  Trump lost and he lost bigly.

 You all need to put on your big boy panties and move the **** on or risk bringing our entire democracy down on your heads.  For chrissakes, just look at the **** clown show going on in the House of Representatives.  Is that your vision for the future?

See, that's where you're dead wrong and have zero understanding of Trump's supporters.
The fact that you'll never acknowledge is that even though the fraud was rampant, WE ONLY CARE ABOUT ELECTION PROCEDURES NOW so that next year's vote won't be so easy to fix as 2020 and 2022 were!  And that's obviously something YOU don't give a **** about, at least until the day comes when Democrats are cheated out of winning an election as Trump was.

You need to hold onto your own panties at least until the time when Trump gets to prove in an open court how the vote was fixed.
Because all that matters now is making sure that next year's election is free of fraud.
But we all know that's NOT what you libs want, is it?
 

Mrkelly » 04 Oct 2023, 10:57 am » wrote: ↑

04 Oct 2023, 10:57 am

yes there was

biden actually got more votes than was recorded 

After months of work and some $6 million spent, a so-called audit that Trump supporters claimed would show that the election had been stolen from the defeated president found that Joe Biden actually won Arizona by more votes than the official tally — and it found no conclusive evidence that the election had been influenced by fraud.

https://www.azmirror.com/2021/09/23/ari ... -of-fraud/

a rock could have beat trump in az. and it will be proven that trump knew he lost in az and still called it stolen. that would be fraud in itself.
 

jerrab » 04 Oct 2023, 12:35 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Oct 2023, 12:35 pm

a rock could have beat trump in az. and it will be proven that trump knew he lost in az and still called it stolen. that would be fraud in itself.

Democrats will go down foe cheating

Zeets2 » 04 Oct 2023, 11:07 am » wrote: ↑

04 Oct 2023, 11:07 am

See, that's where you're dead wrong and have zero understanding of Trump's supporters.
The fact that you'll never acknowledge is that even though the fraud was rampant, WE ONLY CARE ABOUT ELECTION PROCEDURES NOW so that next year's vote won't be so easy to fix as 2020 and 2022 were!  And that's obviously something YOU don't give a **** about, at least until the day comes when Democrats are cheated out of winning an election as Trump was.

You need to hold onto your own panties at least until the time when Trump gets to prove in an open court how the vote was fixed.
Because all that matters now is making sure that next year's election is free of fraud.
But we all know that's NOT what you libs want, is it?

You lying sack of ****.  It the only thing you cared about was election procedures going forward, why all this talk about Racine County in 2020?  Give it up.  Your boy lost fair and square.  The procedures were in place for anyone to use.  If you chose not to attempt to maximize your GOTV efforts by emphasizing mail-in ballots, well shucks, guess you **** up, eh?  Better luck next time.  Democrats WORK at GOTV.  Republicans hope it happens miraculously.

I want 2024 to be just as safe, secure, and fraud-free as 2020 was.  All of the minor procedural problems related to COVID-driven rule changes have already been addressed.  Let's play ball.

ConsRule » 02 Oct 2023, 1:39 pm » wrote: ↑

02 Oct 2023, 1:39 pm

Supreme Court declines to consider longshot bid to disqualify Trump from running for president

The Supreme Court said Monday that it will not take up a longshot challenge to Donald Trump’s eligibility to run for president because of his alleged role in the January 6, 2021, attack on the US Capitol.

 The case was brought by John Anthony Castro, a little-known candidate for the Republican presidential nomination, who sued Trump earlier this year in an effort to disqualify him from running for president and holding the office “given his alleged provision of aid or comfort to the convicted criminals and insurrectionist that violently attacked our United States Capitol on January 6, 2021.”

 The case was denied without any comment or recorded vote.

And the source is CNN

https://www.yahoo.com/news/supreme-cour ... 11325.html

I can see those justices just sitting around laughing at the case going, "Yeah, right, what a stupid freaking case!!!"
 

Zeets2 » 04 Oct 2023, 11:07 am » wrote: ↑

04 Oct 2023, 11:07 am

You need to hold onto your own panties at least until the time when Trump gets to prove in an open court how the vote was fixed.
 

And, seeing as you apparently have an inside track to trump's legal strategy, which of the ninety-one indictments do you think he'll pick as the "right time" to show us Rudy's long-lost binders of proof?  

maineman » 04 Oct 2023, 3:00 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Oct 2023, 3:00 pm

And, seeing as you apparently have an inside track to trump's legal strategy, which of the ninety-one indictments do you think he'll pick as the "right time" to show us Rudy's long-lost binders of proof?

If you're so ignorant that you think Trump would rely on any one single attorney, you're a fool!

Trump will successfully defend himself on EVERY ONE of those chicken-**** indictments, either in the first trial or on appeal.
That will be a good time for you to suck up to that reality for the next 4 years so we don't find you out on a ledge somewhere next election day!
 

maineman » 04 Oct 2023, 2:53 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Oct 2023, 2:53 pm

You lying sack of ****.  It the only thing you cared about was election procedures going forward, why all this talk about Racine County in 2020?  Give it up.  Your boy lost fair and square.  The procedures were in place for anyone to use.  If you chose not to attempt to maximize your GOTV efforts by emphasizing mail-in ballots, well shucks, guess you **** up, eh?  Better luck next time.  Democrats WORK at GOTV.  Republicans hope it happens miraculously.

I want 2024 to be just as safe, secure, and fraud-free as 2020 was.  All of the minor procedural problems related to COVID-driven rule changes have already been addressed.  Let's play ball.

And what will your opinion be when Trump produces overwhelming evidence of the fraud at trial?
Will you then be outraged by that and demand major changes to the system or will you THEN prefer to keep the rules and oversight the same as it was during the last election EVEN WHEN YOU'VE SEEN THE HIGH DEGREE OF FRAUD WAS COMMITTED?

As if we didn't know what you'd prefer!
 

Zeets2 » 05 Oct 2023, 9:10 am » wrote: ↑

05 Oct 2023, 9:10 am

And what will your opinion be when Trump produces overwhelming evidence of the fraud at trial?
Will you then be outraged by that and demand major changes to the system or will you THEN prefer to keep the rules and oversight the same as it was during the last election EVEN WHEN YOU'VE SEEN THE HIGH DEGREE OF FRAUD WAS COMMITTED?

As if we didn't know what you'd prefer!

IF he does, I will be **** amazed.  Will you agree to stick the shotgun barrel in your mouth and pull the trigger when the dust has settled and Trump didn't produce SQUAT?    

Zeets2 » 05 Oct 2023, 9:06 am » wrote: ↑

05 Oct 2023, 9:06 am

If you're so ignorant that you think Trump would rely on any one single attorney, you're a fool!

Trump will successfully defend himself on EVERY ONE of those chicken-**** indictments, either in the first trial or on appeal.
That will be a good time for you to suck up to that reality for the next 4 years so we don't find you out on a ledge somewhere next election day!

why would he have to wait for appeal, if he's got all this incontrovertible evidence of fraud that he can produce at trial?

For that matter, why has he waited three years to present it all?  It would seem to me that, if he had produced it all during any one of those sixty some odd cases Team Kraken brought in the winter of 2020, he might have won some of them!  

maineman » 05 Oct 2023, 10:38 am » wrote: ↑

05 Oct 2023, 10:38 am

why would he have to wait for appeal, if he's got all this incontrovertible evidence of fraud that he can produce at trial?

For that matter, why has he waited three years to present it all?  It would seem to me that, if he had produced it all during any one of those sixty some odd cases Team Kraken brought in the winter of 2020, he might have won some of them!

You know damn well why! 
It's simply because he can't get a fair trial in DC or NY, and the corrupt Biden DOJ has purposely waited to charge him with all these phony "crimes" in order to keep him too tied up to campaign for next year, stupidly thinking that doing so is going to hurt his popularity, despite every scrap of evidence shows him GAINING support AND campaign funding after every indictment or these show trials when people are seeing for themselves how corrupt the "hate Trump" politicians and Democrat judges are!
His vaunted cabal of partisan enemies are willing to ignore ALL of that incontrovertible evidence, and it will require getting a change of venue for his appeals.  

Your heroes in office don't even give a **** about that!  They KNOW that Trump is going to win and beat every phony indictment but they don't care as long as he's tied up in court and kept from campaigning by the kangaroo court dates they've imposed.

Why don't YOU tell ME why your George Soros-funded prosecutors waited those 3 years to file their charges?  Trump attempted REPEATEDLY to show his evidence, and in most cases the courts wouldn't even look at it!  But when Trump is on trial, he WILL get to show both them and the country the documented evidence of voter fraud, (much to your chagrin) thanks to the rules of discovery he now has, and if they're televised you'll be pouting for months when you see that the ratings for those televised hearings, which will probably be the highest since the Super Bowl, raising voter awareness even further!
 

Zeets2 » 05 Oct 2023, 12:45 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Oct 2023, 12:45 pm

You know damn well why! 
It's simply because he can't get a fair trial in DC or NY, and the corrupt Biden DOJ has purposely waited to charge him with all these phony "crimes" in order to keep him too tied up to campaign for next year, stupidly thinking that doing so is going to hurt his popularity, despite every scrap of evidence shows him GAINING support AND campaign funding after every indictment or these show trials when people are seeing for themselves how corrupt the "hate Trump" politicians and Democrat judges are!
His vaunted cabal of partisan enemies are willing to ignore ALL of that incontrovertible evidence, and it will require getting a change of venue for his appeals.  

Your heroes in office don't even give a **** about that!  They KNOW that Trump is going to win and beat every phony indictment but they don't care as long as he's tied up in court and kept from campaigning by the kangaroo court dates they've imposed.

Why don't YOU tell ME why your George Soros-funded prosecutors waited those 3 years to file their charges?  Trump attempted REPEATEDLY to show his evidence, and in most cases the courts wouldn't even look at it!  But when Trump is on trial, he WILL get to show both them and the country the documented evidence of voter fraud, (much to your chagrin) thanks to the rules of discovery he now has, and if they're televised you'll be pouting for months when you see that the ratings for those televised hearings, which will probably be the highest since the Super Bowl, raising voter awareness even further!

none of that apologetic **** above explains why NONE of the written complaints filed by Team Kraken in their myriad lawsuits in the weeks and months after the election contained assertions of actual voter fraud and/or claimed there was evidence available to prove it... and many of those cases were filed with Trump-appointed judges.


On Nov 27, 2020 a federal appeals court rejected a Trump campaign proposal to block Biden from being declared the winner of Pennsylvania. ( here ). At the time, Stephanos Bibas, on behalf of the three-judge panel wrote: “Free, fair elections are the lifeblood of our democracy. Charges of unfairness are serious. But calling an election unfair does not make it so." It added: “Charges require specific allegations and then proof. We have neither here."

maineman » 05 Oct 2023, 12:53 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Oct 2023, 12:53 pm

none of that apologetic **** above explains why NONE of the written complaints filed by Team Kraken in their myriad lawsuits in the weeks and months after the election contained assertions of actual voter fraud and/or claimed there was evidence available to prove it... and many of those cases were filed with Trump-appointed judges.

the swamp blocked it all. **** liberal and conservative judges are crooked

maineman » 05 Oct 2023, 10:35 am » wrote: ↑

05 Oct 2023, 10:35 am

IF he does, I will be **** amazed.  Will you agree to stick the shotgun barrel in your mouth and pull the trigger when the dust has settled and Trump didn't produce SQUAT?  

Oh, but weren't you also "amazed" when the Mueller investigation proved it was Hillary and not Trump who colluded with Russia?  Were you amazed to learn that the FBI planted agents disguised as Trump supporters in the Jan. 6th crowd who actually incited the riots?  Were you amazed to learn that the Steel dossier was bought and paid for by Hillary and lied about by every Democrat for years?  Were you amazed to learn that the Hunter laptop was genuine, even as every lying scumbag Democrat told you it was "Russian disinformation"?  Were you amazed that the corrupt Biden DOJ was able to find 51 former intelligence agents to sign their names to the document of lies making that claim?  Were you amazed to see that Biden illegally kept the classified documents he stole from the White House in a pile in his garage when he NEVER had the authority to declassify any of them?  Were you amazed when you learned that Hillary had deleted 33,000 of her emails on the illegal server that she used when they were under subpoena, and then smashed the hard drives and her cell phones with hammers and used bleach bit to wipe them clean from her computer?  Were you amazed to see the proof of how many Democrats made repeated claims that the 2016 election Trump win was illegitimate without being charged with a crime after they now are charging Trump with felonies for daring to question the legitimacy of the 2020 election?  Were you amazed that both phony impeachment trials neither found Trump guilty OR that none of his supporters abandoned him when they instead INCREASED their campaign donations to Trump after each one and his popularity in the polls rose? 

Apparently, you've been "**** amazed" at EVERY ONE of the lies your heroes fed you, right up until the moment they were proven FALSE, making you absolutely one of the most gullible cretins on the planet!

So put that shotgun in your own mouth, nitwit, because that's what you and every Democrat SHOULD have done after being so stupidly gullible for believing all those lies for years, just like you believe in the phony trials going on now!
 

Zeets2 » 05 Oct 2023, 1:07 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Oct 2023, 1:07 pm

Oh, but weren't you also "amazed" when the Mueller investigation proved it was Hillary and not Trump who colluded with Russia?  Were you amazed to learn that the FBI planted agents disguised as Trump supporters in the Jan. 6th crowd who actually incited the riots?  Were you amazed to learn that the Steel dossier was bought and paid for by Hillary and lied about by every Democrat for years?  Were you amazed to learn that the Hunter laptop was genuine, even as every lying scumbag Democrat told you it was "Russian disinformation"?  Were you amazed that the corrupt Biden DOJ was able to find 51 former intelligence agents to sign their names to the document of lies making that claim?  Were you amazed to see that Biden illegally kept the classified documents he stole from the White House in a pile in his garage when he NEVER had the authority to declassify any of them?  Were you amazed when you learned that Hillary had deleted 33,000 of her emails on the illegal server that she used when they were under subpoena, and then smashed the hard drives and her cell phones with hammers and used bleach bit to wipe them clean from her computer?  Were you amazed to see the proof of how many Democrats made repeated claims that the 2016 election Trump win was illegitimate without being charged with a crime after they now are charging Trump with felonies for daring to question the legitimacy of the 2020 election?  Were you amazed that both phony impeachment trials neither found Trump guilty OR that none of his supporters abandoned him when they instead INCREASED their campaign donations to Trump after each one and his popularity in the polls rose? 

Apparently, you've been "**** amazed" at EVERY ONE of the lies your heroes fed you, right up until the moment they were proven FALSE, making you absolutely one of the most gullible cretins on the planet!

So put that shotgun in your own mouth, nitwit, because that's what you and every Democrat SHOULD have done after being so stupidly gullible for believing all those lies for years, just like you believe in the phony trials going on now!

^^^^SOLID OBFUSCATION!  Benghaaaaaaazi.... emaaaaaaaaaailz..... pee tapes.......... waaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!

so.... no explanation for why no evidence of rampant voter fraud  was submitted in any Kraken law suit to date?  We're all just waiting for the Donald, three years later, to spring it all in open court when he actually testifies?  
 

maineman » 05 Oct 2023, 1:55 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Oct 2023, 1:55 pm

^^^^SOLID OBFUSCATION!  Benghaaaaaaazi.... emaaaaaaaaaailz..... pee tapes.......... waaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!

so.... no explanation for why no evidence of rampant voter fraud  was submitted in any Kraken law suit to date?  We're all just waiting for the Donald, three years later, to spring it all in open court when he actually testifies?

**** JUDGES WOULDNT LOOK AT ANY EVIDENCE..  ALL **** WHORES LIKE YOUR ADA

maineman » 05 Oct 2023, 1:55 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Oct 2023, 1:55 pm

^^^^SOLID OBFUSCATION!  Benghaaaaaaazi.... emaaaaaaaaaailz..... pee tapes.......... waaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!

so.... no explanation for why no evidence of rampant voter fraud  was submitted in any Kraken law suit to date?  We're all just waiting for the Donald, three years later, to spring it all in open court when he actually testifies?

I told you why, fool!  Most dismissed his cases without hearing ANY evidence he wanted to show, others claimed he had no standing, and finally, much more evidence has been overturned since then, with eyewitness testimony showing that signature laws were not followed, tabulators in heavily favored Trump regions were mysteriously broken, and vote counts were suddenly stopped in all swing states during the night when Trump held huge leads, only to see that when vote counting resumed, the remaining votes were almost all for Biden, a statistical impossibility.

So, now you want to claim that you DIDN'T believe Hillary destroyed her emails that were under subpoena, which is a felony?  That you DIDN'T believe the Steel dossier was legitimate as you were told every night on CNN and MSNBC?  That you DIDN'T believe the Hunter laptop was genuine as 51 former intelligence agents claimed?  Or that you believed the scumbag president when he lied about never talking about Hunter's businesses with him?

As I said, you are one desperate, gullible moron to believe all that, and now that your gullibility has been proven, all you want to do is jump to the next phony claim, until each one of those are proven false too!

Give it up, you partisan hack!  Your senile and corrupt diaper boy IS GOING DOWN, either by resignation under pressure or by impeachment!
 

Zeets2 » 05 Oct 2023, 2:44 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Oct 2023, 2:44 pm

I told you why, fool!  Most dismissed his cases without hearing ANY evidence he wanted to show, others claimed he had no standing, and finally, much more evidence has been overturned since then, with eyewitness testimony showing that signature laws were not followed, tabulators in heavily favored Trump regions were mysteriously broken, and vote counts were suddenly stopped in all swing states during the night when Trump held huge leads, only to see that when vote counting resumed, the remaining votes were almost all for Biden, a statistical impossibility.

So, now you want to claim that you DIDN'T believe Hillary destroyed her emails that were under subpoena, which is a felony?  That you DIDN'T believe the Steel dossier was legitimate as you were told every night on CNN and MSNBC?  That you DIDN'T believe the Hunter laptop was genuine as 51 former intelligence agents claimed?  Or that you believed the scumbag president when he lied about never talking about Hunter's businesses with him?

As I said, you are one desperate, gullible moron to believe all that, and now that your gullibility has been proven, all you want to do is jump to the next phony claim, until each one of those are proven false too!

Give it up, you partisan hack!  Your senile and corrupt diaper boy IS GOING DOWN, either by resignation under pressure or by impeachment!

Even some tRump appointed judges said "they didn't present any credible evidence

"As reported by Reuters   here  , state and federal judges - some appointed by Trump - dismissed more than 50 lawsuits brought by Trump or his allies alleging election fraud and other irregularities.Independent experts, governors and state election officials from both parties say there was no evidence of widespread fraud.According to the Washington Post   here  , instead of alleging “widespread fraud or election-changing conspiracy” the lawsuits pushed by Trump’s team and allies focused on smaller complaints, which were largely dismissed by judges due to a lack of evidence. “The Republicans did not provide evidence to back up their assertions — just speculation, rumors or hearsay.”

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-fact ... SKBN2AF1G1
 
 

Zeets2 » 05 Oct 2023, 2:44 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Oct 2023, 2:44 pm

I told you why, fool!  Most dismissed his cases without hearing ANY evidence he wanted to show, others claimed he had no standing, and finally, much more evidence has been overturned since then, with eyewitness testimony showing that signature laws were not followed, tabulators in heavily favored Trump regions were mysteriously broken, and vote counts were suddenly stopped in all swing states during the night when Trump held huge leads, only to see that when vote counting resumed, the remaining votes were almost all for Biden, a statistical impossibility.

So, now you want to claim that you DIDN'T believe Hillary destroyed her emails that were under subpoena, which is a felony?  That you DIDN'T believe the Steel dossier was legitimate as you were told every night on CNN and MSNBC?  That you DIDN'T believe the Hunter laptop was genuine as 51 former intelligence agents claimed?  Or that you believed the scumbag president when he lied about never talking about Hunter's businesses with him?

As I said, you are one desperate, gullible moron to believe all that, and now that your gullibility has been proven, all you want to do is jump to the next phony claim, until each one of those are proven false too!

Give it up, you partisan hack!  Your senile and corrupt diaper boy IS GOING DOWN, either by resignation under pressure or by impeachment!

Team Kraken OFFERED no evidence in any complaint filed.  If they had NAD actual evidence of voter fraud, they would have listed it in the initial complaint.  There were no cases where any evidence of fraud was cited in the filing for the court.  But we are to expect Don the Con will present all sorts of it now.... after three years?  HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHHAHAHA