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Nostradamus'omh » 04 Oct 2023, 8:37 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Oct 2023, 8:37 pm

https://www.thatskinnychickcanbake.com/ ... t-patties/

the link is to a person making look alike candy on youtube. "mint"

When I bite into a York Peppermint Patty, I get the sensation of foreign-object raping @Buck Naked's mom.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2Z4PHH1Mzo
 
 
 

Cannonpointer » 04 Oct 2023, 9:24 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Oct 2023, 9:24 pm

When I bite into a York Peppermint Patty, I get the sensation of foreign-object raping @Buck Naked's mom.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2Z4PHH1Mzo

I control my rage against humanity by just describing what humanity hides in plain sight using power of suggestion promising better tomorrows when genetics eternally separates the reproductions still occupying time since conceived since inception of the ancestral lineages left alive now.

You notice regardless a person's social identity they use the same methodologies avoiding specificity of genetics eternally separating your own time present as it does anything universally present, even shared event horizons among results never duplicated as before again.

to defeat the concept of anything is possible with the actual results to what never happened once. Tomorrow never arrived as everything existing is never same total sum arriving next, now.

Planned obsolescence isn't hard to find out why everyone obeys plausible deniability created all the alternate realities of New World Order left corrupting each great great grandchild arriving next, now.
 

Cannonpointer » 04 Oct 2023, 9:00 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Oct 2023, 9:00 pm

I'm saying HE did not lose, because he actually BELONGS in business.

I am further saying those who are put out of business by higher minimum wage laws are not REALLY losing for that reason. They were already losing, and that pushed them over.

If you go out of business and the next guy in the same field doesn't, I would suggest you look in the mirror. 
 
By the way, this is from the second paragraph of your link:

They remain "uncertain." So - no actual information available. 

"Some" (we are not informed how many or what percentage) studies SUGGEST.

I SUGGEST that's not very authoritative. It reminds me of what passes for "journalism." In fact, it IS what passes for "journalism."

But it doesn't pass with me. To me, it just looks like the ceiling, because it makes me roll my eyes. 

Like I said, I like Sowell. But I disagree with him on minimum wage laws. I do not want to live in Honduras.

All Sowell is saying is that marginally employable Blacks are losing thanks to $15 MW and you aren't able to see how you are doing your best to prove his point.
Blacks aren't the only losers either.
I wonder if the Mexican family owned restaurants where the best food in the USA [for the price] is served.....would see their profits increase if they followed your revolutionary plan to increase wages and hire only "the best of the best"...? 
 
 

GHETTOBLASTER » 04 Oct 2023, 5:49 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Oct 2023, 5:49 pm

We're talking about just the advantages and disadvantages for ****** who teeter on the edge of unemployability....right...?
My comment was limited to.backing up Sowells' observations as to how MW affects marginally employable ******.
I think MW raises the bar for production  standards that encourage the importatation of more Illegal Aliens and it puts more "marginally employable" Americans [not just ****** but also drug addled Wiggers, Hipsters and SJWs] out of work.
I don't want to encourage more future Democrats to enter our society for any reason.
If manufacturers are forced to raise costs what does that do to prices...?
Do you think the manufacturers eat the 50% increase in labor cost..?
I would like to know how many customers were served by McDonalds daily.....BEFORE and AFTER large scale MW laws took effect.
I am not interested in sales figures as much as I am interested in knowing what it did to the number of customers they served.

Is there a reason you care about barely employable ******?

And second, let's grant that you did...you think they will actually show up to work and labor diligently for a sub minimum wage at, say, $5/hr?   
 
1 hr of work doesn't even pay for a decent meal @ KFC!
 

Fuelman » 04 Oct 2023, 4:31 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Oct 2023, 4:31 pm

It kind of sounds like you don't identify with the "upper middle class", which in 2023 is between $90k-$150k. The reality is you wish you had their problem.

Economic Experts are a dime a dozen.
Want to buy some beachfront property?

That is not upper middle class. I live in an area where $200K makes you barely not poor. 

Your failed ad hom aside, you think this is remotely approaching economic expertise? XD

I merely did some basic calculations to show how retarded the tax system is. 
 

Cannonpointer » 04 Oct 2023, 9:24 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Oct 2023, 9:24 pm

When I bite into a York Peppermint Patty, I get the sensation of foreign-object raping @Buck Naked's mom.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2Z4PHH1Mzo

You want to stop short with her do you?

LowIQTrash » 05 Oct 2023, 10:15 am » wrote: ↑

05 Oct 2023, 10:15 am

Is there a reason you care about barely employable ******?

And second, let's grant that you did...you think they will actually show up to work and labor diligently for a sub minimum wage at, say, $5/hr?   
 
1 hr of work doesn't even pay for a decent meal @ KFC!

The discussion is about what happens to barely employable workers when their employers are forced to raise their wages...it's not about forcing people to work for sub-minimum wage..[like what you are trying to steer it to].
 MW increases have greatly reduced the money I spend eating out.
I don't think I am unique
If there is a "silent boycott" going on due to higher prices at restaurants maybe it's mostly Baby Boomers who have been conditioned into thinking that a Jumbo Jack is only worth a buck...? [that price held steady for many years].

If the restaurants aren't as busy [thanks to price hikes]...then that reduces their need to hire workers and it reduces the hours that those workers need to be used.
In my area the drive through lines of cars seem just as deep as always.
I suspect most fast food customers nowadays are young Progressives who spend so much time complaining about how broke they are that they don't have enough time to prepare their own meals from relatively cheap, raw ingredients.
 

Liberals don't really want a minimum wage...they want the minimum wage issue.

If they REALLY wanted a minimum wage law, there would not be exceptions for students, employees with disabilities, employees who work less than a specified number of hours, employers who employee one or two employees, employees working on farms, tipped employees, etc. (not all of these apply in every state). If they truly cared about employees, they would care about every **** employee, regardless of their age, the size of their employer, the number of hours they worked, the type of job the had, etc. Since there are exceptions/exemptions, you know that care about the issue, not the people.

LowIQTrash » 05 Oct 2023, 10:15 am » wrote: ↑

05 Oct 2023, 10:15 am

Is there a reason you care about barely employable ******?

And second, let's grant that you did...you think they will actually show up to work and labor diligently for a sub minimum wage at, say, $5/hr?   
 
1 hr of work doesn't even pay for a decent meal @ KFC!
 

Walmart sells a 10 lb. bag of chicken leg quarters for about $6.00. Don't go to KFC.

Oh, and just to demonstrate how laughable the "get rid of the MW" arg is...

I have hired VAs in the past...all out of the Philippines BTW. Nobody in their right mind would hire an American worker at MW or sub MW (assuming MW eliminated) unless they want really **** quality work, given that any self respecting administrative assistant in the states would demand $20/hr minimum with full time benefits. ($25/hr is more like it in this **** economy where groceries cost 2x what they did back in 2020)

So really a MW hike only affects...marginal EMPLOYERS not marginal WORKERS. (e.g. those **** restaurants/retail stores who can't keep up nor justify price increases because the quality of their service/product is garbage)

ConsRule » 05 Oct 2023, 12:05 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Oct 2023, 12:05 pm

Liberals don't really want a minimum wage...they want the minimum wage issue.

If they REALLY wanted a minimum wage law, there would not be exceptions for students, employees with disabilities, employees who work less than a specified number of hours, employers who employee one or two employees, employees working on farms, tipped employees, etc. (not all of these apply in every state). If they truly cared about employees, they would care about every **** employee, regardless of their age, the size of their employer, the number of hours they worked, the type of job the had, etc. Since there are exceptions/exemptions, you know that care about the issue, not the people.

You are right. Liberals don't really care about MW workers.

So how exactly does that make them different from cons? You think CONS care about MW workers? LOL

GHETTOBLASTER » 05 Oct 2023, 11:23 am » wrote: ↑

05 Oct 2023, 11:23 am

The discussion is about what happens to barely employable workers when their employers are forced to raise their wages...it's not about forcing people to work for sub-minimum wage..[like what you are trying to steer it to].
 MW increases have greatly reduced the money I spend eating out.
I don't think I am unique
If there is a "silent boycott" going on due to higher prices at restaurants maybe it's mostly Baby Boomers who have been conditioned into thinking that a Jumbo Jack is only worth a buck...? [that price held steady for many years].

If the restaurants aren't as busy [thanks to price hikes]...then that reduces their need to hire workers and it reduces the hours that those workers need to be used.
In my area the drive through lines of cars seem just as deep as always.
I suspect most fast food customers nowadays are young Progressives who spend so much time complaining about how broke they are that they don't have enough time to prepare their own meals from relatively cheap, raw ingredients.

It is not "MW increases" reducing your propensity to spend. 

Prices are skyrocketing thanks to broken supply chains caused by Covid-era policies, people YOLO'ing (don't give a **** about saving anymore for a "bright future" that will never materialize so they spend all their money + tack on CC debt), excessive borrowing post-2008 as interest rates were 0% that is now finally making its way into the "real" economy, a lot of people refusing to work in certain industries like restaurants due to historically low pay/undesirable conditions, and  (((GLOBALISTS))) doing their thang. 

 
 

LowIQTrash » 05 Oct 2023, 2:54 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Oct 2023, 2:54 pm

It is not "MW increases" reducing your propensity to spend. 

Prices are skyrocketing thanks to broken supply chains caused by Covid-era policies, people YOLO'ing (don't give a **** about saving anymore for a "bright future" that will never materialize so they spend all their money + tack on CC debt), excessive borrowing post-2008 as interest rates were 0% that is now finally making its way into the "real" economy, a lot of people refusing to work in certain industries like restaurants due to historically low pay/undesirable conditions, and  (((GLOBALISTS))) doing their thang.

Yes Biden's War on Gasoline has caused inflation but  large price hikes at restaurants began before CV19 and Biden's economy became a thing.
US Citizens  refusing to work restaurant jobs would naturally force employers to raise wages VOLUNTARILY.....unless there were millions of Illegal Aliens willing to man those jobs without fear of getting caught. .

LowIQTrash » 05 Oct 2023, 2:45 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Oct 2023, 2:45 pm

You are right. Liberals don't really care about MW workers.

So how exactly does that make them different from cons? You think CONS care about MW workers? LOL

The workers...yes.  Their wage...no.

Liberals don't like the truth when it comes to minimum wage.  It was NEVER intended to be a "living wage".

- 68% meet the BLS definition of part-time employee
- 66% of minimum wage earners are single
- Only 20% of minimum wage earners are in low income families
- 44% are in the 16-24 age group (high school and college students)
- 32% have less than a high school education
- Only 28% of minimum wage earners are parents
- The overwhelming majority of minimum wage earners work in leisure and hospitality (low skill positions)
- 23% of minimum wage earners live in a home with a spouse present
- 6% have a disability

 

Nostradamus'omh » 05 Oct 2023, 1:20 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Oct 2023, 1:20 pm

Walmart sells a 10 lb. bag of chicken leg quarters for about $6.00. Don't go to KFC.

I had KFC last night 

GHETTOBLASTER » 04 Oct 2023, 11:14 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Oct 2023, 11:14 pm

All Sowell is saying is that marginally employable Blacks are losing thanks to $15 MW and you aren't able to see how you are doing your best to prove his point.

Here's a little trip down memory lane - my very first sentence of my very first post in response to you:

Cannonpointer » 04 Oct 2023, 6:32 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Oct 2023, 6:32 pm

I do not share your concern for Moors. I don't actually give a **** about your Delanamores and Shaquitas.

I truly do not agree with your argument that we should make policy based on the incompetence of ***. That's how you get smart guys like me to drop out of school after finishing eighth grade. By tailoring the goddamned lesson plane to 80 IQ yard apes.

I think it is absolutely stupid to base something so important on an issue better addressed by building more prisons than by third-worlding our line workers.

GHETTOBLASTER » 04 Oct 2023, 11:14 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Oct 2023, 11:14 pm

Blacks aren't the only losers either.
I wonder if the Mexican family owned restaurants where the best food in the USA [for the price] is served.....would see their profits increase if...

I wonder if I give a ****. Lemmee check, and get back with you..

GHETTOBLASTER » 04 Oct 2023, 11:14 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Oct 2023, 11:14 pm

they followed your revolutionary plan to increase wages and hire only "the best of the best"...?

My solution was tailored - as solutions properly are. Everything else is just a prescription - and I'm not a pill popper.

If everyone took my advice, there would be a retarded bidding war instead of ONE GUY using his wits to make the best of a bad situation.

And make no mistake. I absolutely understand that ANY raise in the minimum presents a bad situation for employers. But it is an even playing field. What's happening to you is happening to the competition, as well. So it is the MARKET, more so than the individual employer, which must absorb the shock. Funny thing? In every case I know about, we've seen the market take it in stride.

Cannonpointer » 05 Oct 2023, 5:43 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Oct 2023, 5:43 pm

Here's a little trip down memory lane - my very first sentence of my very first post in response to you:

I truly do not agree with your argument that we should make policy based on the incompetence of ***. That's how you get smart guys like me to drop out of school after finishing eighth grade. By tailoring the goddamned lesson plane to 80 IQ yard apes.

I think it is absolutely stupid to base something so important on an issue better addressed by building more prisons than by third-worlding our line workers.

I wonder if I give a ****. Lemmee check, and get back with you..

My solution was tailored - as solutions properly are. Everything else is just a prescription - and I'm not a pill popper.

If everyone took my advice, there would be a retarded bidding war instead of ONE GUY using his wits to make the best of a bad situation.

And make no mistake. I absolutely understand that ANY raise in the minimum presents a bad situation for employers. But it is an even playing field. What's happening to you is happening to the competition, as well. So it is the MARKET, more so than the individual employer, which must absorb the shock. Funny thing? In every case I know about, we've seen the market take it in stride.

You realize that raising the minimum wage hurts legitimate business owners and it helps those who run crews of Illegal Aliens..?
I think I mentioned this before.
****** aren't the only "marginally employable" members of our society.
As time goes by less and less work will be available to "marginal people" as machines take over.
Did you ever think you would see the day when a car could be assembled by robot instead of a team of highly skilled craftsmen...?
Yeah it would be great if a minimum wage earner was able to afford a house and all.
If so then all of the people higher on the food chain get to move up a rung....
but OOOOOPS..... that will lead to an increased bidding war for EVERYTHING and the minimum wage earner finds himself just as poor as he was once before.
Instead of the poverty line being at $35,000 let's move the poverty line up to $70,000..!!
Inflationary fixes really **** over those on fixed retirements too.

 

GHETTOBLASTER » 05 Oct 2023, 6:11 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Oct 2023, 6:11 pm

You realize that raising the minimum wage hurts legitimate business owners and it helps those who run crews of Illegal Aliens..?

Stopping a rape in a theater interrupts the movie. Should we wait until the crowd shuffles out?

I can think of better ways for this nation to respond "crews of ilegals" than by third-worlding our own citizens.

GHETTOBLASTER » 05 Oct 2023, 6:11 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Oct 2023, 6:11 pm

I think I mentioned this before.
****** aren't the only "marginally employable" members of our society.

I don't care. I do not agree with basing bottom-compensation on the lowest common denominator. Find a better way to address worthlessness than treating the worthwhile the same as the worthless.

GHETTOBLASTER » 05 Oct 2023, 6:11 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Oct 2023, 6:11 pm

As time goes by less and less work will be available to "marginal people" as machines take over.

And starving our workers will fix this?

Don't muzzle the ox.

GHETTOBLASTER » 05 Oct 2023, 6:11 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Oct 2023, 6:11 pm

Did you ever think you would see the day when a car could be assembled by robot instead of a team of highly skilled craftsmen...?
Yeah it would be great if a minimum wage earner was able to afford a house and all.
If so then all of the people higher on the food chain get to move up a rung....
but OOOOOPS..... that will lead to an increased bidding war for EVERYTHING and the minimum wage earner finds himself just as poor as he was once before.

And there's the prescription again - written by Dr. Gotbucks.

GHETTOBLASTER » 05 Oct 2023, 6:11 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Oct 2023, 6:11 pm

Instead of the poverty line being at $35,000 let's move the poverty line up to $70,000..!!
Inflationary fixes really **** over those on fixed retirements too.

If inflation is **** fixed incomes, it is **** broke incomes even worse.

Cannonpointer » 05 Oct 2023, 6:19 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Oct 2023, 6:19 pm

Stopping a rape in a theater interrupts the movie. Should we wait until the crowd shuffles out?

I can think of better ways for this nation to respond "crews of ilegals" than by third-worlding our own citizens.

I don't care. I do not agree with basing bottom-compensation on the lowest common denominator. Find a better way to address worthlessness than treating the worthwhile the same as the worthless.

And starving our workers will fix this?

Don't muzzle the ox.

And there's the prescription again - written by Dr. Gotbucks.

If inflation is **** fixed incomes, it is **** broke incomes even worse

Any economic measures  that feeds inflation hurts your grande vision of people still living to an average age of 100 [thanks to all of the medical advancements that would have otherwise been impossible if we were stuck with only a population of 155MM like when I was born]......  .

GHETTOBLASTER » 06 Oct 2023, 12:00 am » wrote: ↑

06 Oct 2023, 12:00 am

No matter how much you try to   use artificial Big Brother regulated measures to inflate the worth of those who can barely read or write or to decide whether they need more diapers for their baby or another tattoo, bong hit  and facial piercing...?....

Well, again, the facts on the ground dispute your narrative. I don't believe you can show me any state that introduced a minimum wage and did not prosper significantly - beyond whatever growth they had been experiencing in the years leading up. 

I can certainly show you states that HAVE prospered - already did show you one, in fact. 

If you look at the economic condition of the states with only the federal minimum, you will see that they are in a **** position compared to those with a higher state minimum. 

Like I say, there is life by prescription and life by description. Another way I put it is, there's the map and then there's the territory. 

I feel like I have been talking about the territory, and you have been talking about the map. 

For me to dispute your map should not concern you. But for the territory to dispute your map? Yeah - now, THAT should concern you. You might need to alter your map.

I'm not saying that I'm mistake proof. Maybe I am wrong about the territory. But that's your job to demonstrate. The only fault that I can find with your theory about how things work is that it disputes my real word OBSERVATIONS of how things work.