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Cannonpointer » 07 Oct 2023, 10:34 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Oct 2023, 10:34 pm

The theft of palestinians' homes in favor of jewish families happens in jerusalem. It's all part of getting around every aspect of the palestinian mandate, the UN, and the basic human rights of israeli citizens of the wrong ethnic background.

It's Truman's fault.

DeezerShoove » 07 Oct 2023, 10:49 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Oct 2023, 10:49 pm

It's Truman's fault.

He might have some blame - but he is gone. 

Whose fault it is and whose responsibility it is may be two different things. 

If we are going to continue to fund one side of it, it becomes our responsibility. 

When those upon whom we visit a living hell strive to visit the same on us, calling them monsters for doing so is an admission that we are monsters, ourselves.
 

DeezerShoove » 07 Oct 2023, 10:49 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Oct 2023, 10:49 pm

It's Truman's fault.

here is the load of crap trump said.

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https://il.usembassy.gov/statement-by-p ... jerusalem/

Therefore, I have determined that it is time to officially recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.While previous presidents have made this a major campaign promise, they failed to deliver. Today, I am delivering.I’ve judged this course of action to be in the best interests of the United States of America and the pursuit of peace between Israel and the Palestinians. This is a long-overdue step to advance the peace process and to work towards a lasting agreement.

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now how in the hell can anyone believe that making jersalem the capitol of israel brings peace?
 
 

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Islamic Sites in Jerusalem
Temple Mount (Al Haram ash-Sharif) - For centuries Haram ash-Sharif (The Noble Sanctuary) has been sacred to Jews, Muslims, and Christians. ...
Al-Aqsa Mosque - The third most sacred mosque in Islam stands on Temple Mount. ...
Dome of the Rock - This magnificent structure is a symbol of Jerusalem.
 

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In the Judeo-Christian tradition this rock marks the place where Abraham came to sacrifice Isaac; for Muslims, it came to be thought of as the site of the miraj, the Prophet Muhammad's miraculous ascension to heaven with the angel Gabriel and his faithful horse Buraq.

https://breakingmatzo.com/philosophy/to ... holy-land/

Neo » 07 Oct 2023, 11:07 am » wrote: ↑

07 Oct 2023, 11:07 am

No, most Palestinians are family oriented and peaceful. The terrorists are perhaps beyond reach but efforts must be made to protect the innocent. Terrorism is a cancer, must be irradiated without killing the rest of the body.

           An argument can be made perhaps most of the Palestinians in the West bank are family oriented & peaceful ---  But not so much in Gaza, where the majority of the Palestinian Arabs continue to freely elect & support the Terror Group Hamas, which clearly proves they do not operate as a rogue entity on the fringe... Islamic JIhad has also found a welcome home in Gaza...

           

           

jerrab » 07 Oct 2023, 11:09 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Oct 2023, 11:09 pm

here is the load of crap trump said.

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https://il.usembassy.gov/statement-by-p ... jerusalem/

Therefore, I have determined that it is time to officially recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.While previous presidents have made this a major campaign promise, they failed to deliver. Today, I am delivering.I’ve judged this course of action to be in the best interests of the United States of America and the pursuit of peace between Israel and the Palestinians. This is a long-overdue step to advance the peace process and to work towards a lasting agreement.

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now how in the hell can anyone believe that making jersalem the capitol of israel brings peace?

I don't see how it makes it any worse either. Maybe it's easier to bomb.  

DeezerShoove » 07 Oct 2023, 11:28 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Oct 2023, 11:28 pm

I don't see how it makes it any worse either. Maybe it's easier to bomb.

so trump lied?

Cannonpointer » 07 Oct 2023, 1:41 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Oct 2023, 1:41 pm

Incomplete information in that riddle. 

We need the parties' addresses.

you would have to ask Jesus for that.

jerrab » 07 Oct 2023, 11:32 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Oct 2023, 11:32 pm

you would have to ask Jesus for that.

Reverse Bible thumping!!!         
 

jerrab » 07 Oct 2023, 11:31 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Oct 2023, 11:31 pm

so trump lied?

Unless anyone can show ANY American president having made and then reneged on ANY such campaign pledge, he was telling a massive Donnie. 
 

Neo » 07 Oct 2023, 11:07 am » wrote: ↑

07 Oct 2023, 11:07 am

No, most Palestinians are family oriented and peaceful. The terrorists are perhaps beyond reach but efforts must be made to protect the innocent. Terrorism is a cancer, must be irradiated without killing the rest of the body.

it is not about being jewish or muslim it is about being christian and christians should do the will of God and to help people no matter their religion and not to encourage others to mistreat people of different religions, this was illustrated in the parable of the good samaritan.

Cannonpointer » 07 Oct 2023, 11:04 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Oct 2023, 11:04 pm

He might have some blame - but he is gone. 

Whose fault it is and whose responsibility it is may be two different things. 

If we are going to continue to fund one side of it, it becomes our responsibility. 

When those upon whom we visit a living hell strive to visit the same on us, calling them monsters for doing so is an admission that we are monsters, ourselves.

Our Jews are doing it.

Like the person that dies young; he becomes great, even legendary.
A great tragedy befalls him and we'll never know if he was a complete **** up.

In this vein, the Jews have played the **** visited upon them to the hilt. WWwhatever.
A great tragedy befalls them and we know the extreme nature of it all. It is basically celebrated.
Every grainy picture, horribly sad personal strife, etc. becomes a symbol that cannot be denied.

Is the location of the capitol of Israel significant to me? Nope.
Repercussions for years? Maybe to that region. It's less than a hour drive from where it was.
Are they playing this to the hilt as well? Most likely.
 
 

DeezerShoove » 07 Oct 2023, 11:41 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Oct 2023, 11:41 pm

Our Jews are doing it.

Like the person that dies young; he becomes great, even legendary.
A great tragedy befalls him and we'll never know if he was a complete **** up.

In this vein, the Jews have played the **** visited upon them to the hilt. Whatever.
A great tragedy befalls them and we know the extreme nature of it all.
Every grainy picture, horribly sad personal strife, etc. becomes a symbol that cannot be denied.

Anything that "cannot be denied" is almost certainly a lie. People are perfectly welcome to deny true things - it gives us all something to point at and laugh.

But if they deny the wrong lies, we are instructed to hate and revile them.

DeezerShoove » 07 Oct 2023, 11:41 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Oct 2023, 11:41 pm

Is the location of the capitol of Israel significant to me?

That depends. You're expected to pay for it. Is that okay with you - seeing them use other people's money (including yours) to suppress the resulting tumult?

DeezerShoove » 07 Oct 2023, 11:41 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Oct 2023, 11:41 pm

Nope.

If you say so. I DO have an issue with it. Because they are going to use my money to squash the resulting unrest.

DeezerShoove » 07 Oct 2023, 11:41 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Oct 2023, 11:41 pm

Repercussions for years? Maybe to that region. It's less than a hour drive from where it was.
Are they playing this to the hilt as well? Most likely.

There is more to israel making jerusalem the capitol - and the US abetting it - than you appear to understand. The relevance of the distance betwixt tel aviv and jerusalem is entirely off topic. That you bring it up betrays a shallow understanding of the issue.

You might be better served by opining less and questioning more, so as to be up to speed on the ACTUAL issue (and it is NOT the distance between cities).
 
 

RedheadedStranger » 07 Oct 2023, 1:02 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Oct 2023, 1:02 pm

Hamas hides behind the women and children and then cries foul when Israel returns fire and hits the women and children.

It's a tactic they use all the time to garner sympathy for their "cause".

              Agreed... Hamas has always used Mobile Launchers, to fire ordnance from densely civilian populated locations such as residential neighbourhoods, hospitals, schools, Mosques etc for 2 purposes..... One being to deter/limit Israel from retaliatory strikes on these firing points -- and the other as you pointed out,  is the propaganda value of any civilian casualties incurred...  So you're correct in that Hamas uses its people to protect their Rockets --- where as Israel uses its Rockets to protect their people... 

               

Kobia2 » 07 Oct 2023, 11:50 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Oct 2023, 11:50 pm

              Agreed... Hamas has always used Mobile Launchers, to fire ordnance from densely civilian populated locations such as residential neighbourhoods, hospitals, schools, Mosques etc for 2 purposes..... One being to deter/limit Israel from retaliatory strikes on these firing points -- and the other as you pointed out,  is the propaganda value of any civilian casualties incurred...  So you're correct in that Hamas uses its people to protect their Rockets --- where as Israel uses its Rockets to protect their people... 

               

Can you name the ports where America docks its naval vessels, and tell us the population of the areas in the immediate vicinity?

Could another power target those bases without injuring civilians - or are our naval personnel cowards, embedded with civilians?

Could Lewis-McChord be targeted without hurting Tacomans - or are our army troops embedded cowards, hiding behind civilians?

Could Nellis Airforce Base be attacked without injuring Las Vegans, or is our airforce staffed with embedded cowards?

Given that there is no history of restraint from israel in the matter of respecting palestinian civilians, isn't your claim that the civilians "protect the rockets" false on its face?
 

Cannonpointer » 07 Oct 2023, 11:35 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Oct 2023, 11:35 pm

Unless anyone can show ANY American president having made and then reneged on ANY such campaign pledge, he was telling a massive Donnie.

the lie I referred to was that making jerusalem the capitol of israel would promote peace with no reason on how this would promote peace .bill clinton made the promise, so it says. maybe he said it to israel and some jews, I never heard it. gh bush tried to establish peace but that was forgotten when clinton took over. I am pretty sure  obama never promised.  as far a I know clinton is the only one who promised it.

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jerrab » 07 Oct 2023, 11:57 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Oct 2023, 11:57 pm

the lie I referred to was that making jerusalem the capitol of israel would promote peace with no reason on how this would promote peace .bill clinton made the promise, so it says.

Color me skeptical. But yeah - the pretense it will promote peace is an even BIGGER Donnie.

Edit - I duckduckgoed it. Clinton criticized bush for not caving on that - so... True. Truthy at a minimum. 

Cannonpointer » 08 Oct 2023, 12:00 am » wrote: ↑

08 Oct 2023, 12:00 am

Color me skeptical. But yeah - the pretense it will promote peace is an even BIGGER Donnie.

that was a huge lie but I guess americans bought it.