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Kobia2 » 08 Oct 2023, 10:23 am » wrote: ↑

08 Oct 2023, 10:23 am

               Probably the best look into the history, formation, tactics and goals of Hamas can be read in the book Son of Hamas  by Mosab Hassan Yousef... I picked up a copy when it was released.. Mosab was a militant in the upper echelons of the organization --- and his father was Sheikh Hassan Yousef, the spiritual founder/leader of Hamas... He abandoned Hamas & Islam and converted to Christianity... 

Changing what one minds is a change of faith, not a change in ancestral time evolving as occupying space now.Doesn't change because of ancestral position achieved cradle to grave either.

Every ancestor arrives last conceived in the lineages that reproduced so far.

Nostradamus'omh » 08 Oct 2023, 12:50 pm » wrote: ↑

08 Oct 2023, 12:50 pm

Changing what one minds is a change of faith, not a change in ancestral time evolving as occupying space now.Doesn't change because of ancestral position achieved cradle to grave either.

Every ancestor arrives last conceived in the lineages that reproduced so far.

I was  watching the news- There was a UN guy trying to post videos?  It froze?
I'm done? let the world go by -Vincent?
 
 

sooted up Cyndi » 08 Oct 2023, 12:55 pm » wrote: ↑

08 Oct 2023, 12:55 pm

I was  watching the news- There was a UN guy trying to post videos?  It froze?
I'm done? let the world go by -Vincent?
 
 

Evolving is a tyranny equally applied to each ancestor of each species in this atmosphere. time doesn't wait for anyone because evolving is a series parallel event what does exist never stays the same form as arrived until departed not disenfranchised.

Nostradamus'omh » 08 Oct 2023, 1:03 pm » wrote: ↑

08 Oct 2023, 1:03 pm

Evolving is a tyranny equally applied to each ancestor of each species in this atmosphere. time doesn't wait for anyone because evolving is a series parallel event what does exist never stays the same form as arrived until departed not disenfranchised.

I'm done OMH!
No longer am i gonna play -or look at these games... I'm done trying to figure it out? I'm DONE!
these things aren't real- or important- let someone  else figure it out. The world has gone sick-o
Done!
 

Cannonpointer » 08 Oct 2023, 12:36 am » wrote: ↑

08 Oct 2023, 12:36 am

Yeah - that was a good link. I read it. Made me respect HW a bit more. 

I generally view him as an exceptionally evil man.

he had a good idea. cut off funds to israel unless israel was more fair to palestine,

that was a no go of course.

RedheadedStranger » 08 Oct 2023, 6:58 am » wrote: ↑

08 Oct 2023, 6:58 am

Cannonpointer » 07 Oct 2023, 1:42 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Oct 2023, 1:42 pm

Tell us this. If Hamas DID care about the Palis, what would they want for them?

What changes in the fortunes of the Palis might Hamas want to see - if they DID care for them?

Hamas believes that eradicating Israel is the only "fortune" the Palis need.

You've learned that motivations can be an obscure thing. If I told you that the people on the Sioux Reservation wish us dead, would you care? Probably not - they can't do much.

But let us assume that you know Hamas' TRUE intentions. They want Israel destroyed.

So what?

Why should I care? Why is that my lookout? Why is that a claim on MY funding, MY pocket? Why should MY money be spent on nonAmericans? Doesn't that violate the social contract? Isn't that welfare for another country?

I am already paying for socialized medicine and socialized higher education in israel. Now I gotta defend their **** border while mine is being ignored?

Just one more question: What if we agreed to secure AMERICA'S borders before we give any more welfare to israel - would that be okay?
 

RedheadedStranger » 08 Oct 2023, 7:06 am » wrote: ↑

08 Oct 2023, 7:06 am

Hamas are agents of Iran more so than saviors of Palestine.

That's a matter of opinion, and we could be wrong. But we're not. I share your opinion. Bully for Iran - they need a proxy, given the level of mischief against them from israel, which is absolutely determined to drive Iran into the sea.

RedheadedStranger » 08 Oct 2023, 7:06 am » wrote: ↑

08 Oct 2023, 7:06 am

Palestine is simply the best vantage point to attack Israel from and creates a certain plausible deniability on Iran's part.

Palestinians are stateless expendables, just like the kurds. You and I are in agreement on this.

RedheadedStranger » 08 Oct 2023, 7:06 am » wrote: ↑

08 Oct 2023, 7:06 am

If Hamas really cared about the Palestinians then they wouldn't be (cowardly) launching attacks from right beside hospitals and schools, knowing that thr retaliatory strikes from Israel would specifically impact innocent civilians.

Where SHOULD they launch missiles from? Do they have a gentleman's agreement with israel that they can launch from this or that place, and no response will follow?

They would love to launch from within israel proper, but those damned defense forces are total nazis, y'know?

Where SHOULD they be launching from - such that they would no longer be cowards, but gentlemen and scholars?
 
 

jerrab » 08 Oct 2023, 2:02 pm » wrote: ↑

08 Oct 2023, 2:02 pm

he had a good idea. cut off funds to israel unless israel was more fair to palestine,

that was a no go of course.

Protecting actual semites against pretend ones made him a rabid anti-semite - possibly the reincarnation of hitler.
 

PhiloBeddo » 07 Oct 2023, 11:09 am » wrote: ↑

07 Oct 2023, 11:09 am

You allow it in your community, and you are a terrorist too.

Yes!  I agree!  We should arm the  Palestinians so they can rid their communities of terrorists.

sooted up Cyndi » 08 Oct 2023, 1:11 pm » wrote: ↑

08 Oct 2023, 1:11 pm

I'm done OMH!
No longer am i gonna play -or look at these games... I'm done trying to figure it out? I'm DONE!
these things aren't real- or important- let someone  else figure it out. The world has gone sick-o
Done!
 

Realities are actually being played out ancestrally. You don't have children so you have no skin in the game, I have a 2 year old grandson, my siblings have great grandchildren. I care about others more than I do myself so here I am, the world's biggest fool thinking instinctive honesty will change traditional intellectual minds cultivated cradle to grave from within this species.

Combating corruption by the same methods they corrupt every generation gap. Honest discussions working against corrupted debates. Paths of least resistance where humanity sustains resistance is futile by rule of law.

Societal evolution controls a person arriving until departing by language arts and commanded self deception where insubordination, treason, blasphemy face anyone not compromising with reasonable doubt protecting concepts of God, Satan, Country, Community theater staging alternate world orders by franchised ideologies permitted by social consensus of previous 4 generation gaps controlling behavior of last generation arriving one at a time.

Look what institutionalizing social behavior educates each social order within the same species working ancestral lineages against one another each generation gap alive. Vernacular tribalism is mind over matter, symbolism over substance, context controlling content emotionally against the sole result of reproductively alive.

Historical constant of repeating choices over and over from the promises of better tomorrows and evolving doesn't exceed the moment here for any evolving result present.

That is humanity's deep state of mind secret. IT was always self evident until morality, legality, ethics, social consensus ignores how living is self contained to ancestral positions occupying time now.

Who is a consensus, what gender one was after conception, including birth defects, was male or female that does or doesn't become a parent after birth to another generation gap before dead.

Evolving eternally separates the numbers living now. that simple. Denying it and demanding that is a greater good creates self destruction between siblings each generation all generations regret being born one at time. Root of mind over matter scenarios. Sense of urgency is life only exists adapting to space now. But humanity governs time by reasonable doubt 24/7 last 350 generation gaps lived to become current 5 generation gaps left never same ancestor twice.

I kept it as simple as evolving worked all the time and I haven't found another sole that is willing to agree. because society eliminates honesty by any means available in rule of law, hope, faith, charity, legislated crimes against humanity.

Why nobody wins against gods, God, Allah, Satan, Mother Nature, Father Time, Lady Justice, City hall collective beliefs real doesn't count and words matter more making economics all there is to die for to gain rank and exceptions to equally timed apart reproductions inhabiting space now.

Your ancestry compromised with the wrong ideologies same as mine has. This species is at the event horizon of self destruction Your life is 2/3 over, mind is 7/8ths over. I don't have any physical fight left. I do have a serenity that understanding how eternity works naturally within my brain.

Nostradamus'omh » 09 Oct 2023, 4:43 am » wrote: ↑

09 Oct 2023, 4:43 am

Realities are actually being played out ancestrally. You don't have children so you have no skin in the game, I have a 2 year old grandson, my siblings have great grandchildren. I care about others more than I do myself so here I am, the world's biggest fool thinking instinctive honesty will change traditional intellectual minds cultivated cradle to grave from within this species.

Combating corruption by the same methods they corrupt every generation gap. Honest discussions working against corrupted debates. Paths of least resistance where humanity sustains resistance is futile by rule of law.

Societal evolution controls a person arriving until departing by language arts and commanded self deception where insubordination, treason, blasphemy face anyone not compromising with reasonable doubt protecting concepts of God, Satan, Country, Community theater staging alternate world orders by franchised ideologies permitted by social consensus of previous 4 generation gaps controlling behavior of last generation arriving one at a time.

Look what institutionalizing social behavior educates each social order within the same species working ancestral lineages against one another each generation gap alive. Vernacular tribalism is mind over matter, symbolism over substance, context controlling content emotionally against the sole result of reproductively alive.

Historical constant of repeating choices over and over from the promises of better tomorrows and evolving doesn't exceed the moment here for any evolving result present.

That is humanity's deep state of mind secret. IT was always self evident until morality, legality, ethics, social consensus ignores how living is self contained to ancestral positions occupying time now.

Who is a consensus, what gender one was after conception, including birth defects, was male or female that does or doesn't become a parent after birth to another generation gap before dead.

Evolving eternally separates the numbers living now. that simple. Denying it and demanding that is a greater good creates self destruction between siblings each generation all generations regret being born one at time. Root of mind over matter scenarios. Sense of urgency is life only exists adapting to space now. But humanity governs time by reasonable doubt 24/7 last 350 generation gaps lived to become current 5 generation gaps left never same ancestor twice.

I kept it as simple as evolving worked all the time and I haven't found another sole that is willing to agree. because society eliminates honesty by any means available in rule of law, hope, faith, charity, legislated crimes against humanity.

Why nobody wins against gods, God, Allah, Satan, Mother Nature, Father Time, Lady Justice, City hall collective beliefs real doesn't count and words matter more making economics all there is to die for to gain rank and exceptions to equally timed apart reproductions inhabiting space now.

Your ancestry compromised with the wrong ideologies same as mine has. This species is at the event horizon of self destruction Your life is 2/3 over, mind is 7/8ths over. I don't have any physical fight left. I do have a serenity that understanding how eternity works naturally within my brain.

yes you do. And i feel sorry for your grandson and the world he will inherit. 
 

sooted up Cyndi » 09 Oct 2023, 5:58 am » wrote: ↑

09 Oct 2023, 5:58 am

yes you do. And i feel sorry for your grandson and the world he will inherit. 
 

Stop with the inherited ****. Time doesn't own evolution. A person isn't a gift to humanity either. Life evolves as displaced. How people behave during their individual time decides the outcome of next generations replacing previous 4.

Staying corrupted created the "world arriving now. Societal evolution corrupts, ancestries just adapt in space one at a time. Collective souls destroyed honest of relative sole displacements on purpose from within this species itself.

How and why is recorded in laws governing institutional beliefs until extinction happens come hell or high water, pun intended.

the simplicity of humans created a physical eternal hell into fruition by laws commanding each ancestor assume a social role saving humanity fabricated by power of suggesting genetics aren't being eternally separated now.

Pride in defying how living actually evolves is what implodes dictatorships as much as democracies. Why history keeps repeating itself each generation gap protecting reasonable doubt.

Be careful of what you wish for socially, the reality created might just be the eternal hell promised after death the entire time you live adapting to the moment here.

leading or enabling. Stand your time and society will accuse one of hate crimes against humanity as humanity hates the natural process of evolving in plain sight.

Oh the irony here is comical. I told you I have a wicked sense of humor.

Majik » 07 Oct 2023, 1:10 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Oct 2023, 1:10 pm

It's quite the coincidence that every time Netanyahu and the Israeli hradliners finds themselves in a political quagmire or scandal ....Hamas saves the day and attacks thus turning the ire of Israelis from focusing on Netanyahu back onto Palestine .....

Or they take advantage when their guard is down...
 

Cannonpointer » 07 Oct 2023, 1:20 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Oct 2023, 1:20 pm

There is nothing bloodier than matriarchy. Women are the fiercest of our kind.

 

Kobia2 » 07 Oct 2023, 11:22 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Oct 2023, 11:22 pm

           An argument can be made perhaps most of the Palestinians in the West bank are family oriented & peaceful ---  But not so much in Gaza, where the majority of the Palestinian Arabs continue to freely elect & support the Terror Group Hamas, which clearly proves they do not operate as a rogue entity on the fringe... Islamic JIhad has also found a welcome home in Gaza...

           

kind of like democrats in **** cities...

jerrab » 07 Oct 2023, 11:37 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Oct 2023, 11:37 pm

it is not about being jewish or muslim it is about being christian and christians should do the will of God and to help people no matter their religion and not to encourage others to mistreat people of different religions, this was illustrated in the parable of the good samaritan.

Jews go under a different guise...
 

Cannonpointer » 08 Oct 2023, 12:10 am » wrote: ↑

08 Oct 2023, 12:10 am

Yes, but you post on a political board. Most Americans don't. And of the few who do, most have much better taste in boards. This place is a **** **** run by an idiot.

 
 

Cannonpointer » 07 Oct 2023, 1:23 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Oct 2023, 1:23 pm

Why put cause in quotes?

The jews have the right to an ethno-state and the palis don't, for some reason?

What would be that reason?

Well, to be fair, the Palestinians aren't a "people" to have their own ethno-state.
They are outcastes Arabs from Egypt, Syria and Jordon who were thrown out of their countries because they were ungovernable. 

And Gaza and West Bank settlements were fallout from the failed 1948 attack on Israel by those Arab States (mainly Egypt) and became an "occupied territory" Egyptian-Israeli armistice agreement of February 24, 1949.   Gaza was ruled initially by Egypt and would not allow the people there to leave the Gaza area - no access to Egypt.
And then the people of Gaza started the 6 day war, and lost pretty much everything.
The mistake was Israel turning over the ownership of Gaza to the Palestinians in the 1990s. 

9 Americans killed what is plugs gonna do?

Cannonpointer » 08 Oct 2023, 5:00 pm » wrote: ↑

08 Oct 2023, 5:00 pm

You've learned that motivations can be an obscure thing. If I told you that the people on the Sioux Reservation wish us dead, would you care? Probably not - they can't do much.

But let us assume that you know Hamas' TRUE intentions. They want Israel destroyed.

So what?

Why should I care? Why is that my lookout? Why is that a claim on MY funding, MY pocket? Why should MY money be spent on nonAmericans? Doesn't that violate the social contract? Isn't that welfare for another country?

I am already paying for socialized medicine and socialized higher education in israel. Now I gotta defend their **** border while mine is being ignored?

Just one more question: What if we agreed to secure AMERICA'S borders before we give any more welfare to israel - would that be okay?

Then this will make you weep...

https://www.foreignassistance.gov/cd/algeria/

you can select any country and see how much we give / have given them...WTF, Algeria? Albania? Equatorial Guinea? Kazakhstan?